How do you pronounce Jaroslav Cimera's last name? My students always ask me.
I've been saying with a "ch" like it's Italian, but I'm not sure if that's right. If anyone knew him, or was active in the area (Chicago, I think) I'd love to know!
Thanks!
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:23 pm
by Burgerbob
With a sh sound on the front.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:54 pm
by norbie2018
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:04 pm
by norbie2018
Cimera is Bohemian likely from what is now known as the Czech Republic. An online pronounciation guide for Czech states: "c is pronounced like in “Streets.”, so I vote for pronouncing it like "Tsimera'.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:47 am
by RCimera
We pronounce it "Sim-air-a." Others pronounce it "Suh-mare-a." I'm not sure how Jerry pronounced it. He was my father's cousin. So he probably pronounced it like that side of the family (Sim-air-a).
Also, somebody said that Jerry was Czechoslovakian. The family always considered themselves "Bohemian" (they were from Pilsen), even though they listed themselves as Austrian when they came to the country.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:37 am
by BGuttman
If your family immigrated before World War I, that whole area was called "Austria-Hungary", which included Austria, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia. Most immigrants from this area identified as either Austrian or Hungarian, probably depending on whether they spoke German or Hungarian as their natural language. Bohemia and Moravia were both included in Czechoslovakia at the end of World War I.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:15 pm
by RCimera
Correct. They came over in the early 1900s. Jerry and my father's generation were all very proud to be "Bohemian" and didn't like to be called Czech. I believe they are even buried in a Bohemian cemetery outside Chicago.
BGuttman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:37 am
If your family immigrated before World War I, that whole area was called "Austria-Hungary", which included Austria, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia. Most immigrants from this area identified as either Austrian or Hungarian, probably depending on whether they spoke German or Hungarian as their natural language. Bohemia and Moravia were both included in Czechoslovakia at the end of World War I.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:35 pm
by JohnL
RCimera wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:15 pmJerry and my father's generation were all very proud to be "Bohemian" and didn't like to be called Czech. I believe they are even buried in a Bohemian cemetery outside Chicago.
Those of us who grew up in the United States often don't understand how important distinctions like that are to some people from other parts of the world.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:37 pm
by hyperbolica
RCimera wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:47 am
We pronounce it "Sim-air-a." Others pronounce it "Suh-mare-a." I'm not sure how Jerry pronounced it. He was my father's cousin. So he probably pronounced it like that side of the family (Sim-air-a).
Also, somebody said that Jerry was Czechoslovakian. The family always considered themselves "Bohemian" (they were from Pilsen), even though they listed themselves as Austrian when they came to the country.
Wow, now that's hearing from the source! Never expect to get real definitive answers here, but TC comes through this time!
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:02 pm
by RCimera
Can any of you explain to me Jerry's contribution to the field? I don't know much about that side of the family. I just knew that he (and his brother James) were "famous" trombones. What were they famous for?
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:40 pm
by BGuttman
RCimera wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:02 pm
Can any of you explain to me Jerry's contribution to the field? I don't know much about that side of the family. I just knew that he (and his brother James) were "famous" trombones. What were they famous for?
Jerry was a noted teacher in the Chicago area. You can find a method book by him on IMSLP.
One of his "students" was Tommy Dorsey, who used to stop by for a lesson when he was nearby. By this time Tommy was already famous with his own band but he still liked getting somebody to listen and comment.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:09 pm
by Slidehamilton
And my teacher Art Sares was also one of Jerry's students.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:12 pm
by RCimera
I'm glad he was so well thought of. I'm a teacher myself. Though I can't play a note.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:44 pm
by Doug Elliott
Well it's really nice to hear from you, an actual descendant. Maybe you should start playing trombone yourself...
One of my very first books was the Cimera - Hovey Method by Jaroslav Cimera and Nilo W. Hovey. Now to find out who Hovey was.... ?
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:52 pm
by RCimera
Doug Elliott wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:44 pm
Well it's really nice to hear from you, an actual descendant. Maybe you should start playing trombone yourself...
I wish I knew more about him. It's a shame I didn't ask more questions when my grandfather was alive. A lot of history gets lost between generations.
Two of my brothers played trombone. But they didn't quite live up to the family name.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:20 pm
by JohnL
At one time, Schilke produced a three models of "Cimera-Sares" mouthpieces. The Cimera-Sares #1, #2, and #3 eventually became the Schilke 43A, 45B, and 47B. Pretty sure they go back to the early days of Schilke's.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 9:17 am
by sungfw
Doug Elliott wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:44 pm
Well it's really nice to hear from you, an actual descendant. Maybe you should start playing trombone yourself...
One of my very first books was the Cimera - Hovey Method by Jaroslav Cimera and Nilo W. Hovey. Now to find out who Hovey was.... ?
I still use my copy of Cimera’s “55 Phrasing Studies.” It’s in my warm-up rotation.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 3:06 pm
by Sdoubler
Allow me to again share these Cimera discs I uploaded to YouTube a few years back:
I studied with Scott Bentall, who studied Cimera's approach with Art Sares...
Very nice to hear from Rcimera!
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 6:13 pm
by norbie2018
Sdoubler wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:06 pm
Allow me to again share these Cimera discs I uploaded to YouTube a few years back:
I studied with Scott Bentall, who studied Cimera's approach with Art Sares...
Very nice to hear from Rcimera!
Any insight to his approach you can share?
Thanks,
Michael
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 8:33 pm
by Doug Elliott
In F# ?
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 9:00 pm
by BGuttman
norbie2018 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:13 pm
Any insight to his approach you can share?
Thanks,
Michael
His style is very reminiscent of Arthur Pryor. It was a style that was popular 100-140 years ago. If you try this on a Solo and Ensemble nowadays you will get poor grades. We don't play like that any more. Still, he is showing his full mastery of Arban's.
Re: How do you pronounce "Cimera?"
Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 6:31 am
by norbie2018
I was hoping the poster could give insight to his pedagogy, as, if I read correctly, he studied with someone might know.
Sdoubler wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:06 pm
Allow me to again share these Cimera discs I uploaded to YouTube a few years back:
I studied with Scott Bentall, who studied Cimera's approach with Art Sares...
Very nice to hear from Rcimera!
Any insight to his approach you can share?
Thanks,
Michael
I'd have to dig up my lesson notes - what I remember most interesting off the top of my head was that nearly everything was played with vibrato, starting with slow ascending scales. "Violin players do it, why shouldn't we?"
It was a different time with different aesthetics to be sure!