Handslide Crook Bach 16M

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wesleyrubim
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Handslide Crook Bach 16M

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Just out of curiosity.
Has anyone tried swapping the handslide crook on a Bach 16M for a crook from a King 3B or another model? What was your experience like?
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Burgerbob
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Re: Handslide Crook Bach 16M

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I did an MK Drawing crook. The entire horn was simply better afterwards.
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Re: Handslide Crook Bach 16M

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Burgerbob wrote: Mon May 11, 2026 8:35 am I did an MK Drawing crook. The entire horn was simply better afterwards.
Cool! Happy to hear it! Did you get the regular nickel? Or other kinda material?
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Re: Handslide Crook Bach 16M

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wesleyrubim wrote: Mon May 11, 2026 3:59 pm
Burgerbob wrote: Mon May 11, 2026 8:35 am I did an MK Drawing crook. The entire horn was simply better afterwards.
Cool! Happy to hear it! Did you get the regular nickel? Or other kinda material?
I used this one, NOT the Bach replacement. The larger size really opened up the horn and made it better.

https://www.mkdrawing.com/product/tromb ... mall-bore/
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dukesboneman
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Re: Handslide Crook Bach 16M

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Yes, I have. On a 16M that I no longer have.
It as a fantastically more open horn.
It became kind of a 'Project" horn that I used as my daily horn for a number of years.
1) Changed the awful 16M leadpipe for a Kanstul H8.
2) Changed the Hand slide crook to a 3B crook. The horn opened up considerably.
3) Changed the tuning Slide crook to one off of a 3B. Played even more open and free.
With all 3 off these replacements the horn was such a free blow and the upper range just flew out of the horn.
It was a very good 6M to begin with but it was killer!!
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Re: Handslide Crook Bach 16M

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I replaced the slide crook with a 3B slide crook. There a very noticeable open feel with better slotting but not yet where I thought it should be. I replaced the leadpipe with a Brass Ark 32H 0.509". I noticed further improvement. The 32H however, is based on a Conn design and was a bit too open for me. Got an O'Malley Brass LA 0.508" press fit LP. My 16M with the non-open neck pipe is now totally dialed in.
Thrawn22
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Re: Handslide Crook Bach 16M

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I play with a chap that preferred the 3B crook over the Bach one.
6H (K series)
Elkhart 60s' 6H bell/5H slide
78H (K series)
8H (N series bell w/ modern slide)
88HN
71H (dependant Olson valves)
72H w/ 73H slide (half moon bell)
35H alto (K series)
Boneyard custom .509 tenor
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