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Help needed to identify. Is this a Williams & Wallace Model 1 ? (Video demo link added)
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 12:59 pm
by bbadgerd
Hello,
Needing help from the knowledgeable Williams experts out there on my acquired
"The Wallace" horn . Bell is 8" and serial number is 179. Horn is in great shape with an unbelievable TIS slide.
Model ?
Year made?
Pictures link below. 16 images.
www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-5NTJKx/
YouTube link below is 3 minutes of horn being played by Evan.
Thanks,
bbadgerd
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a William & Wallace Model 1 ?
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:06 pm
by hyperbolica
Wow, gorgeous. And great photography too.
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a William & Wallace Model 1 ?
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:37 pm
by JohnL
You can pretty well nail down the date thanks to the "PAT APLD FOR" marking on the brace. The patent (US Patent 1782452) was filed on January 4, 1928 and granted on November 25th, 1930. Figure Earl might have had a few braces already marked when the patent was approved, but it's going to be pretty close.
Any idea what the bore is?
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a William & Wallace Model 1 ?
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:19 pm
by bbadgerd
Hi John,
Thank you for the information. Would you guess this horn about 1930, if you had to guess? Bore size measured .4995 so I guess it is .500 I will try to include picture here of measurement, if that doesn't work, I have included it on my smugmug picture link.
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a William & Wallace Model 1 ?
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:24 pm
by Posaunus
JohnL wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:37 pm
You can pretty well nail down the date thanks to the "PAT APLD FOR" marking on the brace. The patent (US Patent 1782452) was filed on January 4, 1928 and granted on November 25th, 1930. Figure Earl might have had a few braces already marked when the patent was approved, but it's going to be pretty close.
Any idea what the bore is?
John,
You have sharper eyes than I do. I cannot see the "PAT APLD FOR" marking on the brace in any of the photos.
But the last photo shows that the bore is 0.500"
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a William & Wallace Model 1 ?
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:01 am
by JohnL
Posaunus wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:24 pmYou have sharper eyes than I do. I cannot see the "PAT APLD FOR" marking on the brace in any of the photos.
It helps to know where to look...
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a William & Wallace Model 1 ?
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:23 am
by Doug Elliott
Being .500, the bore of the later model 6, that would generally be referred to as a "pre-6" with no actual model number.
"Pre-4" is fairly common, both TIS and TIB. I have a tuning-in-bell pre-4.
I know pre-6's exist but I don't recall seeing one.
I've seen a couple of pre-8's, with very similar engraving.
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a William & Wallace Model 1 ?
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:45 pm
by bbadgerd
Thanks you JohnL and Doug Elliott for your knowledge shared on the horn. Would like to see pictures of other William Wallace horns that others may have in there collection. Past or present.
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a William & Wallace Model 1 ?
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:55 pm
by HawaiiTromboneGuy
That’s a beauty!
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a William & Wallace Model 1 ?
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:43 pm
by bbadgerd
YouTube link below is 3 minutes of horn being played by Evan.
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a Williams & Wallace Model 1 ? (Video demo link added)
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:26 am
by imsevimse
Nice sounds!!!
/Tom
Re: Help needed to identify. Is this a Williams & Wallace Model 1 ? (Video demo link added)
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:00 am
by afugate
FYI, that appears to be Evan Drumm, post military induction. Terrific young person and a great player. I've known him since he was a freshman in high school.
--Andy in OKC