Holton Superbone

[afugate]

It looks like something you'd play with your hand in the bell...
--Andy in OKC

[johntarr]

I too would love to hear the bass superbone! I’ve been thinking that playing a superbone could be really good for my brain because it would involve my left fingers as well. I have a cyst on the tendon of the fourth finger on my right hand so I can’t move the third valve very fast, it’s better with my left hand. The only thing stopping me from getting a superbone is the weight. Carbon fiber would be very cool.

[Basssuperbone]

"Looks like an ergonomic nightmare" I think the original Superbone is.
People help themselves by leaning the 1st valve tubing to their collarbone and a ring for the 4. finger.

My first thoughts where how to place the left hand more to the center of weight and turn the hand.

Next I´ll have some pictures of me using the bone.
Later, recordings, I´m still getting used to the baby.

"Carbon fiber would be very cool".
Dave Butler made a Superboneconversion

[Basssuperbone]

First photo in action.
Bad haircut but colourkey art picture.

[SwissTbone]

Doesn't look too uncomfortable!

[whitbey]

Instead of a full set of valves, I did just the first valve. I took an older Edwards f attachment I have and had it cut to a Ab or first valve.

My Jazz horn is an Edwards with Ab valve and a pillar sound post. T-302-2N.500"/.508" dual bore slide with nickel outer tubes. Yes, an Ab valve or a first valve. With alternate slide positions one can play fast rips and runs. Great colorful sound.

Many years ago, I was electrocuted. It has created a lot of health issues for me. I lost my doodle and double tonguing for more than a few notes. The list keeps going but this is an example of a horn that gives back the things I cannot relearn. I have bought back solutions with equipment. Kind of like buying an Edwards trombone because you can play better on it.

So not one to give up I created something that works. I added one valve. A 1st valve or Ab attachment. So, the horn is a combination slide / valve trombone. But just the one valve. More graceful and does not stick out funny or silly looking.

The use of the valve is a study in alternate positions. You put the slide 2 positions short. By making every other note an alternate it all works. For whole steps the slide might not move but for half steps you probably need to move a position.

A simple F scale F-1st, G-T2nd, A-2nd, Bb-T3, C-3, D-T2, E-2nd, F in short 2nd to go back down or just slide into F if that is where you are going. Want an Eb scale, just move out 2 positions. A little practice and most things can be found. Technique is to blow though the horn and let the valve do the articulation. Adding a few extra notes to a line is straight forward. The longer positions do offer more alternatives.

Pics
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1izx3 ... 116-6toBiQ

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1izx3 ... BBwz1MKb9Q

[Burgerbob]

Pics https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1izx ... 2pLMU9rd1k

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1izx ... XN2UlJPRlU

Your URLs were shortened, but probably not by your hand. We can't click through.

[whitbey]

Pics https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1izx ... 2pLMU9rd1k

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1izx ... XN2UlJPRlU

Your URLs were shortened, but probably not by your hand. We can't click through.

I think it is fixed. Works for me. Ok?

[Burgerbob]

Your URLs were shortened, but probably not by your hand. We can't click through.

I think it is fixed. Works for me. Ok?

Works now!!

[Basssuperbone]

Instead of a full set of valves, I did just the first valve. I took an older Edwards f attachment I have and had it cut to a Ab or first valve.
......

Hi Whitbey, I think your right:
The Bsssb is not a trombone with just some funny valves for the trumpetplayer,
or to play faster, or ad positiones to the chart,
or to have another articulation,
it has the full range of a basstrombone, a compensated F tuba or chimbasso.
Perhaps, we should open a new thread for the instrument.

I see on the pictures you do play basstrombone and 4valve Cerveny oval euphonium, so you know,
the one instrument includes the contra b and the other doesn´t.

[whitbey]

Instead of a full set of valves, I did just the first valve. I took an older Edwards f attachment I have and had it cut to a Ab or first valve.
......

Hi Whitbey, I think your right:
The Bsssb is not a trombone with just some funny valves for the trumpetplayer,
or to play faster, or ad positiones to the chart,
or to have another articulation,
it has the full range of a basstrombone, a compensated F tuba or chimbasso.
Perhaps, we should open a new thread for the instrument.

I see on the pictures you do play basstrombone and 4valve Cerveny oval euphonium, so you know,
the one instrument includes the contra b and the other doesn´t.

My Cherveny Euph has a lever on the main tuning slide. Mostly this is for the higher range to kick it out to be in tune. The lever is next to the F slide. I can move the F valve slide real easy at the same time I kick out the main. I can get the 4th valve notes in tune pretty good. I have played enough C's and B's without a valve

[whitbey]

I have a few YouTube videos of my Dixie band. ---South Street Dixie Band from our first gigs that show the uses of the valve. Tiger Rag is one of those tunes that you want a lot of wild notes. This is wild with a lot of notes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1RJ6CjuAzE

[Basssuperbone]

Hi Whitbey, I think your right:
The Bsssb is not a trombone with just some funny valves for the trumpetplayer,
or to play faster, or ad positiones to the chart,
or to have another articulation,
it has the full range of a basstrombone, a compensated F tuba or chimbasso.
Perhaps, we should open a new thread for the instrument.

I see on the pictures you do play basstrombone and 4valve Cerveny oval euphonium, so you know,
the one instrument includes the contra b and the other doesn´t.

My Cherveny Euph has a lever on the main tuning slide. Mostly this is for the higher range to kick it out to be in tune. The lever is next to the F slide. I can move the F valve slide real easy at the same time I kick out the main. I can get the 4th valve notes in tune pretty good. I have played enough C's and B's without a valve

Uups sorry, now i understand, why you cut your Bb/F trombone.