Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?

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Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?

Post by sirisobhakya » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:47 pm

Any recommendation for a sturdy, hard-to-topple trombone stand? Or experience even make one yourself from parts?

I normally set the horn on the floor, or have it always held in my hand in risky situations (such as students running and playing around). However, since I just bought a new tenor horn, and I want to play it both, maybe even switching in the same song, I felt I need a trombone stand. Also I don't want my trombone to feel left out, since I already bought a stand for the tenor horn :D .

A shop I can go have K&M 14985, which should be enough for normal operations. However, my issue is: the band room is quite crowded. Also, when the band is not set up and there are spaces available, students (and sometimes alumni too!) always run and play around. Also, I am quite clumsy myself. Therefore, toppling is very likely, and I cannot afford that. The 149/9 seems to be more rigid, but I wonder if any model would be even more sturdy.

Also, since there are many broken music stands, and also drum stands that I can use as starting point for a DIY trombone stand, does anyone has experience building one your own? I once used a drum stand with a rug laid on it for protection; usable but not that stable since there is no support inside the bell.
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Post by ghmerrill » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:52 pm

I built a very sturdy trombone stand from a Hamilton music stand. I use it as my "permanent" practice stand at home. This is particularly easy since the Hamilton music stand and trombone stand are virtually identical except for the top of the tube that holds the music table. You can also buy (at low cost) some parts from Hamilton. But basically, if you have a hack saw, a rubber plunger, some sort of rubber/plastic table leg cap, and maybe a couple of other small parts (like hose clamps), you should be able to build a trombone stand from something similar.
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Re: Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?

Post by greenbean » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:16 pm

I have several K&M 14990 stands. They are great. This one:

https://www.hornguys.com/collections/tr ... bone-stand
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Post by afugate » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:32 am

sirisobhakya wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:47 pm
Also, since there are many broken music stands, and also drum stands that I can use as starting point for a DIY trombone stand, does anyone has experience building one your own? I once used a drum stand with a rug laid on it for protection; usable but not that stable since there is no support inside the bell.
I built my own bass trombone stand out of a broken cymbal stand. I added a large plunger head and used a walking cane tip for the cap on the riser tube.

Cheap, effective, and extremely stable. But, it's also heavy!

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Post by timothy42b » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:51 am

I have two DIY stands, both are extremely stable.

One is a repurposed cymbal stand, with a crutch tip on top. $5 for the stand at a thrift shop, couldn't pass that up.

The other is a round plastic base from a floor fan I found in a dumpster. It turned out a plunger stick was a friction fit in the hole. So I turned the plunger around, cut the plunger hole all the way through and forced the stick through. Then I dipped it in Tool dip for a rubber coating on top.
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Re: Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?

Post by hyperbolica » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:16 am

If the room is really that active, a solid stand is just going to be something immovable to smash the horn against. The instrument should be in a hard case if it's not in your hand in that environment.
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Post by Posaunus » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:56 pm

hyperbolica wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:16 am
If the room is really that active, a solid stand is just going to be something immovable to smash the horn against. The instrument should be in a hard case if it's not in your hand in that environment.
:good:

Or, since the stand is immobile, it (and the trombone resting on it) will be in the way of - and likely a collision target for - all the clumsy oafs who stumble by. Put the trombone back in its case when you are not actively tending it in this environment.
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Post by jthomas105 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:47 pm

Mount a couple of these on the classroom wall up above the student traffic so they don't get run into.

https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywo ... jy0s696g_b
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Post by baileyman » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:56 pm

timothy42b wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:51 am
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The other is a round plastic base from a floor fan I found in a dumpster. It turned out a plunger stick was a friction fit in the hole. So I turned the plunger around, cut the plunger hole all the way through and forced the stick through. Then I dipped it in Tool dip for a rubber coating on top.
I like that. A round base makes it unlikely to tip in any direction. My stands have five legs, which is good for the same reason.
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Re: Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?

Post by BillO » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:45 pm

greenbean wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:16 pm
I have several K&M 14990 stands. They are great. This one:

https://www.hornguys.com/collections/tr ... bone-stand
I'll offer another vote for the K&M 14990. Best stand I have ever used. Have 3 now and will soon have 5 in order to replace my other 2 stands.
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Post by Backbone » Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:50 pm

DYI:
Used a cymbal stand and added the in bell support from a traditional trombone stand. Super sturdy.

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Post by Doubler » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:27 pm

I like my On-Stage stand; it's quite sturdy. The bell holder has pads on it, protecting the finish and enabling air to circulate in the bell so that moisture condensation doesn't get trapped inside by the holder itself. Hamilton makes a similar product.
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Re: Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?

Post by Slideorama » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:13 am

Like most kids in band, if the horn isn’t in your hands, it should be in your case. Unless other students are liable for your equipment, this isn’t a trombone stand issue.
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Re: Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?

Post by whitbey » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:27 am

My home stand is screwed to the floor so the horns cannot slide into each other.
Wood dowels are set into a 2 x 6. Drill a hole the size of the dowel and sink a screw from the other side.
Then toilet plungers drilled out to fit the dowel are slid over with a hose clamp or a few screws below to hold them in place. And a rubber cap on the top.
Top with a decorative table cloth.
On the side I have two 2 x 6's with angled tops connected at a right angle. This makes a great hanger for trombone slides.
The euph is hanging on a hardware hook connected to a 2 x 6.
The Pbone is just leaning against the wall.

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Re: Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?

Post by hyperbolica » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:45 am

whitbey wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:27 am
My home stand is screwed to the floor....
The thing that makes me uncomfortable about this is that if someone bumps your horn, it's going to get damaged against the immovable stand.

The Hercules hand grip stand is definitely the most stable, and probably the safest overall, but it only accounts for asymmetry on one axis. It still allows the horn to spin on the hand grip if it isn't set right.

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Post by baileyman » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:37 am

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Post by baileyman » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:35 pm

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A better pic. A compass indicates roughly 25 degrees of tilt before tilt-over. (Yes, there are too many numbers on that thing...)

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Post by pompatus » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:13 pm

baileyman wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:35 pm
A better pic. A compass indicates roughly 25 degrees of tilt before tilt-over. (Yes, there are too many numbers on that thing...)
Baileyman,
What stand is that? It’s the first trombone stand I’ve seen with five legs. I’ve always had a preference for the “heavy duty” K&M 14990, but I’m really interested in checking that one out.

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Post by goldendomer04 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:16 pm

Another +1 on the K&M 14990.

I’ve never felt the need to shop for anything else.
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Post by BGuttman » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:17 pm

That 5 legged stand is home-built. I know of only two: Baileyman's and an associate who plays in the same band. I've seen it plenty of times.

It's light. I wouldn't store a heavy bass trombone on it, but it's great for Baileyman's Bach 16 or Bach 12. And it's really stable.
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Post by baileyman » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:09 am

[All messed up pics in post attempt, will retry.]
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Post by baileyman » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:44 pm

Here's a 50b with the weight to the sloping side, 18 degrees tip over point.
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Post by baileyman » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:46 pm

Here is a Bach 16 on standard geometry (three leg) stand, tipping point 13 degrees.
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Post by trompanner » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:56 pm

greenbean wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:16 pm
I have several K&M 14990 stands. They are great. This one:

https://www.hornguys.com/collections/tr ... bone-stand
I too have this stand and I love it! Its the highest quality stand I've ever owned and I carry it everywhere with me. I used to have a Hamilton Stand (all chrome) but the joints of the legs on that one eventually broke and would longer stand without leaning or wobbling (thanks to clumsy private students stepping on them). I also had one of the Hercules In-Bell stands, and that one failed on me after about a year of use. I completely stand behind the K&M!
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