Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
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htii
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Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
Hi all,
I've been playing on a DE XT103N G+8 for several years now. It served me well in college, but I am about 6 years removed from that and find that not playing 1st part on everything for 6+ hours a day anymore has really reduced my endurance. While I used to be able to just sit up high and play all day long, I can barely make it through a 2 hour rehearsal anymore for the local community band I'm in.
So, I'm looking to downsize to something more efficient that won't just absolutely wipe me out. I was thinking going down to a LT101N - not sure of the cup, because I really enjoy the feeling of Doug's narrow rims, but I am also completely unaware of what exists nowadays. I went from a Schilke 51D to my current setup, so I've tried a very small number of things. Should I stick in the DE line and just downsize a little? or look elsewhere like a Denis Wick 5AL? I've seen that recommended around here some.
With the downsize, I do worry about a few things. I'm on a Conn 88HO from the mid-90s and I worry about backpressure. The shank I have is nice and free flowing and I don't really want to lose that. I also don't want to just wreck my tone quality, as I think it's in a good spot. Any advice is thoroughly appreciated!
I've been playing on a DE XT103N G+8 for several years now. It served me well in college, but I am about 6 years removed from that and find that not playing 1st part on everything for 6+ hours a day anymore has really reduced my endurance. While I used to be able to just sit up high and play all day long, I can barely make it through a 2 hour rehearsal anymore for the local community band I'm in.
So, I'm looking to downsize to something more efficient that won't just absolutely wipe me out. I was thinking going down to a LT101N - not sure of the cup, because I really enjoy the feeling of Doug's narrow rims, but I am also completely unaware of what exists nowadays. I went from a Schilke 51D to my current setup, so I've tried a very small number of things. Should I stick in the DE line and just downsize a little? or look elsewhere like a Denis Wick 5AL? I've seen that recommended around here some.
With the downsize, I do worry about a few things. I'm on a Conn 88HO from the mid-90s and I worry about backpressure. The shank I have is nice and free flowing and I don't really want to lose that. I also don't want to just wreck my tone quality, as I think it's in a good spot. Any advice is thoroughly appreciated!
- Burgerbob
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
Might be worth just trying a G cup.
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- Doug Elliott
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
In my stuff there are multiple ways to downsize just a little. XT G, G8 is a good idea. Maybe even XT F+.
I might have an N102.5
I might have an N102.5
Lord of the Rims
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htii
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
Would it be worthwhile to switch to LT? I'm not sure how much "just a little" will make an impact in terms of endurance. I am, unfortunately, not playing nearly as much I used to or would like to, but would like to at least make it through a concert on all first parts without straining at the end.
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mrdeacon
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
I vote for trying a smaller cup first if you feel that the rim is still comfortable. G, F+ or even down to F. I really like the F+ cup.
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- Doug Elliott
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
If you like the open feeling you get on the XT series, the same thing in the LT series will feel tight. Especialy in the mid to low range.
Lord of the Rims
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htii
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
Oh, I guess I hadn’t realized how much impact the cup makes for endurance, then. I was just thinking it might’ve been total weight in the mouthpiece. So, how much of a downshift will feel meaningful while maintaining playability? For a tenor player typically on first, is the 103N and G+ combo a wide and deep combo?
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claf
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
My tenor setup for 1st part is XT103N/F+, it really works very well.
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Doldom
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
Maybe.. isometric exercise or buzzing tube exercise 20~30 minutes everyday might help.
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
Yes, it's like changing from your usual size 10 shoe to a size 7 shoe thinking that you'll be able to run faster without training. You can keep the size 10, and get a more efficient type of shoe (lighter, bouncier, etc), but the size 7 in the old shoe type is probably not going to be any better. Might be worse, even, that shoe won't fit right.
There is no substitute for practice time, but a shallower cup is less tiring to play upstairs.
There is no substitute for practice time, but a shallower cup is less tiring to play upstairs.
- Harrison Reed
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htii
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Re: Downsizing from a XT103N G+8?
Thanks Harrison, and thanks Doug. I'll be shooting you an email soon about some replacement parts.