Jupiter XO 1236-O trombone

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Jupiter XO 1236-O trombone

Post by GroovesMcFly » Mon May 13, 2019 2:06 pm

My son is in high school and is a pretty good player. We're looking for a .547 inch large bore trombone with an F attachment. We found a used Jupiter XO 1236-O trombone for sale for $1600. Just curious what you all thought of this trombone? He played it yesterday and it sounded really nice. Was in great condition with a really nice case, and had been recently serviced.

Good trombone?

What do you think of the price?
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Post by Mikebmiller » Mon May 13, 2019 2:26 pm

A new one is $2,900 at WWBW, so if it is in good shape, that seems like a good price. Boston Brass plays Jupiter and I'm guessing they wouldn't play bad horns, even if someone paid them to.
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Post by braymond21 » Mon May 13, 2019 3:18 pm

I played on an XO bass trombone and it was very nice. If it's in good condition then it would be great for a high school student and should last them a while.
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Post by MalecHeermans » Mon May 13, 2019 6:20 pm

That seems like a good deal if the horn is in good condition.
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Post by MahlerMusic » Tue May 14, 2019 7:30 am

Your son will love it. The horn looks very sexy and that is a big deal for most kids. The wrap is different from most and will stand out in a sea of open wraps. And good job sticking with the yellow brass bell as the sound will be more consistent which is less frustrating at a younger age until he figures out the sound he wants. The only downside I see is that the rotary valve looks small but I have never blown that horn.

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Post by mfellows821 » Wed May 15, 2019 12:06 pm

I will take the opposite side- Jupiter is a discount brand made in China and for the same money you can find a Nice Bach, Conn, Yamaha or Getzen. Boston Brass may be playing Jupiter but it is a good guess that they are getting paid to do so and have factory service backup to help if they have issues. When major orchestra players start playing jupiter, then it might be time to consider them. Quality of Chinese instruments has improved dramatically in the last few years but they have not reached the level of the American manufacturers on pro level horns. I would expect to pay much less than the $1600 for that used horn
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Re: Jupiter XO 1236-O trombone

Post by GroovesMcFly » Wed May 15, 2019 12:14 pm

Is Taiwan better than China? This one is stamped TAIWAN.
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Post by BGuttman » Wed May 15, 2019 12:20 pm

Taiwan is the remnants of China before the Communist takeover. Jupiter was providing instruments to the US long before the Chinese Invasion (Jin Bao and friends). Jupiter, and particularly the XO line, are competent instruments. The XO is considered on a par with other imported premium instruments (like Courtois).

Non XO Jupiters were on a par with makers like Weril and the various makers in Neumarkirchen.
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Re: Jupiter XO 1236-O trombone

Post by cozzagiorgi » Wed May 15, 2019 12:31 pm

BGuttman wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:20 pm
The XO is considered on a par with other imported premium instruments (like Courtois).
Considered by whom? I consider Courtois as a premium brand like maybe edwards and Getzen. Better than Bach and certainly on par with the best Yamahas.

Whereas I consider Jupiter of lower quality. They try to get into the premium market with the XO line, but it didn't happen yet.

I would not buy a Jupiter for one simple reason: no resale value.
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Post by mfellows821 » Wed May 15, 2019 12:34 pm

I would take a Courtois every day over a Jupiter and there are major symphony players playing Courtois in Europe.
I have played pretty much every brand and while Jupiter (even XO) gets a nod over many of the least expensive Chinese horns, I did not feel it played on an even field with the major american brands. Competent is for intermediate horns. Pro horns should be excellent. For $1600 you can get an excellent used Pro level horn
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Post by GroovesMcFly » Wed May 15, 2019 1:56 pm

Thanks for all the advice! We're going to keep looking at options before we buy the XO.

So it sounds like the brands to look for are King, Conn, Getzen, and Yamaha? Bach too?
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Post by cozzagiorgi » Wed May 15, 2019 2:10 pm

More or less yes.

More precise:
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Conn 88H
Getzen... dont know
Yamaha if it begins with a 6 or an 8 its probably good
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Post by DougHulme » Wed May 15, 2019 2:55 pm

I dont own a Jupiter, I have no connection to Jupiter I have however at several shows, over several years, played several of their instruments for long periods of time. Their construction and craftmanship is second to none. They blow beautifully. Taiwan is a world removed from China, they entered the rest of the world 50 years before China did. They have been trading horns in the States at least since 1995 to my knowledge. It is true their very first offerings (whenever that was) to the market were of a medium standard but they learned fast and their XO range is second to no one. Play an instrument and choose it but not by its make, but how it plays. I feel Jupiter are suffering because of the Taiwanese/Chinese/Early reputation; they deserve to be and are a comparable instrument to all the makes mentioned previously as alternatives. If they had Conn or King or Bach stamped on them they would get a better reception. They play really well and are built well. They have a good dealership and great distribution in the States, I think Boston Brass have standard instruments. Jon Fedchok isnt exactly a slouch in the jass world either, there are quality players playing these instruments. I would recommend them highly.
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Re: Jupiter XO 1236-O trombone

Post by PaulT » Wed May 15, 2019 3:36 pm

There are less expensive Yamaha trombones but there are no cheap Yamaha trombones. Pick a series... 3, 4, 5, 6, or 8... the price will vary, the quality of workmanship won't. The 354 is a dandy horn, one no pro would ever disdain. The 400 series lacks some nickle trim, but the horn is a solid horn (the 446 F model has a string trigger rather than mechanical, but I don't know if that is much of an issue. Mechanical is generally preferred, but string certainly works and works well.)
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Post by ssking2b » Fri May 17, 2019 6:13 am

XO horns are some of the finest I have ever played. And who am I and why would my opinion be valuable? Go check out my website at www.pjonestrombone.com and YOU decide if I might have a clue!
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Post by ssking2b » Fri May 17, 2019 6:25 am

mfellows821 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:06 pm
I will take the opposite side- Jupiter is a discount brand made in China and for the same money you can find a Nice Bach, Conn, Yamaha or Getzen. "

The XO line is comparable to ANY Bach, Conn, or Getzen. I'd think if you did your research and tested these horns you would have a different opinion. Try the XO models. They are the pro versions in Jupiter's lines. And BTW they are made in Taiwan not China. In Taiwan, craftsmanship is highly valued, unlike China, who mostly grinds out poor knock offs (there are exceptions).

If you think about it, there was a time not too long ago when. Greenhoe, Shires (now owned by a Chinese company) and Rath were considered 2nd rate upstarts, too.
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Post by Specialk3700 » Fri May 17, 2019 6:50 am

mfellows821 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:34 pm
I would take a Courtois every day over a Jupiter and there are major symphony players playing Courtois in Europe.
I have played pretty much every brand and while Jupiter (even XO) gets a nod over many of the least expensive Chinese horns, I did not feel it played on an even field with the major american brands. Competent is for intermediate horns. Pro horns should be excellent. For $1600 you can get an excellent used Pro level horn
When was the last time you've played a XO horn? I played a few at the midwest clinic and wow, I was very impressed.
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Post by Matt K » Fri May 17, 2019 8:12 am

Shires started out by selling custom bell sections for existing slides and had a wait list of over a year, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they were ever considered a 2nd rate startup. Greenhoe had a similar initial business model modifying horns and likewise I don't think it's quite accurate to claim anyone thought of them as 2nd rate ever. I can't speak to Rath as much because they didn't penetrate the US market in quite the same way so it wasn't as much that Rath was considered bad but that they hadn't been heard of by many players.

It would be much more reasonable to compare them to early Yamaha where they sold cheap horns and eventually decided to focus on quality. And while they do seem to play well, they have some interesting design choices and their longevity is not necessarily on par with Yamaha. I've known several people with Jupiters who had their valve sections totally corrode within the last few years. Part of that may well have been lack of maintenance on their part but I've never heard about that happening to a 2-3 year old Yamaha. The design choices I'm referring to are the sharing of parts between basses and tenors as Bach did... except it's the valves. In particular, most (all?) of their basses and tenors, or at least the thayers, are .571". Or at least that was the case as of a few years ago, per Benn Hanson's observation with working with them. That isn't bad, indeed, that works really well for some people on both sides but it is different enough that it would be easy enough for me to understand why one might not buy one blind or why it might not be one's particular cup of tea.
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Post by mfellows821 » Fri May 17, 2019 11:36 am

I did not mean to offend anyone who chooses to play a Jupiter trombone. If a horn works for you and you like it, that is the horn you should play and thankfully we have lots of tromobnes to choose from. At this time, Jupiter is not a common choice by top players although they are obviously making an effort to get to that point. I last played an XO about two years ago and it was did not grab my attention. At this time, Jupiter has not convinced very many trombone players that it is the best choice. In my circle in the Northwest, I cannot think of one player that has chosen Jupiter as a main horn. We have Bachs, Conns, Yamahas, Kings, Getzens, Holtons, Greenhoes, Raths, Edwards, and Shires.
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Re: Jupiter XO 1236-O trombone

Post by Tooloud » Sun May 19, 2019 5:42 am

XO vs Jupiter is like Lexus vs Toyota, VW vs Bentley and so on. You can't judge one from the other.

This narrow-minded view that american made instruments are the only ones acceptable is very much from yesteryear. These days are gone - to judge from american made instruments (most of them Bach) I tried over the years. Poor craftsmanship in too many cases, very inconsistent at best. I personally know two B 454 sitting here in a showroom for years for good reasons...

But as you say: In some "circles" the opinion is based on a narrow, self defined horizon about what you "have to play" if you want to be taken seriously.
It's like with french horns in Europe, mostly Germany: You don't get an invitation to an audition if you just don't play an Alexander Mod. 103. No reasons. Just fact.

Modern industrial manufacturing can produce a high quality level wherever the factory may be built. Yamahas come from China today and no one complains Yamaha's quality. It's just a matter of quality control. And that is a matter of cost. So you get what you pay for - wherever the item in question may come from.

Back to topic: XO is not cheap, roughly double of what a 'Jupiter' costs. Taiwan is not a third-world country. Those people know what they are doing. I don't know the XO 1236, but to shy away because of the brand is ... well, guess..
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