Happy posthumous birthday, Bill Watrous

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Happy posthumous birthday, Bill Watrous

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Born June 8, 1939, William Russell Watrous changed the trombone landscape forever in the 1970s.

For me, he was a dear friend and a gigantic outsized influence on my concept of how a trombone should be played. There was seemingly nothing Billy could not do on a trombone. In addition to his jaw-dropping technique, he brought ballad playing and multiphonics to the fore among trombonists. He could even make his trombone "talk." I watched him "play" the pledge of allegiance and MacArthur's farewell speech through his trombone night after night, and never figured out how he did it (and didn't ask).

I remember the day I met him in 1978. I was doing a freebie gig for Ted Nash and Billy came up to me during a break to introduce himself and ask me to play in the west coast big band he was forming. I recall days sitting in the parking lot of AFM Local 47, in either Bill's Mercedes or my Corvette, listening to music for hours. I'll never forget the days at his house making deep dives into Bach, Mozart and other musicians, including John Philip Sousa, whom Billy loved. Or the time I got a desperate call from Bill in the middle of the night saying that his wife was in some trouble and asking for my help. Or smoking weed behind Donte's jazz club and then going in for the second set and not being able to play two notes in a row (though Bill seemed completely unaffected). That night he had me solo for chorus after chorus, stoned and crashing and burning through the whole thing, to Bill's amusement. That was the last night I ever tried that! And mostly I remember how supportive Bill was when I was going through a traumatic and dramatic change to my life, and how he supported me when I came out of the closet and introduced him to my girlfriend.

Watrous also helped my career, even while struggling with his own (he was not immediately embraced by the L.A. studio scene, and indeed his acerbic manner put off some of the bigger studio contractors resulting in a significant loss of work for him). Still, Bill managed to get me onto a lot of great gigs, beginning with the New Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, which had a live studio band, and then a number of TV, movie and album recording dates. My very last gig before giving up music for 30 years was to play the Tonight Show, where Bill Watrous, Bob McChesney and I backed up the rock band Chicago on trombone. The very next day I quit music and sold all my instruments.

In his prime, Billy was larger than life, with a huge personality to go along with his ubiquitous pageboy haircut and denim jacket. He lived life passionately. As for people he knew, you were either his best friend or his worst enemy; there wasn't a lot of in between with Bill. And he practiced the trombone every day of his life, a silent example for us all.

The last time I saw him was in the summer of 2006 at the Jazz Bakery in L.A., and it made me cry. He could barely play. I'm told that Bill had suffered a recent stroke, but he was still going at it as best he could. But he was an empty shell of his former self. And I don't think he ever fully recovered his abilities, though he continued to play through serious illness until his death in 2018.

To this day I do not believe a better trombone player has ever lived. Bill Watrous was a true trombone genius, and in his prime was an unstoppable force of nature. He had a way of tapping into the flow of the cosmic musical river that eludes us mere mortals. It was truly something to witness. He had a connection to the universe and an intuition that is unavailable to most of us. There was no separation between Bill and the trombone, and together they were a gestalt, the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.

Bill shuffled off this mortal coil on July 2, 2018, but he is not truly gone. He remains with us not only through his many performance recordings and videos, but through an entire generation of trombone players that were changed because of him, and specifically because of a cadenza in a 1975 tune called "Fourth Floor Walkup."

Happy Cosmic Birthday, Bill. I hope you're still out there somewhere along the way.

Everyone has a story of the time they saw Bill Watrous, or met him, or played with him. We'd love to hear yours.
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A great post, Dana. Thank you for sharing.
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As someone who has not listened a ton to Bill Watrous: What would be the most recommended albums to listen to besides the Manhattan Wildlife Refugee?
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tbdana wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:24 am My very last gig before giving up music for 30 years was to play the Tonight Show, where Bill Watrous, Bob McChesney and I backed up the rock band Chicago on trombone. The very next day I quit music and sold all my instruments.

Wow, it seemed like you were heading for great things at that point.
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EriKon wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:58 am As someone who has not listened a ton to Bill Watrous: What would be the most recommended albums to listen to besides the Manhattan Wildlife Refugee?
Combo: Bill Watrous & Carl Fontana (1984) is stellar; the quartet albums and Watrous in Hollywood/'Bone Straight Ahead with Danny Stiles are great too.

Of the big solo productions, A Time For Love is the most classic big band/balladtastic; Someplace Else (with Patrick Williams) is beautiful in an unbelievably L.A. sort of way; the synth strings of Bone-ified haven't aged entirely gracefully but there's some terrific playing on there.

Of the two Manhattan Wildlife Refuge albums, I think Tiger of San Pedro has more lasting interest. I'm sure Fourth Floor Walk-Up was utterly thrilling in the Maynard vein if you were a teenage trombonist in the 70s, but musically it's police procedural underscore interrupted by some flexing... there are various later-in-life interviews on YouTube where he says as much himself.

And, not an album, but possibly the most perfect expression of what he did best:

That's the one you show the non-trombonists.
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ithinknot wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 7:35 am
EriKon wrote: Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:58 am As someone who has not listened a ton to Bill Watrous: What would be the most recommended albums to listen to besides the Manhattan Wildlife Refugee?
Combo: Bill Watrous & Carl Fontana (1984) is stellar; the quartet albums and Watrous in Hollywood/'Bone Straight Ahead with Danny Stiles are great too.

Of the big solo productions, A Time For Love is the most classic big band/balladtastic; Someplace Else (with Patrick Williams) is beautiful in an unbelievably L.A. sort of way; the synth strings of Bone-ified haven't aged entirely gracefully but there's some terrific playing on there.

Of the two Manhattan Wildlife Refuge albums, I think Tiger of San Pedro has more lasting interest. I'm sure Fourth Floor Walk-Up was utterly thrilling in the Maynard vein if you were a teenage trombonist in the 70s, but musically it's police procedural underscore interrupted by some flexing... there are various later-in-life interviews on YouTube where he says as much himself.

And, not an album, but possibly the most perfect expression of what he did best:

That's the one you show the non-trombonists.
Good post. I like his Famous Door Records era too. But I can't stand Danny Stiles, so I'm not a fan of the albums that feature him.

I assume everyone has seen this one?

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The first time I saw Watrous was at a high school music clinic in Upstate NY. I remember his paisley tunic and haircut. This was late 70s. Circular breathing, multiphonics, etc. There was so much of what he did that I wasn't quite ready for, but he made a lasting impression. Other greats that visited our area through this series were Clark Terry and Doc Severinsen. School music makes things like this happen. It's a lifelong memory.
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Hi all .

Bill Watrous IS still one of the best trbn player ever existed . From a technical point of wiew , maybe THE best ever , in my opinion .

Anyway , the thing that always drive me crazy is his tone quality ... I spent hours listening him playing just the head of "Quiet Lady" , on his second LP with the MWR big band ( "The Tiger of San Pedro").
His tone , as well as J. J. Johnson' and Jack Jenney' tone , are my absolute favorites .

I was lucky enough to have been able to play with him a couple of times , here in Italy , with a ten- trombones (plus rhythm section ) ensemble , in Rome , at the 2001 "Villa Celimontana" Jazz Festival.
I remember him as a very nice person .

I have a funny story from those concerts : when we was in the backstage , after the soundcheck , there was a lot of musicians (mostly trombone players ...) that were asking him various questions .
A guy asked him in which position he preferred to play the double high C ...
So Mr. Watrous said something like 《 Ah , well , I can play it like this :》 , and he reached the slide' 6th position , and , from the nowhere , he played a fantastic double high C ; then he moved to a b4- ish position , and again a double high C ; then on the 3rd position ; then on 1st ...
He played four double high C , all so perfect , smooth , resonant , centered , full , etc . And then he added something like 《 You know , it depends...》 . I was really impressed by that !

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I think his playing is alright. I wish he used more slide vibrato though. I think Christopher Bill has some more modern ideas that sound a lot better and more original. Imagine if John Alessi had been playing those high note solos instead, I bet it would’ve been even better!
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Joe Alessi playing Bill Watrous is going to sound like a German speaking French
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One year in college our Jazz Band performed at a weekend clinic at Towson State College. Watrous was the featured artist and we backed him up on a couple of charts for the concluding concert. While rehearsing Forth Floor Walk-Up we got to his cadenza and he landed on the high Eb (I think) at the end and then began to circular breath on it. Our section sat there with our mouths open and we all completely missed our next entrance. Watrous stopped the band, turned around and said "Ah bones, you're supposed to come in there". Good times.
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Bill Watrous -Samantha
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That version of Samantha is just wonderful.
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Sergey wrote: Mon Jul 28, 2025 2:42 am Bill Watrous -Samantha
That's from a live video disk recording we did at Concerts By The Sea in, I think, 1983.
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Oh!!!
You played that concert in that Band .
Sound so good.
I still trying to find original score of this Samantha , but unsuccessfully ,think Sammy Nestico did that arr. specifically for Bill Watrous.
I did transcription of this record but of course it is not sound like on the video.
Bill Watrous did that excellent!
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