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Is it a counter weight?

Or a sound thing like on the Edwards horns he wouldn't use?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6PfxK0uWno

Ouch.

Wait so the horn he helped design isn’t balanced and needs an aftermarket counterweight?

They're available here, ran the page through google translate:

https://www-joybrass-com.translate.goog ... r_pto=wapp

$180?

Not really a new concept by any means. But since his horn7 don't have a nice spot for adding weights anymore, I guess he's got to branch out.

I haven't seen one of these in person yet, but I imagine this counterweight would especially come in handy for rebalancing screw bells. For the Edwards folks following along at home, that's when the bell is in two (2) pieces. Lots of makers have figured out how to do them.

Has no one noticed that the posting was on "April Fool's Day" ?

2bobone wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:08 pm Has no one noticed that the posting was on "April Fool's Day" ?

Maybe so, but the video was posted earlier in March and the product exists on the JoyBrass site. https://www.joybrass.com/shopdetail/000 ... ge1/order/

Hmm. Wonder if they're something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Climax-2C-050-Tw ... 47502&th=1

Looks to me like a large reason why he is using that is to counter the weight of the cut bell that he is now playing on. Those suckers can be heavy!

2bobone wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:08 pm Has no one noticed that the posting was on "April Fool's Day" ?

Yeah, no, this is a real thing.

That's... real?

I withdraw my previous "ouch" of irony and replace it with an "ouch" of genuine dismay.

robcat2075 wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:23 pm That's... real?

I withdraw my previous "ouch" of irony and replace it with an "ouch" of genuine dismay.

https://www.joybrass.com/smartphone/det ... der&page=1


(He's using it in this awesome master class)

I mean, it's a cool idea and design. Cooler looking and more elegant than the Edwards "TERD" (bruh, who named that thing???). It's overpriced (~$200), though.

The irony is definitely that the Edwards harmonic brace IS a customizable counterweight. Maybe the most advanced counterweight around (BAC also has one). But to my knowledge Joe wasn't really using it.

https://www.mcmaster.com/spacers/shaft- ... couplings/

You could always go industrial, and save $150.....

You could always go industrial, and save $150.....

I see they do them crome plated - that wouldnt even look 'industrial'!

All jokes aside, a quick release counterweight actually sounds kind of awesome for long stints with a mute in. Might finally make the jo ral bucket mute usable.

As we can here now it does not help...

If that one weight is good... why not two?

I actually bought one of these for my bass and have been using it for 2 weeks. I can sum up my thoughts and make a mini review if there is interest.

In short, it probably changes your sound 1-2%, for those guys it’s a big change, for me, it balances my horn and evens out the weight of the cut

BassPosKenner wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:55 am All jokes aside, a quick release counterweight actually sounds kind of awesome for long stints with a mute in. Might finally make the jo ral bucket mute usable.

Here you go. Two strong magnets and a couple of fender washers from Home Depot.

I like that. Makes a trial cheap and easy.

Timothy42b... never mind the counterweight - I'm impressed with the trombone stand!!

The man keeps Nestle Quick on the floor in case of emergencies. He makes trombone stands out of old oscillating fans. He bathes in his kitchen sink. He invented the trombilizer before Joe made it cool. He only wears bowling shoes and carries a biscuit tin. And he needs a counterweight that has more mass than the rest of his Chinese-made alto trombone. He is the Legend.

TromboneTallie wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:11 am The man keeps Nestle Quick on the floor in case of emergencies. He makes trombone stands out of old oscillating fans. He bathes in his kitchen sink. He invented the trombilizer before Joe made it cool. He only wears bowling shoes and carries a biscuit tin. And he needs a counterweight that has more mass than the rest of his Chinese-made alto trombone. He is the Legend.

Well, all modesty aside:

He grows onions using the diet Pepsi osmosis method. He is the Legend! He is Tim!

Full of admiration!!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1izx3 ... c9CiPSoBlw

Ok, Got to show off my bone stand. 7 horns. stand is mounted on floor so nothing can bounce into each other. Wood poles with plungers. And a slide holder.

Excellent

I use it on a screw-bell Bach Artisan to re-balance the horn. It works great.

A recent Masters graduate came to my house to try out a slide he wanted to purchase. This guy plays great and we talked shop, etc., and I noticed he had a Trombilizer on his bass so naturally I asked if it made a difference and if he likes what it does. His answer was that it does balance the horn and the sound is clearer. He got his from Dillon Music and I ordered a standard weight. I'm not easily convinced that all gadgets sold to brass players do much good but I have to say I really like this product! Way more than the "Le Freque" which never wowed me.

Yes. It IS expensive for what it is. BUT, it's more about sound. If you need a counterweight there are more reasonably priced alternatives including homemade ones. I knew within the first 3 seconds of my warmup that this is a keeper. YMMV. The start of the notes had a more "one target" feel and sound, in every register. Articulations felt a little cleaner, more solid. Another reason I bought this was to use on a front heavy 50B (single rotor) that I've never liked how it played with a Bach balancer weight. I do however like the balance and the way it plays with the standard weight Trombilizer.

If you aren't too far from Dillon's I suggest trying one out if you are the least bit curious. They come in Standard, Medium and Small.

Pics of the new gadget.

I've got one of these. Great for balancing out something that just needs a titch of weight. Last used it on my 42R sterling Bach.

Nothing I currently have needs it so it sits in the drawer.

I use it on my already pretty well balanced Shires double rotor bass. I'm keeping it on because I dig the sound and response.

I assume this has a fixed inner diameter that requires the tuning slide brace to be a certain diameter? Wondering whether it would work with a tuning slide that Scott Sweeney reversed (and used different-sized stock for the bracing?)

Yes, they fit bach/edwards/shires. I'd be surprised if Sweeney used something radically different, though it could be smaller