Wonderful, unique trombone sound of this young woman from Spain

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Wonderful, unique trombone sound of this young woman from Spain

Post by TillE » Sat May 04, 2019 5:32 pm

Her singing recalling Astrud Gilberto and others has however, an enchantment of it's own

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Post by norbie2018 » Sat May 04, 2019 5:53 pm

I was considering posting this link but you beat me to it. It is beautiful and unique.
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Post by Slideorama » Sat May 04, 2019 6:51 pm

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Post by SaigonSlide » Sat May 04, 2019 7:35 pm

She’s Brazilian, and played a lot with Joan Chamorro. YouTube has a lot of videos.
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Re: Wonderful, unique trombone sound of this young woman from Spain

Post by Doug Elliott » Sat May 04, 2019 11:22 pm

She's actually from Barcelona. I met her at the ITF in Valencia. A very natural player and wonderful musician.

Anybody else notice something odd? Unless the pitch was changed on the video, her trombone is in B. Being in Spain it would not have surprised me too much if it was in C... But no, 1st position is playing B and F#.
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Re: Wonderful, unique trombone sound of this young woman from Spain

Post by Posaunus » Sat May 04, 2019 11:54 pm

Rita Payés: http://itfvalencia2015.com/rita-payes/
Now almost 20 years old. Sings in Catalan, Portuguese, and English.
Another in Joan Chamorro's string of jazz prodigies. Her first recording with him - age 14!
(See Andrea Motis - trumpet & vocals).

I have never seen a trombone like Rita's - or her sometimes unconventional grip. (Look carefully.)

Congratulations to Doug Elliott for noting the unusual tuning of this trombone (if it's real).

Very nice, listenable singing and playing. Lots of YouTube recordings. We'll hear more from her. :good:
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Post by BGuttman » Sun May 05, 2019 6:24 am

In Latin countries it's not uncommon to have trombones in C (although usually valve trombones). It's possible she pulled the tuning slide out some to get to B in order to mate better with the guitar. But it's also possible that the clip is not true pitch.

Very nice playing in any case and a lovely singing voice.
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Post by Pre59 » Sun May 05, 2019 4:20 pm

It looks likes she's playing in the key of A, but it's sounding in Bb. Maybe it was altered post production somehow, It's also a Kuhnl and Hoyer tbn.
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Post by Pre59 » Sun May 05, 2019 4:39 pm

Here's another nice video, she's playing a Bb horn, the song is in F. She's a very talented musicial young lady.
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Post by pfrancis » Mon May 06, 2019 5:20 pm



Pitch is certainly altered again here. Trumpet player starts the tune with a sounding G with 2&3 valves down...

In any case she sounds great. Particularly when singing.
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Post by Posaunus » Mon May 06, 2019 5:32 pm

pfrancis wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 5:20 pm
Pitch is certainly altered again here. Trumpet player starts the tune with a sounding G with 2&3 valves down...
Wonder why they'd alter the pitch?
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Post by harrisonreed » Mon May 06, 2019 10:18 pm

To beat an algorithm?
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Post by Burgerbob » Mon May 06, 2019 11:32 pm

harrisonreed wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 10:18 pm
To beat an algorithm?
what algorithm? You might be right, but the videos are posted by what looks like her official account.

Really strange.
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Post by Pre59 » Tue May 07, 2019 2:45 am

I think it's to do with the differences that audio is sampled at in video formats, as opposed to stand alone audio. Normal video being at 48kHz and audio at 44.1 88.2 and 96kHz. In this instance I suspect that a box wasn't checked to align the 2 sample rates which will change the audio. This can be done either when the video is rendered or when uploaded to YouTube.
It's a good idea check that the audio format on the video camera is set to 44.1kHz to avoid these issue from the off. Also, it used to be true that the conversion from 48 to 44kHz resulted in a slight loss of quality, I don't know if that's still the case today.

Then there's mp3 formats which may have some bearing as well...
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Re: Wonderful, unique trombone sound of this young woman from Spain

Post by VJOFan » Fri May 17, 2019 4:28 pm

Thank you very much for the track in the OP. That was so worth a listen!
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Post by VJOFan » Mon May 20, 2019 2:11 pm

This young musician, who sounds so “natural”, is a product of music education at its finest. I have been doing a lot of listening the last couple days and exploring what was really going on. Ms. Payes is one of a bunch of incredible sounding young players and vocalists.

This article gives a little insight about what’s happening in Spain and how it is affecting things in Vail.

https://www.vaildaily.com/entertainment ... listening/
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Post by Pre59 » Mon May 20, 2019 4:52 pm

Pre59 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 2:45 am
I think it's to do with the differences that audio is sampled at in video formats, as opposed to stand alone audio. Normal video being at 48kHz and audio at 44.1 88.2 and 96kHz. In this instance I suspect that a box wasn't checked to align the 2 sample rates which will change the audio. This can be done either when the video is rendered or when uploaded to YouTube.
It's a good idea check that the audio format on the video camera is set to 44.1kHz to avoid these issue from the off. Also, it used to be true that the conversion from 48 to 44kHz resulted in a slight loss of quality, I don't know if that's still the case today.

Then there's mp3 formats which may have some bearing as well...
Here's a post from a recording forum, and this topic was once quite common..

"I recently recorded vocals on a song clocked at 44.1 but was supposed to be at 48k. In the studio, while recording the vocals, the song was playing back slower (makes sense because it wasn't clocking correctly) and we liked it! So we finished tracking vocals to the incorrect sample rate on purpose.

My problem is, tuning the vocals. Because of the pitch shift which occurs when changing sample rates like that, the song is now between keys."
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Re: Wonderful, unique trombone sound of this young woman from Spain

Post by Pre59 » Wed May 22, 2019 3:53 am

This piece deserves a topic of its' own?
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Re: Wonderful, unique trombone sound of this young woman from Spain

Post by Gary » Wed May 22, 2019 10:31 am

I enjoyed the links and really applaud the nurturing.

But I would like to know, what is so "unique" about her sound? Thanks.
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Post by VJOFan » Fri May 24, 2019 8:15 am

Gary wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 10:31 am
I enjoyed the links and really applaud the nurturing.

But I would like to know, what is so "unique" about her sound? Thanks.
I mean every sound is unique but that isn't what strikes me about Rita and many of the others in the program.

When I listen to her I really want to hear to the end of her solo. I don't get that feeling all the time with all players.

These kids don't sound like they are running changes or playing patterns, at least not consciously.

In those Abersold books it does talk about the difference between memorizing and internalizing. I would guess that through the aural approach these players have internalized a lot of stuff. When they play, it comes out as personal expression.

I don't know that I could pick out Rita's sound in a blinfold test like I could J.J. or Watrous or Curtis Fuller or Manglesdorf or Wycliffe Gordon etc. but there is definitely something captivating about how she plays.
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Post by bsantero » Fri May 24, 2019 1:36 pm

I was quite struck when this video was randomly suggested to me on YouTube; finally, the algorithm got it right for me. She sounds fantastic, and what a musical soul she has! Very excited to hear more from her.
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Post by Pre59 » Sat May 25, 2019 2:19 am

VJOFan wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 8:15 am

I don't know that I could pick out Rita's sound in a blinfold test like I could J.J. or Watrous or Curtis Fuller or Manglesdorf or Wycliffe Gordon etc. but there is definitely something captivating about how she plays.
Is she putting the music above the "business" of music? By that I mean, her jazz is at the core and not part of a menu that includes it. She's playing as though she was singing, and that I certainly something that I recognise from my early lessons when asked, "where's the music?"
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Re: Wonderful, unique trombone sound of this young woman from Spain

Post by Gatt » Sat May 25, 2019 3:29 am

TillE wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 5:32 pm
Her singing recalling Astrud Gilberto and others has however, an enchantment of it's own

I didn't know till last week that these two are mother and daughter.

They have just released an album together.
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