Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

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Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by MikeStew40 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:41 pm

I’ve played bass clef all my life and regretably I’ve never bothered to learn any other clef but now I’m so engrossed by my new alto trombone that I want to learn everything about it. I’ve looked into it and it kinda looks like all the notes on the alto clef are just one step up like from line to space. Thank you for your time and helping a non-theory minded player find his way :bassclef: - :alto:
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by AndrewMeronek » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:12 pm

One step plus one octave. Remember that the Alto Clef is a C clef, meaning the C goes through the middle.

Long term, it's easier to just memorize the alto clef as its own unique thing. Congrats on grabbing an alto trombone. They're great! :good:
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by MikeStew40 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:27 pm

AndrewMeronek wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:12 pm
One step plus one octave. Remember that the Alto Clef is a C clef, meaning the C goes through the middle.

Long term, it's easier to just memorize the alto clef as its own unique thing. Congrats on grabbing an alto trombone. They're great! :good:
Thank you!!! The plan was to try to memorize it but the quick way is mostly just a backup plan
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by Doug Elliott » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:08 am

Memorize just 2 notes on the alto clef staff today. Add one more tomorrow. In a week you'll know all of them.
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by LeTromboniste » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:52 am

MikeStew40 wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:27 pm
AndrewMeronek wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:12 pm
One step plus one octave. Remember that the Alto Clef is a C clef, meaning the C goes through the middle.

Long term, it's easier to just memorize the alto clef as its own unique thing. Congrats on grabbing an alto trombone. They're great! :good:
Thank you!!! The plan was to try to memorize it but the quick way is mostly just a backup plan
It's better to jump right in than have back-up plans. If you're always keeping the "transposition" version in mind as a back up plan, you're likely not going to learn it very fast. The best approach to learning new clefs, transpositions or even just instruments is to jump right in and learn them without needing to relate them to what you already know (it's just too easy to fall back to your comfort zone otherwise, and the comfort zone is not where you learn)
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by Kbiggs » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:36 am

Buy one of several different books (tutors, primers) to learn to read alto clef. Reginald Fink and Ralph Sauer wrote some good ones:

http://www.hickeys.com/music/brass/trom ... o-clef.php

http://www.hickeys.com/music/brass/trom ... ies-36.php
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by BGuttman » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:00 am

I have a book I got from someone on TTF (forget who. Neo Bri?) for teaching alto clef that actually starts with exercises in bass clef. Being able to read bass clef on an alto trombone can be a very useful skill. While I was getting used to my alto I used to bring it to community band rehearsals and play my 1st trombone parts on it (in bass clef). With an instrument with a Bb attachment, you can play any note a tenor can except for low E below the bass staff. On a straight alto, you are limited in the low range to A at the bottom of the bass staff, but this may not be a problem if you are generally playing high parts.

The important thing to remember is that each clef is a way to represent notes. If you can look at the clef and know what note it is, and then set your trombone to play that note, you are in control.

If you flow that way (and I don't) you could learn to play transposed treble Eb parts. The notes in 1st position are C, G, C, E, G (starting one line below the treble staff) which will sound Eb, Bb, Eb, G, Bb.
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by MikeStew40 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:00 pm

BGuttman wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:00 am
I have a book I got from someone on TTF
What’s the name?? I might try to see if I can buy it somewhere
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by timothy42b » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:32 am

Harrison was the person on TTF who donated the alto trombone method. I don't know if he's here or not, but a google on "Harrison alto trombone method" turned up a link to download.
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by marccromme » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:17 pm

Finke wrote a nicee booklet some decades ago called 'learning the alto clef'. Simple melodies in bass and alto clef, from very easy to slightly advanced. This works!

He also wrote 'learning the tenor clef' Works too!
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by timothy42b » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:53 am

I have a trumpet Arban book, and I play a bit out of each section reading it as alto, but adding two sharps.

Naturals are a challenge! I think it exercises my brain.
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Re: Any tips for transposing alto to bass clef?

Post by Driswood » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:46 pm

Doug Elliott wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:08 am
Memorize just 2 notes on the alto clef staff today. Add one more tomorrow. In a week you'll know all of them.
How I learned bass clef when I was a treble clef baritone player in high school.

Sound advice!

This was before I started trombone in college and scrapped euphonium! :good:
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