Lawler trombones

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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by TheSheriff » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:04 pm

johntarr wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:25 pm
Has anyone else tried a model 4 yet? I’m receiving one at the end of the month and am really curious and excited.

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Yes, I ordered one, got it, played it, and immediately realized it is too big for me so I sent it back. Great horn with all of the Lawler characteristics, just too large for me. If you are a .525 kind of guy then I believe you will love it.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by Mikebmiller » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:33 pm

My Lawler mod 1 with my buddy's Lawler trumpet.

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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by bkessler » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:19 pm

Hi all. I've finally had a chance to take my Model 2 for a spin, and it has absolutely lived up to my expectations. I ended up getting all Red brass in the stem/neckpipe, with a nickel silver slide/brass end bow. For flares, I got a .22 yellow brass 8" and a .25 red brass 7.5". Roy was kind enough to send me both a .508 and a .500 slide to try out. They were both fantastic slides, and while the .500 popped nicely and made switching partials even easier (this horn is soooo fluid overall), both I and the people I played blind tests for preferred my tone and palette of colors on the .508, so that's the one I kept.

I can't say enough great things about this horn. The design is fantastic, the horn is very comfortable to hold, and what a great sound. Tons of character, and between the horn itself and the different flares, the amount of variety I can get tone-color-wise is pretty remarkable. If you ever get a chance to play one of these horns, do yourself a favor and give it a try.

The only real issue I have is that my mouthpieces tend to get stuck in the lead pipe very easily. I've tried with a few different mouthpieces (Bach and Schilke), and they all seem to grab on. As long as I remember to put my fingers around the mouthpiece when I pull it out, I can usually get it out without yanking out the leadpipe too, but it's interesting that it's happening so consistently. I wrapped some plumber's tape around the top of my 11C shank so it doesn't go in as far, and that seems to help as well. I'm about to get a new mouthpiece from Doug Elliot with any luck, so maybe this problem will go away. Just curious if anyone else has run into it on their Lawlers

My horn came in one of Roy's new cases, which are also great. It's quite similar to the Marcus Bonna screwball cases, and came with backpack straps and a Protec mouthpiece pouch. I haven't decided if I feel like screwing on the bell every time I play, so I may move the horn over to my Eastman case, but having such a small case is really nice, and the balance of the horn on my back is quite comfortable. (apologies for the driveway photos...better light out there)
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by sungfw » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:31 pm

bkessler wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:19 pm
It's quite similar to the Marcus Bonna screwball cases
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by cozzagiorgi » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:02 pm

bkessler wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:19 pm
Hi all. I've finally had a chance to take my Model 2 for a spin, and it has absolutely lived up to my expectations. I ended up getting all Red brass in the stem/neckpipe, with a nickel silver slide/brass end bow. For flares, I got a .22 yellow brass 8" and a .25 red brass 7.5". Roy was kind enough to send me both a .508 and a .500 slide to try out. They were both fantastic slides, and while the .500 popped nicely and made switching partials even easier (this horn is soooo fluid overall), both I and the people I played blind tests for preferred my tone and palette of colors on the .508, so that's the one I kept.

I can't say enough great things about this horn. The design is fantastic, the horn is very comfortable to hold, and what a great sound. Tons of character, and between the horn itself and the different flares, the amount of variety I can get tone-color-wise is pretty remarkable. If you ever get a chance to play one of these horns, do yourself a favor and give it a try.

The only real issue I have is that my mouthpieces tend to get stuck in the lead pipe very easily. I've tried with a few different mouthpieces (Bach and Schilke), and they all seem to grab on. As long as I remember to put my fingers around the mouthpiece when I pull it out, I can usually get it out without yanking out the leadpipe too, but it's interesting that it's happening so consistently. I wrapped some plumber's tape around the top of my 11C shank so it doesn't go in as far, and that seems to help as well. I'm about to get a new mouthpiece from Doug Elliot with any luck, so maybe this problem will go away. Just curious if anyone else has run into it on their Lawlers

My horn came in one of Roy's new cases, which are also great. It's quite similar to the Marcus Bonna screwball cases, and came with backpack straps and a Protec mouthpiece pouch. I haven't decided if I feel like screwing on the bell every time I play, so I may move the horn over to my Eastman case, but having such a small case is really nice, and the balance of the horn on my back is quite comfortable. (apologies for the driveway photos...better light out there)
Any ideas who makes these cases?
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by bkessler » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:41 am

sungfw wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:31 pm
bkessler wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:19 pm
It's quite similar to the Marcus Bonna screwball cases
:eek: :eek: :eek::wink:
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by TheSheriff » Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:52 pm

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bkessler, congratulations on your new Lawler model 2. They are great trombones.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by johntarr » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:51 pm

bkessler wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:19 pm
Hi all. I've finally had a chance to take my Model 2 for a spin, and it has absolutely lived up to my expectations. I ended up getting all Red brass in the stem/neckpipe, with a nickel silver slide/brass end bow. For flares, I got a .22 yellow brass 8" and a .25 red brass 7.5". Roy was kind enough to send me both a .508 and a .500 slide to try out. They were both fantastic slides, and while the .500 popped nicely and made switching partials even easier (this horn is soooo fluid overall), both I and the people I played blind tests for preferred my tone and palette of colors on the .508, so that's the one I kept.

I can't say enough great things about this horn. The design is fantastic, the horn is very comfortable to hold, and what a great sound. Tons of character, and between the horn itself and the different flares, the amount of variety I can get tone-color-wise is pretty remarkable. If you ever get a chance to play one of these horns, do yourself a favor and give it a try.

The only real issue I have is that my mouthpieces tend to get stuck in the lead pipe very easily. I've tried with a few different mouthpieces (Bach and Schilke), and they all seem to grab on. As long as I remember to put my fingers around the mouthpiece when I pull it out, I can usually get it out without yanking out the leadpipe too, but it's interesting that it's happening so consistently. I wrapped some plumber's tape around the top of my 11C shank so it doesn't go in as far, and that seems to help as well. I'm about to get a new mouthpiece from Doug Elliot with any luck, so maybe this problem will go away. Just curious if anyone else has run into it on their Lawlers

My horn came in one of Roy's new cases, which are also great. It's quite similar to the Marcus Bonna screwball cases, and came with backpack straps and a Protec mouthpiece pouch. I haven't decided if I feel like screwing on the bell every time I play, so I may move the horn over to my Eastman case, but having such a small case is really nice, and the balance of the horn on my back is quite comfortable. (apologies for the driveway photos...better light out there)
Having recently become a very satisfied owner of a model 4, I can understand your enthusiasm. At the same time I received the horn, I started using Doug Elliott mouthpieces and the two shanks I tried fit perfectly in the Lawler. I suspect one of the reasons I find the Lawler so easy to play is because of Doug’s help with getting me a proper set up.

The case is pretty well made, not quite the quality of a Marcus Bonna case but certainly very good. I took it on the flight back and it fit very easily in the overhead compartment. It’s also a relief not to worry about the horn while others are stuffing the carry ons next to the case. The only disadvantage to the case that I can think of is that it could be mistaken for a viola so I might be the brunt of some viola jokes. And then when they find out it’s really a trombone, the trombone jokes.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by TheSheriff » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:21 am

johntarr wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:51 pm
The only disadvantage to the case that I can think of is that it could be mistaken for a viola so I might be the brunt of some viola jokes. And then when they find out it’s really a trombone, the trombone jokes.
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Very good, John. I pretty much thought the same thing when I got my case.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by johntarr » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:45 pm

TheSheriff wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:21 am
johntarr wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:51 pm
The only disadvantage to the case that I can think of is that it could be mistaken for a viola so I might be the brunt of some viola jokes. And then when they find out it’s really a trombone, the trombone jokes.
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Very good, John. I pretty much thought the same thing when I got my case.
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There may be an upside to this situation, however. If the airlines think it’s a violin or viola, then they might be less adamant about checking it. When I was bring ing back a viola for my wife last summer (no joke), one of the ticket checkers said it was too big to carry on and would have to be checked. I responded by saying that it was a very valuable instrument (partly true) and that it would be destroyed if I couldn’t carry it on. She referred me to her superior who politely acquiesced.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by keybone » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:53 pm

What is the length of the new case. I haven’t taken my ‘old’ (18 months!) Lawler case on a plane, but if there is an issue, it would be the length.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by Mikebmiller » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:02 pm

Anyone know the price on the new case?
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by Mikebmiller » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:02 pm

Anyone know the price on the new case?
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by DaveAshley » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:01 pm

I’ve ordered a Model 3 stem from Roy.
I haven’t tried one, but have no doubt that I’ll be happy with it.
.022 raw yellow brass with the single heavy ferrule to help to balance against my slide, which has the original, heavier tubes.

I’ve been on a ship gig since September. We play a LOT, so I brought an XO Fedchock Model (since it’s much lighter than my .025 Model 1.) I sure do miss the Lawler! It outplays the XO in every possible way, and don’t even get me started about the sound. Think Toyota 4 cylinder vs Lamborghini V10...
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by johntarr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:19 am

keybone wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:53 pm
What is the length of the new case. I haven’t taken my ‘old’ (18 months!) Lawler case on a plane, but if there is an issue, it would be the length.
Mine is 86cm or 33 1/2” long, which is technically too long but I’ve taken longer cases on board. The Lawler case is very unobtrusive and looks like a viola case so most airlines will let you take it on. Of course it helps not to have another big bag with you, imho.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by johntarr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:20 am

Mikebmiller wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:02 pm
Anyone know the price on the new case?
That would be a question for Mr. Lawler. :clever:
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by keybone » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:48 am

Thank you, johntarr. My ‘old’ case is about 38” long.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by Mikebmiller » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:59 pm

johntarr wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:20 am
Mikebmiller wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:02 pm
Anyone know the price on the new case?
That would be a question for Mr. Lawler. :clever:
It's not listed on the web site. Just wondering if anyone knew.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by johntarr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:39 pm

DaveAshley wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:01 pm
I’ve ordered a Model 3 stem from Roy.
I haven’t tried one, but have no doubt that I’ll be happy with it.
.022 raw yellow brass with the single heavy ferrule to help to balance against my slide, which has the original, heavier tubes.

I’ve been on a ship gig since September. We play a LOT, so I brought an XO Fedchock Model (since it’s much lighter than my .025 Model 1.) I sure do miss the Lawler! It outplays the XO in every possible way, and don’t even get me started about the sound. Think Toyota 4 cylinder vs Lamborghini V10...
When I was deciding which model to order, I waffled back and forth between the 3 and 4. I settled on the 4 because I like the feel of a .525 bore. While waiting for delivery, I sometimes wondered if I’d made the right decision because I was afraid the 4 would be too big. Fortunately, I stuck with my decision and am completely happy with the 4. If I were playing a lot of lead, salsa and/or horn lines, I’d definitely want a smaller model. Someday I hope to try a model 3. Good luck with your’s.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by johntarr » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:41 pm

Mikebmiller wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:59 pm
johntarr wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:20 am


That would be a question for Mr. Lawler. :clever:
It's not listed on the web site. Just wondering if anyone knew.
My guess is that he’s only selling them with the horns and not separately, but if you bought a horn before the new case was out, maybe they’d be available.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by Doug Elliott » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:27 pm

Those cases are from Slidebone. He's supposed to be getting more in soon.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by Mikebmiller » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:58 am

Roy says $300 and only sold to people who bought one of his horns.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by DaveAshley » Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:20 am

I’m fine with the old soft case! It’s teeny-tiny, and I’ve never had any issue with it.
I’ve actually never taken the hard case out of my house, but will probably take it if I ever go on tour again.
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Re: Lawler trombones

Post by Mikebmiller » Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:47 pm

I got one of those and have used it exactly once. There is no room for anything except the horn. Not even a mouthpiece.
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