Tenor leadpipe in a bass?

Amconk · Post by **Amconk** » Mon May 18, 2020 9:15 pm

I’m bored. And when I’m bored, my brain starts doing funny things. If you have a bass trombone that takes screw in leadpipes, could you try .547 leadpipes in it? What would it hurt, other than fitting a tiny bit looser? Some heavy tuning slide grease would make up the difference in bore. Just an odd thought. Anyone ever try that?

Burgerbob · Post by **Burgerbob** » Mon May 18, 2020 9:18 pm

I'll just go ahead and say... no.

braymond21 · Post by **braymond21** » Mon May 18, 2020 9:38 pm

You could do it, but it doesn't work very well. I tried it once for fun and it was a loose fit but technically, it played. Wasn't very easy to play especially in the low register.

Amconk · Post by **Amconk** » Mon May 18, 2020 10:00 pm

Yeah. I pulled mine out and tried it. Felt weird. Horn didn’t want to speak well. But hey, you never know until you try!

bassbone721 · Post by **bassbone721** » Mon May 18, 2020 10:16 pm

Just tried a Shires .547 1 and 3 leadpipe and they don't play like a bass pipe would in a bass, but they still function and all the ranges speak but its much tighter then what I'm used to. (I use a B3/ B3SS)

Post by **Matt K** » Tue May 19, 2020 12:02 pm

If you want a real trip, put a 508 or smaller pipe in a 562 slide!

dukesboneman · Post by **dukesboneman** » Tue May 19, 2020 12:13 pm

Not a leadpipe , but years ago I put a Bach 7 with a Bass shank in my 72H - SCREAMER !! the upper range was sick and powerful

tbonesullivan · Post by **tbonesullivan** » Tue May 19, 2020 1:02 pm

The whole idea of a leadpipe is a smooth transition from the mouthpiece bore to the main bore of the instrument, so one that is not properly sized will have a big "step" at the end. Not really sure there is any benefit. It won't make the horn play like a .547 bore horn.

Kdanielsen · Post by **Kdanielsen** » Tue May 19, 2020 6:48 pm

I have always wondered if there are leadpipes made specifically for playing a large tenor with a 562 slide. I know people do it. Do they just use a bass leadpipe?

Burgerbob · Post by **Burgerbob** » Tue May 19, 2020 7:41 pm

Kdanielsen wrote: Tue May 19, 2020 6:48 pm I have always wondered if there are leadpipes made specifically for playing a large tenor with a 562 slide. I know people do it. Do they just use a bass leadpipe?

the Bach 50 leadpipe is not especially large or open (maybe like a Shires 1.5 ish, but obviously different), so the Bach horns using the LT50 slide just use that. Some of them have amazing high registers.

PhilE · Post by **PhilE** » Tue May 19, 2020 10:23 pm

I put a Brasslab Hartz MV42 hvy wt leadpipe in my 50 slide and it worked fine.
Sounded and felt good.
I expanded the end so that it was a firm fit in slide tube.
It won't work very well if you don't do that.

Tbarh · Post by **Tbarh** » Wed May 20, 2020 3:19 pm

The Kanstul /Hornguys GR2 and Herrick C pipes are tighter with a smaller venturi and would be Great if You want a more tenory sound out of a bass slide.. I tried a Remington pipe in a 562 slide. Did not work well but i suspect that is mainly because of the gap at the end of the leadpipe being bigger into the slide..

BurckhardtS · Post by **BurckhardtS** » Wed May 20, 2020 3:47 pm

You ever tried putting a tuba mouthpiece in a trombone? That is a fun experiment.

Post by **BGuttman** » Wed May 20, 2020 5:31 pm

BurckhardtS wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 3:47 pm You ever tried putting a tuba mouthpiece in a trombone? That is a fun experiment.

I did in an attempt to sound like a Cimbasso for a Verdi opera overture (Nabucco). My pitch above the bass staff was incredibly flat, but the sound was more tuba-like without actually playing a tuba.

whitbey · Post by **whitbey** » Fri May 22, 2020 11:47 am

I have done that. Years ago when I had fewer toys my tenor slide got hurt and I needed to use my bass slide on my 547. It worked ok. Better then not playing.

An oddity. My small bore has a valve on it that is the Edwards 547 size.
So I can put my 500/508 slide on my 547 horn and my 562 bass.
The bass is silly
The 500/508 slide on the 547 horn plays like (but better) then some of the German horns I have tried that are small bore with the big bell. I don't like it, but it works.

My guess is that things that are odd work.....almost.

LeoInFL · Post by **LeoInFL** » Wed May 27, 2020 9:33 pm

I came across this video of Gerry Pagano discussing his Edwards 'small bass' in which he uses a 0.547" leadpipe in his single bore 0.562" slide. It seems to work for him just fine. He mentions it about 30sec into the video.

Gatt · Post by **Gatt** » Wed May 27, 2020 10:18 pm

LeoInFL wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 9:33 pm I came across this video of Gerry Pagano discussing his Edwards 'small bass' in which he uses a 0.547" leadpipe in his single bore 0.562" slide. It seems to work for him just fine. He mentions it about 30sec into the video.

Hi.

I have a dual bore Edwards bass slide.

Will an Edwards .547" tenor leadpipe screw in?

Are the Edwards bass and tenor leadpipe threads the same?

Thanks,
Steve.

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