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Anyone try one of these recently, perhaps at ATW, and have any thoughts to share? Seems like they must’ve developed quite a good horn with Enzo if it’s already drawing endorsements from other top players/teachers. Hoping to try one out this summer but just curious for people’s thoughts so far!

One of the best instruments ever tried.

It was hands down the best horn at the Edwards booth for me. It had a very easy blow, and was easy to color. Softs we’re dark and loud blossomed quite well. The harmonic pillars were noticeable. Would be really cool to have the full harmonic pillar but even the smaller one was noticeable.

Nice!! Nothing but positive stuff so far. There’s a decent bit of 4147IB’s in the US but not a ton used by pros, I wonder if this one will make more of a splash and fit the style of US orchestral playing better.

arich621 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:54 pm Nice!! Nothing but positive stuff so far. There’s a decent bit of 4147IB’s in the US but not a ton used by pros, I wonder if this one will make more of a splash and fit the style of US orchestral playing better.

There are pretty much differences between these models. The choice is personal.

I play a 4047DS but I changed out the slide to a T396 ones because the leadpipe felt too tight for me as a bass player. I can’t wait to try this out. And if I like it, I could always try a new leadpipe on this model.

The ET stock pipe is apparently a rather short, sterling pipe. I wonder the degree to which that influences the feel.

Matt K wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:23 pm The ET stock pipe is apparently a rather short, sterling pipe. I wonder the degree to which that influences the feel.

So is the 396 AR pipe. Interesting!

New interview with Enzo Turriziani about the Getzen 4047ET.

Just picked one up this past weekend. Can't say enough positive things about it.

I upgraded my DS to the features on the ET. New dome insert and seamed tuning slide. Made what I thought was a perfect tenor to an even better one. But I still use the 396 slide. I tried with an ET slide and boy did it help my high range. If I played more orchestral first trombone or solo works that is what I use. My tenor playing is either second bone or chamber music that my blend is just right .

How shorts are the leadpipe of 4047 ET and T396 AR compare to standard brass leadpipe?

The ET leadpipe is the same as the old long Alessi t2 (sterling silver). The AR pipe is shorter than standard.

Kdanielsen wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 1:44 pm The ET leadpipe is the same as the old long Alessi t2 (sterling silver). The AR pipe is shorter than standard.

Thank you! Has short leadpipe any advantage?

Danitrb wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 1:55 pm

Kdanielsen wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 1:44 pm The ET leadpipe is the same as the old long Alessi t2 (sterling silver). The AR pipe is shorter than standard.

Thank you! Has short leadpipe any advantage?

For me, the shorter pipes are more flexible and the slot is bigger but less focused. I prefer longer pipes with a really well defined slot. Everyone responds differently. The next person who responds might say the opposite.

Kdanielsen wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 1:44 pm The ET leadpipe is the same as the old long Alessi t2 (sterling silver). The AR pipe is shorter than standard.

I measure the AR pipe at right around 7.75" long. If the ET is the same as the T2 Artist (old Alessi), then that would be closer to 9.5". The AR pipe is among the shortest I own. Comparing my .547 pipes, the 1919 8H pipe made by Brad Close is almost identical in length. Also of similar length: Brad Close's 78H "Classic" and 32H "Burkle" pipes.

Thank you! What difference you feel beetwen these two leadpipe?

Danitrb wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 12:43 am Thank you! What difference you feel beetwen these two leadpipe?

My experience comparing short vs long leadpipes generally aligns with Dr. Danielsen's description above. The longer pipes tend to have more stability and a stronger slot - sometimes I feel this as added resistance compared to the same design at a shorter length. Shorter pipes in comparison tend to be less stable but more flexible - I feel them as more "open" or having less resistance compared to the same design at a longer length. That said, I find these tendencies exist on a spectrum, and there are many variables at play apart from length - venturi size and placement, the rate of taper, material, threaded collar vs. pull ring vs. soldered in, and so on. Play two of the "same" pipes back to back, and you may very well find they feel fairly different. So, having just made some generalizations, I guess I'd say that you should take general descriptions with a grain of salt

I haven't played the T2 Artist model, so I can't offer any comparative thoughts for that one. I was considering buying one second hand at one point, so I reached out to Edwards for more information, which is how I ended up with length specs. But, the AR pipe is a good one if you tend to prefer more flexibility and less resistance. After spending some time on mine, it feels a touch too open for my playing. But, ymmv.

Yes, you are right. It is personal, but also it is correlate to the rest of the instrument, bell ,tuning slide , valve and mouthpiece, I think. For sure it should be all balance thing.

Kdanielsen wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 1:44 pm The ET leadpipe is the same as the old long Alessi t2 (sterling silver). The AR pipe is shorter than standard.

The T2 Alessi #2 leadpipe is also shorter than the standard Edwards sterling pipes, but probably longer than the new T396 pipe (I haven't checked them against each other). The original Edwards sterling pipes in the standard #1, 2 & 3 were noticeably longer than the brass pipes. Then there were Kitzman and Alessi versions of the #2 sterling introduced that were both shorter than the standard sterling pipes (the Alessi was the shortest). Those pipes were closer to the length of the standard brass pipes. There are probably some more versions that haven't made it on to the website.

Jim Scott