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Sideways rotors
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:52 pm
by Hobart
I was looking through Facebook, and there as an early Schargel with a rotary valve mounted with the cap facing down and the linkage coming from the top.
Is there a practical reason more manufacturers don't do this? I'm not sure how difficult it is to manufacture, but I feel like it would be a good alternative to adding extra bends to the rotor tubing in certain cases.
Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:54 pm
by Elow
Pics would be helpful, but sounds like the same concept as an axial
Edit: Oh, i thought "with the cap facing down and the linkage coming from the top" meant actually facing down.
Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:05 pm
by Burgerbob
Germans like to do this-
https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=18365
You are making the instrument wider, linkage may be harder to route as well. Not sure why I would choose this over the "normal" way, especially with modern larger valves.
Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:28 am
by Bonearzt
Elow wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:54 pm
Pics would be helpful, but sounds like the same concept as an axial
More like Hagmann
Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:19 am
by hornbuilder
These are standard rotor valves. The valve ports are arranged in an "H" configuration.
Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:22 am
by UncleJenny
To my knowledge in the beginning all Schagerl trombones had Hagmann valves. I had the opportunity to try one of their first bass trombones back in 2002/2003. Here’s a pic of it:
Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:54 am
by hornbuilder
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Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:56 am
by hornbuilder
The trombone in question in the original post, as well.as those by Pfretzschner and ThroJa are rotor valves in an H configuration.
Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:44 pm
by Bonearzt
Interesting, but could be tough to work on!
Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:16 pm
by tbonesullivan
Reminds me of the "Walzenvalve" German tubas which have the rotors directly below the paddles, instead of on the other side of the horn. I mean there's no real rule regarding which direction the rotor has to face.
Re: Sideways rotors
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:38 am
by MStarke
I cannot judge if the valve configuration for the Pretzschner and Throja trombones (and maybe others that are similar) is more difficult for technicians to work on. I can only say that all that I have seen and played myself had very well functioning and quiet valves and valve linkages. Of course this is not only a question of the configuration, but simply the build quality.