Giardinelli Rim comparison.

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Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by conn88Hagmann » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:41 pm

Hello all.

Can anyone point me towards a Mouthpiece comparison that tells us what size a Giardinelli 4 rim is? And a 4W.

I’ve looked At the following charts and can’t realky work out the size:

http://www.dwerden.com/Mouthpieces/trom ... pare=25.45

http://www.dannychesnut.com/Music/Tromb ... rison.html

http://dougelliottmouthpieces.com/serie ... chart.html
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by Gatt » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:21 pm

file:///Users/stevealcock/Downloads/Giardinelli_Specs_Trombone.pdf

Ok! First time I've attempted to do this.......hopefully the above is a Giardinelli size chart?? :idk:
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by BGuttman » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:21 pm

I have a screw rim 5M and can tell you for a fact it's smaller than a 5. More like a 6 or 7.

I'm convinced that a 1 Bass Trombone will probably be like a 1 1/2 G.
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by Gatt » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:37 pm

Sorry!
Giardinelli 4 is 25.4(1") with bore 5.95(.234")
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by Posaunus » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:22 pm

Found somewhere on the net:

Giardinelli_____Inner Rim___Inner Rim___Bore____Bore
Trombone_____Diameter____Diameter
Mouthpieces___(mm)_______(inch)______(mm)___(inch)

(Screw Rims, S, F, W)

6M___________24,60_______0.9684______5,80_____0.2283
6D___________24,60________0.9684 _____5,95_____0.2342
5M___________24,99_______0.9838______5,95_____0.2342
5D___________24,99________0.9838_____5,95_____0.2342
4M___________25,40_______1.0000______5,95_____0.2342
4D___________25,40_______1.0000______5,95_____0.2342
3M___________26,18_______1.0306______6,34_____0.2496
3D____________26,18_______1.0306______6,34_____0.2496
3GM__________26,18_______1.0306______6,74_____0.2653
3G____________26,18_______1.0306______7,05_____0.2775
2GM__________26,58_______1.0464______6,74_____0.2653
2G___________26,58________1.0464______7,14_____0.2810
1GM__________26,98_______1.0621______6,74_____0.2653
1G___________26,98________1.0621______7,14_____0.2810

Non- screw rims Data from net
Sym-AL_______25,40_______1.0000
Sym-G________26.00_______1.023_______6.63_____0.261
Sym-T________25,75_______1.0137______6,34_____0.2496
Sym-B________26,75_______1.0531______7,14_____0.2810

4C___________25,40 ?______1.0000
5C___________24,99 ?______0.9838
(1970's catalogue data)

[ Sorry - I don't know how to better make a table }
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by BGuttman » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:43 pm

You did a great job.

Takeaway: Giardinelli rims are smaller than similar numbered Bach/Wick/etc. rims.

FWIW, my Doug Elliott LT rim screws onto my Giardinelli underpart, but there's a "step change". Doug recommended I get a MT rim to fit properly.
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by JohnD » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:30 am

Hi, folks,
here we go again:
http://www.jazzer.de/forum/Giardinelli_ ... ombone.pdf

That's the table Posaunus referred to. Had it in the old forum, posted years ago.

Thanks, John
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by conn88Hagmann » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:56 am

Thanks guys!
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by Pre59 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:00 am

Giardinelli rim sizes? IME, add a hefty dose of "ish" to their specs.
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by Posaunus » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:59 am

Pre59 wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:00 am
Giardinelli rim sizes? IME, add a hefty dose of "ish" to their specs.
Very true! :good:
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by dukesboneman » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:40 pm

A Giardinelli 4D is their answer to the 6 1/2AL
The 4M is basically a 6 3/4C with a little shallower cup
I had talks with the mouthpiece makers at Giardelli NYC back in the late `70`s about making me a 6 1/2 copy and that`s what they told me
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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by Posaunus » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:38 pm

For what it's worth (given the "ish" nature of mouthpiece dimensions), I have a copy of a Giardinelli Mouthpiece Catalog from the 1990s that shows the 4C mouthpiece with an approximate "Medium" depth Cup Diameter of 25.4mm and a Bore Size of 5.75mm. This would make it essentially the same as a Bach 6½A (25.40mm/5.85mm) rather than a Bach 6¾C (25.0mm/5.85mm).

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Re: Giardinelli Rim comparison.

Post by Doug Elliott » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:04 pm

The 4C didn't exist in the 70's when Giardinelli was a pretty major mouthpiece maker in NY, I think into the mid-1980's or so.

I don't know when it happened, but Giardinelli closed their retail location which is also where they made mouthpieces, and the name continued as an online store with mouthpieces made somewhere else. The older mouthpieces were well known and fairly consistent.
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