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I'm not sure the word but it's the stuff many people put in the mouth? In the old day's only old men used it and they spit it out everywhere. Like in the old "cowboys" movies. Today even young girls use it and it's popular. In the old days it was a dark powder but now it's in small white packets they put in the mouth. They put in between the lips and gum. Anyone use it and play the trombone? I ask because I have a student which use it. I don't think it's good for the lips?

Leif

I’ve used snuff, chew, dip, and the new non-tobacco nicotine white pouches. None of them are good for the lips, teeth, gums, or jaw, and they are known to cause cancer.

I will say, I’ve never tried to play an instrument using any of it…only used it during the day job…something of a stress response I’m guessing.

In the US, it’s called Zyn. And no, it’s not good for the lips… or the rest of the body and mind.

https://www.lung.org/blog/zyn-nicotine-addiction

Snus, baby! No spitting required.

*rhymes with goose*

Is Snuff Harmful? Know the Facts

Using moist snuff can also:

yellow your teeth
sour your breath
lead to tooth decay and gum infections, and in some cases jaw complications or loss of teeth resulting in bone loss and face disfigurement

I would think a trombone player's curiosity in snuff would end at "bone loss and face disfigurement"

robcat2075 wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:41 am
I would think a trombone player's curiosity in snuff would end at "bone loss and face disfigurement"

Yeah, this seems obvious. Why is it a question, and what is there about it that is remotely attractive?

hyperbolica wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:50 am

robcat2075 wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:41 am
I would think a trombone player's curiosity in snuff would end at "bone loss and face disfigurement"

Yeah, this seems obvious. Why is it a question, and what is there about it that is remotely attractive?

Just like any vice I suppose. Most of them I don’t find attractive.

Copenhagen was mostly what I dipped. For me, it was a way to stay awake at night through graveyard shifts. Varying caffeine types only worked so well, smoking was less attractive and I couldn’t do it in a company car, and more sleep was not a possibility due to having a young family.

Interestingly enough, I’ve never felt the need to dip on weekends. As a whole, if I wasn’t at work, I never dipped or felt the urge to. The habit stuck around longer than it should have for sure.

I’m sure everyone has their reasons for use. In all fairness, you would think a diminished lung capacity due to fibrosis or lung cancer would be a turn off for trombone players from smoking as well, but it doesn’t seem so. Just like all vices, there are always good proven reasons not to do them, but they are still done anyway. For that matter, I’ve been around people who have consumed smokeless tobacco products for decades…literally 40 to 50 plus years, and have not suffered bone loss or disfigurement. Don’t get me wrong, those cases do exist and I’ve seen them, but more often I see cancer, gum disease and tooth loss which is bad enough.

Either way, glad to have quit and not picked up the habit for some time!

hyperbolica wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:50 am

robcat2075 wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:41 am
I would think a trombone player's curiosity in snuff would end at "bone loss and face disfigurement"

Yeah, this seems obvious. Why is it a question, and what is there about it that is remotely attractive?

Nicotine is an incredibly powerful drug, and does have a number of objectively positive effects. You're thinking of it as a non-user. It's like asking why people use opioids. I guess since the snuff form of nicotine doesn't go into the lungs, it might be more attractive to someone addicted to nicotine who doesn't want to harm their lungs.

One of the better educational videos about addiction.

There must be people for whom these things are more active.

I tried a cigarette in my 20s and... hmmm, I'm breathing in smoke... cough, cough...what's the plus that makes me do a second one?

Maybe if I had succeeded in blowing out a smoke ring I would have found it more alluring.

I presume it's exceedingly rare for anyone to start smoking as an adult.

I would still be curious to try acid. If Steve Jobs AND George Harrison recommend it, it must be good.

robcat2075 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:33 pm I would still be curious to try acid. If Steve Jobs AND George Harrison recommend it, it must be good.

I'm a fan of acetic acid. Especially in the form of apple cider vinegar. Really useful in cooking.

I bet snuff can't do this...

1950s Housewife on LSD