M&W custom trombones - any reviews available?

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M&W custom trombones - any reviews available?

Post by marccromme » Tue May 01, 2018 3:15 pm

I just stumbled over this https://www.customtrombones.com/photos.html and it pleases my eye. Greenhoei'sh, but more elegant, definitely something of it's own.

Question is just: do they play as well as they look?

Is there any forum member daring to make a short review or share their experiences with these instruments?
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Post by Finetales » Tue May 01, 2018 3:34 pm

I've tried a few of them, both tenor and bass, at shows and from friends who own them. I really liked them - they play extremely well!
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Post by Matt K » Tue May 01, 2018 4:03 pm

I've only played them in passing at Dillon Music but each one was a superb instrument. I really liked one that had a red bell and I think a narrow slide, which is unsurprising given how much I like my Shires with a similar configuration.
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Post by elmsandr » Tue May 01, 2018 7:15 pm

I haven’t played any of their complete horns, so I cannot give you a review of the horns, but I can give a review of the makers and people you would be dealing with.

In short, they are some of the finest brass craftsmen on the planet.

For a longer explanation, I sent them the slide from an ancient Conn Fuchs to see if we could resurrect it. Not really, it is pretty much destroyed and had some bad repairs in the past. So I asked them to make a replacement based on their TIS bass slide. Well, they made me a slide. It was not simply their standard bass slide, they made a faithful reproduction of the Fuchs slide that included some custom tooling. I still have work to do on the bell section (and I need to call M&W and see if I can just talk them into it), but this slide is amazing. It fits my Bach tapers, so I’ve been using it on my old Bach 50 single. Perfect sound and feel for a bass. It is open and full, but not nearly as spread as some of my other slides. And it is absolutely stunning. If you are on Facebook, there was a recent thread in the Bass Trombone Appreciation group about a twin slide they made for another Fuchs.

For me, I do not need another horn. I would happily buy one from M&W just so that I could see what they come up with for me.

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Post by Burgerbob » Tue May 01, 2018 7:47 pm

I played their horns at ITF. Really amazing instruments.
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Post by DakoJack » Wed May 02, 2018 2:22 pm

Michael McLemore is on this website hes one of the cofounders of M and W he could probably help you out but Im not sure if he wants to just be outed on this thread with reviews of his stuff. If you want to talk to him Im sure with a little research you could find him on here. Never played his stuff but havent heard any negative reviews so thats a plus.
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Post by Neo Bri » Mon May 14, 2018 12:04 pm

No reviews here. I'm pretty sure they'd be amazing instruments, and I trust the people who've chimed in about them.

That being said, I wish they were modular.
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Post by ZacharyThornton » Mon May 14, 2018 1:30 pm

I have played them and they have the best feedback of anyhorn I have every played. If I ever thought my horn wasn’t cutting it... I would go M&W.
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Post by Kbiggs » Mon May 14, 2018 7:22 pm

I believe they both worked for Greenhoe at one time... hence the “Greenhoe-ish” appearance. I’ve been told that appearances can be deceptive... ;)
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Post by hornbuilder » Tue May 15, 2018 8:44 am

To respond to a couple of comments so far. M&W will make either hard soldered (ie not removable) bells, as well as detachable (ie modular) bells. Customer choice.

Regarding the similarity to the product if our previous employer, these are brand new designs, with "many" differences to the previous product. Both Michael and myself are active players, and we designed these instruments to encapsulate features that we knew would go beyond what we had done before.

We would love for anyone interested in our horns to give them a try!
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Post by Neo Bri » Tue May 15, 2018 9:31 am

hornbuilder wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 8:44 am
To respond to a couple of comments so far. M&W will make either hard soldered (ie not removable) bells, as well as detachable (ie modular) bells. Customer choice.

Regarding the similarity to the product if our previous employer, these are brand new designs, with "many" differences to the previous product. Both Michael and myself are active players, and we designed these instruments to encapsulate features that we knew would go beyond what we had done before.

We would love for anyone interested in our horns to give them a try!
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Post by FeelMyRath » Tue May 15, 2018 2:41 pm

Are there any plans to expand to the UK/European market some day?
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Post by marccromme » Tue May 15, 2018 3:54 pm

I would love to test your instruments in Europa ...
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Post by hornbuilder » Tue May 15, 2018 7:19 pm

We have a relationship with Bertram Musik in Freiburg, Germany (actually working on a project for them right now) We are in discussion with a couple of other dealers, in England and Portugal, so hopefully we will have more of a presence in Europe soon.
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Post by ZacharyThornton » Tue May 15, 2018 7:41 pm

I personally prefer non modular horns. I think something is lost in the build of the horn because of the breaks needed to make the bell removable. I could be completely wrong though...
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Post by Inspector71 » Wed May 16, 2018 6:19 am

ZacharyThornton wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 7:41 pm
I personally prefer non modular horns. I think something is lost in the build of the horn because of the breaks needed to make the bell removable. I could be completely wrong though...
:good: Right On!
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Post by FeelMyRath » Wed May 16, 2018 7:01 am

Is there any tangible evidence to support that? I'm not suggesting that you're wrong in any way, I'd just like to know if it's a definite fact because of x, y, z...
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Post by hornbuilder » Wed May 16, 2018 8:12 am

Re the hard soldered/detachable question. Personally, I prefer permanently mounted bells. It may be psychological, but I feel there is a better "connection" within the instrument as a whole. There are some benefits from a construction point of view with both options, but that all generally comes out as a wash.

Of course it depends to some extent too, if you're talking about "modular" versus "interchangeable". While we will do modular instruments, we do not do interchangeable, since, in our opinion, there are too many compromises associated with doing that, from a "fit/tolerance" perspective. But that's another conversation...

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Post by Neo Bri » Wed May 16, 2018 8:59 am

hornbuilder wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 8:12 am
Re the hard soldered/detachable question. Personally, I prefer permanently mounted bells. It may be psychological, but I feel there is a better "connection" within the instrument as a whole. There are some benefits from a construction point of view with both options, but that all generally comes out as a wash.

Of course it depends to some extent too, if you're talking about "modular" versus "interchangeable". While we will do modular instruments, we do not do interchangeable, since, in our opinion, there are too many compromises associated with doing that, from a "fit/tolerance" perspective. But that's another conversation...

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Can you elaborate more on the difference between the two? If I were to buy a "modular" tenor with a yellow bell from M&W, and then later buy a red bell here on TC, does that mean they might not fit?

I'm probably misunderstanding the fundamental difference.
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Post by PhilipEdCarlson » Wed May 16, 2018 5:38 pm

:ugeek:
Neo Bri wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 8:59 am
I'm probably misunderstanding the fundamental difference.
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Post by hornbuilder » Wed May 16, 2018 9:30 pm

Yes, you have the idea. Every manufacturer makes a choice as to how "tight" or "loose" any given tolerance needs to be. We feel that to make every component that comes out of our shop "interchangeable" with another one that may have been made days, months or years before, requires too much of a compromise on what we consider to be a "correct fit" of things like the tuning slide tubes and the cross braces.

We hand fit the tuning slide tubes as pairs, for example, as opposed to machining them to a given size. (Even with CNC machining, there is variance in the dimension of the final part) We build a bell section as a complete unit, with the tuning slide and valve section that goes with that instrument, as opposed to building those components separate to each other and then combining them, with the fit being acceptable "however it comes". This attention to fit actually reduces he difference between a modular and hard soldered instrument to a minimum, IMO.

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Post by ZacharyThornton » Thu May 17, 2018 9:28 am

^ and this is why they are the best.
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