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Post by TillE » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:52 am

Still, the Slide o Mix swab thingy looks a good idea, maybe better than my trusty rod and cotton muslin.

Wish I knew of a big sheet of microfiber to cut up like the cotton. Any ideas?
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Post by hyperbolica » Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:14 pm

Go to the fabric store.
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Post by FeelMyRath » Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:27 pm

I have a S-O-M sheath and it works rather well. It also goes in the washing machine so will last some considerable time, making it not so expensive in real terms.
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Post by norbie2018 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:53 pm

Not certain where you're from, but Dillon Music sells the sheath alone for about $14 plus shipping. Bundle it with other supplies you need equaling at least $35 and it's free shipping.
https://www.dillonmusic.com/slide-o-mix ... heath.html
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Post by greenbean » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:34 pm

You can use the sheath with ANY cleaning rod. Throw it in the laundry every Saturday. Bingo.
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Post by mrdeacon » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:40 pm

norbie2018 wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:53 pm
Not certain where you're from, but Dillon Music sells the sheath alone for about $14 plus shipping. Bundle it with other supplies you need equaling at least $35 and it's free shipping.
https://www.dillonmusic.com/slide-o-mix ... heath.html
Yep. I just bought the sheath by its self from Dillons last week.

It makes life super stupid easy and is totally worth the $14.

Like greenbean mentioned works with any cleaning rod.
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Post by TillE » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:58 pm

Good to know. Thanks guys.
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Post by mrdeacon » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:03 pm

TillE wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:58 pm
Good to know. Thanks guys.
Just a heads up... The red small bore one is not a universal fit for all inners.

Seems to work in almost every small bore outer I've tried.

But some inners if they have a fixed pipe or if they have a smaller tennon on the lower tube it won't fit the red cloth, you'll have to stick with cheese cloth for that part of cleaning.
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Post by jthomas105 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:07 am

You can a similar product from; slidebone.com
He calls them "Easy Clean Sheaths"

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Post by Pre59 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:55 pm

mrdeacon wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:03 pm

Just a heads up... The red small bore one is not a universal fit for all inners.

Seems to work in almost every small bore outer I've tried.

I wouldn't use one one on the inside of the inner slide for fear of damaging the lead pipe.
I use the blue one on the inner of the outer slide to get a really tight fit, and have trimmed the top end off to stop the fabric bunching, and have put a couple of wraps of duct tape on the bottom end of the rod to ensure a really snug fit.
Have been doing this for years with no problems.
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Post by mrdeacon » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:21 pm

Pre59 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:55 pm
mrdeacon wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:03 pm

Just a heads up... The red small bore one is not a universal fit for all inners.

Seems to work in almost every small bore outer I've tried.

I wouldn't use one one on the inside of the inner slide for fear of damaging the lead pipe.
I use the blue one on the inner of the outer slide to get a really tight fit, and have trimmed the top end off to stop the fabric bunching, and have put a couple of wraps of duct tape on the bottom end of the rod to ensure a really snug fit.
Have been doing this for years with no problems.
I like removable leadpipes not just because it's fun to swap pipes but also because it makes cleaning easier. Never had a issue with removing the pipe before cleaning.
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Post by Pre59 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:06 am

mrdeacon wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:21 pm

Never had a issue with removing the pipe before cleaning.
I was assuming a fixed lead pipe..
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Post by AndrewMeronek » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:12 pm

I have a set of the SoM cleaning sheaths but I'm actually not too impressed. They don't seem to do a great job of cleaning the outer slide down by the crook, which is of course where it's most important to be super-clean due to how that's where the wider part of the inner tubes falls in 1st-2nd positions. I prefer a standard cleaning rod with cheesecloth - not the full length of the rod, but a strip maybe 3" long. I want the cloth to bunch up so it gives a good, solid contact surface the entire length of the tube.
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Post by greenbean » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:23 pm

I never swab inners. I snake them out with a brush. And it it looks clean, it is clean!
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Post by Posaunus » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:00 pm

greenbean wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:23 pm
I never swab inners. I snake them out with a brush. And it it looks clean, it is clean!
I'm a contrarian. (And sort of anal-compulsive!) I always swab both outer and inner slides until they are completely dry, and the inners are mirror-shiny. My protocol:

• Completely dry the outer surfaces of the inner slides, removing all lubricant until shiny.

• Run an appropriate-size ("Trombone" for tenor trombones, "Tuba" for bass trombone) HWP Brass-Saver (soft pull-through brush with an 80"-long plastic lead ribbon; $12.95 at Osmun) through both inners and all the way through outer.

• Swab outer slide with cleaning rod wrapped in long bedsheet strips or (better yet) appropriate-size Slide-O-Mix towel sheath (red for small- and medium-bore tenors, blue for large-bore tenors or bass; $13.50 at Dillon's).

• CAREFULLY swab inner slides as above. Avoid disturbing or dislodging lead pipe by swabbing upper slide only from the distal end, pushing swab almost to (but not touching) the end of the lead pipe. To avoid twisting the slide, firmly grasp the slide you are swabbing, not the hand brace.

• Swab bell section with HWP Brass-Saver. (It will smoothly pass all the way through until it emerges from the bell flare.)

• Wipe all surfaces of slide and bell with a clean micro-fiber cloth.

• When the trombone is dry and shiny, lovingly return it to its case. My trombones all look and play like new.
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Post by harrisonreed » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:51 pm

AndrewMeronek wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:12 pm
I have a set of the SoM cleaning sheaths but I'm actually not too impressed. They don't seem to do a great job of cleaning the outer slide down by the crook, which is of course where it's most important to be super-clean due to how that's where the wider part of the inner tubes falls in 1st-2nd positions. I prefer a standard cleaning rod with cheesecloth - not the full length of the rod, but a strip maybe 3" long. I want the cloth to bunch up so it gives a good, solid contact surface the entire length of the tube.
Looks like you could put some cheesecloth or gauze, about 5 inches or so, through the eyelet on your cleaning rod, and then put the SOM cloth on the rod over that, so it is a more snug fit at the bottom. You could even ram some cotton balls down the SOM sleeve to make it more snug towards the crook. That probably would do the trick.
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Post by Pre59 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:25 pm

I put a couple of turns of duct tape around the bottom of the rod to ensure a snug fit. Very happy with this product, it just takes a little while to adapt it to your slide.
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Post by dxhall » Mon May 13, 2019 6:14 am

Thought I’d try the sheaths from Slidebone. It’s been two weeks since I ordered, and no sheaths. Guess I should have stuck with cheesecloth and saved the money.
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Post by mrdeacon » Mon May 13, 2019 1:31 pm

dxhall wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 6:14 am
Thought I’d try the sheaths from Slidebone. It’s been two weeks since I ordered, and no sheaths. Guess I should have stuck with cheesecloth and saved the money.
Yeah... Horn Guys, Dillons and a number of other reputable dealers sell them and ship next day. Make sure to do research before purchasing from retailers. There's a number of threads on trombonechat and the old forums about Slidebone.

For what it's worth... you will get your product eventually, it just might be a very long time. Took me over 6 months to get a leadpipe from them once. Best of luck getting a refund.
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Post by Posaunus » Mon May 13, 2019 9:27 pm

mrdeacon wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 1:31 pm
Make sure to do research before purchasing from retailers. There's a number of threads on trombonechat and the old forums about Slidebone.
So should this be considered a TC caveat emptor about Slidebone? :idk:

As for me, I've moved on from cheesecloth, and instead employ long strips of cotton bedsheet (more absorbent than cheesecloth) or the even-more-convenient Slide-O-Mix towel sheath on a Yamaha cleaning rod. O.K. even for inner slide if you carefully avoid the lead pipe.
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Post by greenbean » Mon May 13, 2019 10:58 pm

Posaunus wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 9:27 pm
So should this be considered a TC caveat emptor about Slidebone? :idk:
Big time.
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Post by MalecHeermans » Thu May 16, 2019 12:07 pm

I think they're worth every penny. Super convenient (no wrangling old gig shirt pieces around a conventional rod, then letting it collect dust bunnies), easily washable, great cleaning power (I'll just go ahead and disagree about any issues reaching the bottom of the slide - mine goes easily past where the inners stop), AND it comes with a nice little brush attachment to clean the inners with.

Having the rod completely covered and with a little bumper on the end to (almost) completely relieve you of any worry of scratching the inside of the outers is super smart and and idea that, in my opinion, was long overdue.

I've been using mine every two weeks for a couple of years now and they don't show much sign of wear. I use both the red and blue sheaths on the corresponding size slides.
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Post by dxhall » Fri May 17, 2019 5:55 am

Well, going on three weeks and no sheaths and no response to my email. If you’re thinking about doing business with the Slidebone place — don’t. I guess I’m meant to be a cheesecloth guy.
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Post by Specialk3700 » Fri May 17, 2019 6:53 am

dxhall wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 5:55 am
Well, going on three weeks and no sheaths and no response to my email. If you’re thinking about doing business with the Slidebone place — don’t. I guess I’m meant to be a cheesecloth guy.
If you purchased with a credit card you could look into doing a charge back.
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Post by dxhall » Fri May 17, 2019 5:06 pm

Called Slidebone. He’s been out on a show and had no one to cover his store. Says he shipped yesterday, but I don’t believe him. Don’t even THINK of dealing with this guy.
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Post by SwissTbone » Sat May 18, 2019 11:42 am

Done business with him several times and always got a great service. Even with me being in switzerland. So please stop the bashing. We did that already on ttf and nothing more is needed.
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Post by Specialk3700 » Sat May 18, 2019 12:05 pm

cozzagiorgi wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 11:42 am
Done business with him several times and always got a great service. Even with me being in switzerland. So please stop the bashing. We did that already on ttf and nothing more is needed.
I'm happy that you have had good experiences with slidebone but, a quick Google search of "slidebone" reveals that time after time he has given poor service and at best has questionable ethics.
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Post by dxhall » Wed May 22, 2019 7:28 pm

Well, here’s the weekly update.

In our last episode, viewers learned that I placed the order on April 29.

Mr. Slidebone told me that he sent the sheaths on Thursday, May 16. He gave me a tracking number.

The USPS tracking site shows that he completed a label, but as of today has not taken the package to the post office. It would seem that he told me an untruth.

Will the sheaths ever arrive? Will Daenerys ever regain the Iron Throne? Tune in next week.
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Post by mrdeacon » Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm

dxhall wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 7:28 pm
Well, here’s the weekly update.

In our last episode, viewers learned that I placed the order on April 29.

Mr. Slidebone told me that he sent the sheaths on Thursday, May 16. He gave me a tracking number.

The USPS tracking site shows that he completed a label, but as of today has not taken the package to the post office. It would seem that he told me an untruth.

Will the sheaths ever arrive? Will Daenerys ever regain the Iron Throne? Tune in next week.
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Post by greenbean » Wed May 22, 2019 10:01 pm

Well... I often print USPS labels and drop packages off on the counter (without handing it to an employee). This means they put in the "out" bin and it goes out on the next truck. These packages generally don't get scanned until they land in the next major distribution center, often on the other side of the country. This can take several days and it can be disconcerting, but it doesn't usually bother me greatly since USPS has never lost a package of mine. But......... it doesn't usually take 6 days. Smart money says he lied. But only time will tell...
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Post by dxhall » Tue May 28, 2019 5:37 pm

Here’s the weekly update.

No Iron Throne for Daenerys, but it’s sheaths for me. They arrived today, May 28. Alert viewers recall that I ordered them on April 29. Mr. Slidebone got them to the post office on May 25, after telling me that he shipped them on May 16.

The takeaway? The community of people who play and deal in brass instruments is pretty small. We should do business with those in the community who provide good service and keep their word. As to those who don’t — well, I won't be a repeat customer.
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Post by Burgerbob » Tue May 28, 2019 5:50 pm

I got one of these at IWBC, the small bore one. I used it on all my horns when I got home. Wow! Really got some gunk out of all my outers. And biggest plus, it is long enough to get to the end of my contra slide. That last inch or so had never been cleaned.
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Post by walldaja » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:20 am

Thanks for the head's up about Dillon's. On order!
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Post by ChadA » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:51 am

I have both the SOM version and the ones from Slidebone. The Slidebone version seems a little thinner than the SOM equivalent and wore through from use. The SOM version seems to be higher quality.

I prefer either to the cheese cloth/rod for thoroughly cleaning the outers. They don't do anything for the crook. If your slide is really gunky, you might just be pushing crud into the crook.
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Post by CalgaryTbone » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:23 am

If you use the SOM version with the rod that they provide, they also include a brush that connects to the end of the slide to get into the crook. My only complaint has been that the red version for small bore horns doesn't seem to fit as tightly in my small/medium bore horns, and therefore doesn't do quite as good a job of cleaning out the inner slides on them. The blue one does a great job on the .547 horns.
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Post by ChadA » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:08 am

CalgaryTbone,
You're correct; the SOM version does come with the brush. I was more referring to the fact that the terry cloth sheath doesn't do anything for the crook. :) I like using the sheaths with a rifle bore cleaning rod that breaks down into pieces to fit in a pocket in my case. Marcus Bonna cases can't really fit a full-length cleaning rod.
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Post by tbonesullivan » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:04 pm

$50? They are mostly around 30-35 today. I bought mine 10 years ago and the original blue sheath is still working fine. I just wash it a few times a year. It's saved me so much time and kept my slides happy.

The end brush is also quite nice. Combined with my Brass Saver brushes, I have very happy slides.
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