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Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2024 11:56 am
by Magooey3
I am about to buy a soprano trombone and when I was looking through mouthpieces when I found the Wybrid mouthpiece. I am a trombone player mainly so I thought that this mouthpiece would be good for me. For anyone who knows, would this be a good mouthpiece?
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:01 pm
by Doug Elliott
There's only one way to find out if it would be good for you.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:09 am
by Matt K
I've tried both this and the Jim Nova / Greg Black series soprano. The GB one is substantially better, imo. It gives a passable soprano sound, which is not something I was able to achieve on the Wycliffe model. FWIW, the best is a trumpet mouthpiece. I have a nice Kanstul B15 with a "1" rim in lexan that I really like for soprano. As good as the Nova series is... almost every trumpet pieces blows it out of the water for sound quality.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:28 pm
by harrisonreed
I had one for the trumpet. Since like a trumpet and was actually in tune, but my range was barely up to high C (concert Bb). Not really very handy for most things you'd want to do on trumpet, unless you want to just play mostly in the staff.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:19 pm
by Danitrb
harrisonreed wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:28 pm
I had one for the trumpet. Since like a trumpet and was actually in tune, but my range was barely up to high C (concert Bb). Not really very handy for most things you'd want to do on trumpet, unless you want to just play mostly in the staff.
Hi! I'm interested in this topic. Wich high C (Bb flat) you mean? In the staff or above?
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:30 pm
by Finetales
The Wybrid thing works for people who are Wycliffe. It generally does not work well for people who aren't Wycliffe.
What you want is an alto horn mouthpiece on the smaller/shallower side (so not a Wick 2), or a marching mellophone mouthpiece if you want to do bright jazz playing with small bores. These will give you the range and sound you want while still sounding like a trombone. If you just want to sound like a trumpet, use a normal trumpet mouthpiece.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2026 3:12 pm
by harrisonreed
Danitrb wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:19 pm
harrisonreed wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:28 pm
I had one for the trumpet. Since like a trumpet and was actually in tune, but my range was barely up to high C (concert Bb). Not really very handy for most things you'd want to do on trumpet, unless you want to just play mostly in the staff.
Hi! I'm interested in this topic. Wich high C (Bb flat) you mean? In the staff or above?
Above the treble staff.
It's the "high C" that beginner trumpet players all worry about and get pumped up about.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 12:13 am
by claf
Then it's more than enough for all you would like to do on the torture device that is a soprano trombone.
I have to try my alto horn mouthpiece on my soprano but it is already so low with a shallow trumpet mouthpiece I fear of the result...
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 2:16 am
by Danitrb
harrisonreed wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 3:12 pm
Danitrb wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:19 pm
Hi! I'm interested in this topic. Wich high C (Bb flat) you mean? In the staff or above?
Above the treble staff.
It's the "high C" that beginner trumpet players all worry about and get pumped up about.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 2:17 am
by Danitrb
Danitrb wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 2:16 am
harrisonreed wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 3:12 pm
Above the treble staff.
It's the "high C" that beginner trumpet players all worry about and get pumped up about.
Thank you for your answer. This is very good result. So, in your opinion could it works for trombonist playing trumpet (only in school contest, not gig) to teach trumpet beginners (age 10-13), considering they rarely reach top G (F) above the staff?
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 4:30 am
by Danitrb
Finetales wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2026 1:30 pm
The Wybrid thing works for people who are Wycliffe. It generally does not work well for people who aren't Wycliffe.
What you want is an alto horn mouthpiece on the smaller/shallower side (so not a Wick 2), or a marching mellophone mouthpiece if you want to do bright jazz playing with small bores. These will give you the range and sound you want while still sounding like a trombone. If you just want to sound like a trumpet, use a normal trumpet mouthpiece.
I tried to explain my purpose of using it in the last comment. I saw Chasons offers also 6 1/2 rim wich is closer to my rim 4G. I use same rim on every horn. Anyway you're right, I think this mouthpiece can't sound like really trumpet mouthpiece. I'm considering it like compromise to not mess up my embrouchure. I can't switch rim easily. I saw your video and you are amazing playing all these different brass instruments in a really good way. But unfortunately switching very different bore and mouthpieces size doesn't work for me.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 8:46 am
by Finetales
The problem with the Wybrid isn't the sound, it's the range. Unless you have unreal chops like Wycliffe does, you won't be able to play very high on the Wybrid, which sort of defeats the purpose of a soprano trombone.
I bet Doug could make a soprano mouthpiece with a trombone rim that worked well.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 8:47 am
by harrisonreed
Danitrb wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 2:17 am
Thank you for your answer. This is very good result. So, in your opinion could it works for trombonist playing trumpet (only in school contest, not gig) to teach trumpet beginners (age 10-13), considering they rarely reach top G (F) above the staff?
If you were a school teacher giving lessons to beginners who has to teach all different brass instruments just the basics, yes this could work very well.
For a serious trumpet student, even a young one, I imagine they would grow out of a teacher who needed a mouthpiece like this pretty rapidly.
I do think everyone has an ideal rim ID that fits their face and will give them their maximum low and high range, but I also think that any given rim ID is generally tied to a general instrument type and it does this by giving you a solid "center point" for your overall range:
For trombone, perhaps a 1.04 rim gives you a solid center point of F3, in the staff. Maybe it also gives you a range up to F5 and down to pedal F. That's pretty good. That's pretty good for alto (though you could argue that maybe Bb3 would be a better "center point" for alto), and both flavors of tenor. But that's maybe not so great for bass where your best "center point" might be Bb2.
When you get to trumpet, the ideal center point for the range is so far removed from any kind of trombone mouthpiece rim ID that it becomes ridiculous to try and play that instrument with a 1.04" rim ID... 1.04" might indeed fit your face best....but it fits your face best while placing the middle of your range at F3, the absolute bottom register of the trumpet.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 10:09 am
by Danitrb
I think I didn't explain so well. My goals is not go to a gig with a trumpet, or play crazy high stuff like Wycliffe Gordon. My only goal is just be a good example with trumpet for beginners trumpet player (age 10-13), who usually have range (treble clef) until E (in the staff), or G (just above the staff). I would use it just in the class. If I have pretty decent high range on trombone (high F/G - Beethoven 5 to be clear), those notes could come out also relatively easy with the trumpet?
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2026 10:19 am
by Doug Elliott
I would think so.
I played a recording session one time on trumpet with one of those. It was acceptable...
I can play trumpet with a trumpet mouthpiece too, but it's not something I practice so I have no endurance.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2026 3:31 pm
by Danitrb
So, is there a trombone soprano/ trumpet moutpiece with 4g rim?
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2026 9:52 pm
by Doug Elliott
It's not really ideal, but my ST series 102 or 103 rim with an A cup and a trumpet size shank, that I actually make for Olds F altos.
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2026 12:28 am
by claf
Do you make something similar that would work in a Eb tenor horn ?
Re: Wybrid mouthpiece for soprano trombone
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2026 1:30 am
by Doug Elliott
The same combo should work. I have an old King Eb alto horn.... I'll try it again - I've used it before.