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Does anyone sell leadpipe fittings that would work with a yamaha 891z trombone?

There's a thread with some info on that here:
https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=36853

I don't see anything on their website just yet, but as a fellow 891 & 691 player, I am excited that there might finally be some more options for leadpipes.

One thing I do see on the O'Malley site are some NY & LA copies in various materials. Pretty interesting!

I saw the O'Malley pipes. I want one but when I called they wanted me to send in one of the pipes that I have so that they can use the fittings off of that. I like the pipes I have and don't want to burn one for a new pipe.

I can make do with what I have by shortening the shank of whatever mouthpiece I use until it lines up. It works, but it is not ideal.

chouston3 wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 10:40 pm I saw the O'Malley pipes. I want one but when I called they wanted me to send in one of the pipes that I have so that they can use the fittings off of that. I like the pipes I have and don't want to burn one for a new pipe.

Hey, thanks for the update. I'm with you on my current pipes, so that's disappointing.

I haven't reached out to them myself yet so maybe I read too much into the conversation in that other thread or just misunderstood. I had really hoped that they were going to be offering "complete" leadpipes with compatible screw-in fittings.

Hello!

I play a leadpipe based on a Conn 32H pipe and it's sold by BrassArk. It fits my 891Z. I believe it's bulit by Brad Close at this forum. BrassArk sell at least two sizes of this pipe to fit both .500 and .508 horns It was a special order so took a while, but I was satisfied when it arrived. A great leadpipe.

/Tom

imsevimse wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:06 am Hello!

I play a leadpipe based on a Conn 32H pipe and it's sold by BrassArk. It fits my 891Z. I believe it's bulit by Brad Close at this forum. BrassArk sell at least two sizes of this pipe to fit both .500 and .508 horns It was a special order so took a while, but I was satisfied when it arrived. A great leadpipe.

/Tom

Did you have to send in one of your leadpipes? How did it work?

On their website they say they don't have yamaha fittings.

It’s probably pretty as straightforward to replace the collar with one from Shires or Edwards. I don’t think Yamaha sells the nut spearwrwpy but both Getzen/Eswards and Shires sell that part.

That’s said, Matt Frost has done similar things for me in the past and at a reasonable price point. He might be able to make you some replicas at a price point that makes it feasible

I am curious if press fit would work. If that was the case then that would explain how imsevimse is able to use brassark leadpipes.

chouston3 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:23 pm I am curious if press fit would work. If that was the case then that would explain how imsevimse is able to use brassark leadpipes.

It would work, but you probably would be able to wiggle the mouthpiece end of the leadpipe around since there wouldn't be threads to hold it in place. That doesn't affect how it plays, but some people are bothered by that. There's also a widespread misconception that the mouthpiece end has to seal airtight. It does not.

For me to make a Yamaha pipe with threads, you would need to provide the threaded ring.

chouston3 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:23 pm I am curious if press fit would work. If that was the case then that would explain how imsevimse is able to use brassark leadpipes.

Press fit definitely "works". I have a Kanstul H8 with some plumber's tape wrapped under the collar and it fits in and plays okay. It just doesn't stay in there very well.

My personal preference is having something threaded, by far. I don't like messing around with the loose pipes in the receiver. Some people don't mind it, so they are of course welcome to go ahead and play them that way.

So, if I was ever going to get serious about the H8 - I would likely sacrifice a Yamaha leadpipe to have the H8 attached to the threaded collar.

brassmedic wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:38 pm

chouston3 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:23 pm I am curious if press fit would work. If that was the case then that would explain how imsevimse is able to use brassark leadpipes.

It would work, but you probably would be able to wiggle the mouthpiece end of the leadpipe around since there wouldn't be threads to hold it in place. That doesn't affect how it plays, but some people are bothered by that. There's also a widespread misconception that the mouthpiece end has to seal airtight. It does not.

For me to make a Yamaha pipe with threads, you would need to provide the threaded ring.

Providing a threaded ring is the problem. I have checked several different places and I cannot find a threaded ring. Yamaha does not make them, they only sell completed pipes. Instrument innovations does not offer them.

I checked with a few retailers and they did not have them either.

Having one made from scratch would be cost prohibitve for me.

I like my current pipes so I don't want to sacrifice one for the threaded ring.

If you made Yamaha leadpipe threads you could corner the market on that product.

Press fit sounds like my best option at this point.

brassmedic wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:38 pm For me to make a Yamaha pipe with threads, you would need to provide the threaded ring.

In your expert opinion, why do you think no one has been able to replicate Yamaha's threaded leadpipe fittings? Or, perhaps "able" not the right word. Maybe whatever is involved in replicating those pieces isn't cost effective given the potential market for them?

bassclef wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:58 pm

brassmedic wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:38 pm For me to make a Yamaha pipe with threads, you would need to provide the threaded ring.

In your expert opinion, why do you think no one has been able to replicate Yamaha's threaded leadpipe fittings? Or, perhaps "able" not the right word. Maybe whatever is involved in replicating those pieces isn't cost effective given the potential market for them?

I would say that second thing. Compared to the hundreds of Shires, Edwards, and Conn pipes that I sell, I've never seen a huge interest in Yamaha pipes.

Yamaha pipes are 2-piece, and I don't make 2-piece pipes. I think one piece pipes are better. It does look like there's enough extra thickness at the threads where you could make a slip-over ring for a one piece pipe. Maybe you could talk Instrument Innovations into making some.

chouston3 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:08 pm

imsevimse wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:06 am Hello!

I play a leadpipe based on a Conn 32H pipe and it's sold by BrassArk. It fits my 891Z. I believe it's bulit by Brad Close at this forum. BrassArk sell at least two sizes of this pipe to fit both .500 and .508 horns It was a special order so took a while, but I was satisfied when it arrived. A great leadpipe.

/Tom

Did you have to send in one of your leadpipes? How did it work?

On their website they say they don't have yamaha fittings.

Acctually I mix things up a bit. I ordered a Conn 32H pipe from BrassArk for my Gerdt .500 bore and that one is the one I do know is made by Brad and it is a very nice pipe indeed and it is press fit. The other 32H leadpipe I use with my Yamaha 892ZX (891Z, with f-valve) is also a Conn 32H leadpipe. It was advertised as one and I checked my notes on that now. I can see I bought it on Internet on an ebay auction. When I bought it I had plans to use it with a Kanstul 1606 .500 so I guess the ad probably said it was .500. When it arrived it did not fit, because it was too wide so I checked if it fit the 892ZX instead. I didn't plan to change that one but as It sealed tight and the collars fit perfectly and I noticed the result was better I kept it. It seems to be the NY Yamaha collar that has been reused to make a new pipe (I learn something every day). I just assumed Brad did this one and that it was a BrassArk pipe, but it might be wrong. It is a great pipe and as you can see since it has the Yamaha collars it match perfectly. The stamp on it says NY just like one of the original Yamaha pipes but note the length of the cupper NY-pipe do not matches the length of the original NY brass-pipe, instead the length match the LA-pipe. Obviously not made by Yamaha. When I bought it off Internet I didn't check the information that well but now I'm happy I bought it. You can see all three pipes here at the picture. The two originals and the cupper-pipe. It says 32 on the cupper-pipe and it is also a "S" further down the pipe (wonder what that stands for).

To sum: I do not know who made that 32-pipe but it's real good and I like to use it with the 892ZX.

/Tom

imsevimse wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:15 am I just assumed Brad did this one and that it was a BrassArk pipe, but it might be wrong. It is a great pipe and as you can see since it has the Yamaha collars it match perfectly. The stamp on it says NY just like one of the original Yamaha pipes but note the length of the cupper NY-pipe do not matches the length of the original NY brass-pipe, instead the length match the LA-pipe. Obviously not made by Yamaha. When I bought it off Internet I didn't check the information that well but now I'm happy I bought it. You can see all three pipes here at the picture. The two originals and the cupper-pipe. It says 32 on the cupper-pipe and it is also a "S" further down the pipe (wonder what that stands for).

To sum: I do not know who made that 32-pipe but it's real good and I like to use it with the 892ZX.

/Tom

"S" just means seamed. I make those from sheet copper with a seam. It should say "B. Close" at the end, too. I may have made that as a custom 2-piece pipe where the customer provided the threaded receiver. Or maybe someone else modified it. I can't remember.

We have 891Z threaded leadpipe collars available, as well as full leadpipe assemblies. The mouthpiece insertion depth on our part is a standard insertion, changed from the rather deep mouthpiece insertion on the Yamaha.

Contact us at [email protected] for further inquiries.

I was just going to say that O’Malley does make the threaded collars and leadpipes to go along with them. I have a couple that I’m checking out now that are great. They are all an improvement over the standard leadpipes the horns come with. The biggest difference is the mouthpiece insertion point. That alone changes the blow of the horn in a positive direction. If you have an 891 or 897 you’ll enjoy checking out the new pipes they are making.

My threaded collar and leadpipe just arrived.

Everything fits and looks well built.

I got the LA pipe in drawn yellow brass. I noticed an immediate improvement in response, and articulation. My sound went from slightly muffled to direct.

I feel like this is a big improvement and might even call it a necessary upgrade for the 891z.

Thank you Luke for making me aware of this product.

I would post a play test but I am an intermediate player and I am a bit intimidated.

Hi Mr. Houston,

Thanks for the kind words. Glad everything is to your liking.

Just wanted to share that these collars can be turned down to fit the 897Z as well, which is .484 bore on the mouthpiece side.

Here’s a short video of the two different O’Malley Brass LA style leadpipe offerings. One drawn and one seamed.

O’Malley Brass Trombone Leadpipes for the 891

This would be much more useful if the original pipes were also included for comparison. Any chance you’d be willing Luke?

pfrancis wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:38 pm This would be much more useful if the original pipes were also included for comparison. Any chance you’d be willing Luke?

I did make a video previously between the standard LA leadpipe and the O’Malley Brass Drawn leadpipe. Here it is.