Drombone wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2026 5:32 pm
I have 40+ years experience of playing, to a good (amateur) standard.
I have about that much playing time in -- but not on trombone. Many years ago I was a "good" saxophone player and a "decent" flue player, later in life I became quite a "good" tuba player. I've been a "mediocre" euphonium player (community band level). As a trombone player, I'm struggling for adequacy, but I love bass trombone.
In the cases of tuba and bass trombone I have spent a completely unreasonable amount of time and money experimenting with differences in mouthpieces and (in the trombone case) lead pipes. But I've learned a lot for all that money.
I had my chance at 16 to go pro musician, but chose medicine instead, ...
I thought briefly about going the musicician route when I was 17-18. As I recall, "briefly" amounted to about 15 minutes of analysis. I went in a different direction (actually, it ended up being three different -- though related -- directions over my professional life). But it was really a matter of what mattered most to me in terms of what I wanted to do.
I bought a modular horn from an auction site. I took it to the factory to try different bits. The yellow brass bell apparently helps with projection. I swapped a bronze lead pipe out for one of 2 nickel ones. I thought I could slot better and go higher with more security. I swapped a red brass, nickel plated tuning slide for a yellow one. It helped me feel more secure. I didn't notice much difference in sound.
I haven't messed with tuning slides because I doubt that (certainly for my own purposes) any results would matter to me. When a year ago I switched from ~ $600 Laabs "American Heritage" (mostly/sort of 7B clone) to my Getzen 1052, I'd already experimented with several different lead pipes and could definitely tell the difference among these. Some of this involved recording myself playing, but unfortunately not in a venue very dependable for making generalizations about sound.
The mouthpiece/lead pipe combination definitely seems sensitive to properties/dimensions of the components (no surprise there), and often is difficult to perceive and make choices if you're switching among rim/cup/shank/lead pipe type/lead pipe material combinations. I've a recently been surprised (

) to discover that I have six different lead pipes from three different courses, and in three different materials.

Several times I've thought that I found "the one", only to discover some time later that one of the others (in combination, of course, with the mouthpiece rim/bowl/shank and provider differences) seemed "better" for what I wanted. Certainly there is some subjectivity in this -- if only because I'm looking for some particular effects in terms of the sound being produced. And part of this is because all of that experimentation has trained me to better levels of both perception and performance.
But not all of this is "subjective" -- it's just difficult to evaluate -- particularly in an environment where your criteria of evaluation may be changing as you proceed. And I'm pretty sure that I'd be in the same position in comparing trombones (I.e., conceived of as a bell section, hand slide, materials for bell and various slides, slide configuration, valve types, etc.). My tale about lead pipe and mouthpiece experimentation illustrates how merely changing one component -- and even just a small change -- can have significant overall effects.
So ...
My suspicion is that the terms in the title of this post are what the Emperor's tailors said. I think the little boy has it right. A trombone of a given bore sounds much like its cousins from another factory, and the only difference is to the player.
I view this conclusion as too broad and simplistic for me to make any kind of real judgment about it. What exactly does "much like" mean, and what counts as a "cousin"? Given broad enough meanings for these words, I can shrug and say "Sure, okay. But what are you striving for in offering this?" Do you really think that a "given bore" size is what determines all of the (evident? interesting? characterizable?) aspects of a trombone's sound, or determines it within some sort of narrow range. I do doubt that.