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mickael57280
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Post by mickael57280 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:19 am

Hi, selling my Selmer Bolero recently acquired.

Slide freshly tweeked from a tech.

I sell it because I can't accustomed to the partials.

5th is sharp and 6th is flat.

Asking 950$ shipping included from France.

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Elow
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by Elow » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:52 am

Isn’t that for any brass instrument?
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by micka572 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:13 am

On the majority of trombones, and especially modern ones, the 5th (D in first) is flat and the 6th (the F in first) is sharp.

Old ones are more divergent on intonation.
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by Elow » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:18 am

Mixed up my partials, i thought fifth was the same as scale numbers, fifth as F. My bad
micka572
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by micka572 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:31 am

No problem 😉
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by imsevimse » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:33 pm

micka572 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:13 am
On the majority of trombones, and especially modern ones, the 5th (D in first) is flat and the 6th (the F in first) is sharp.

Old ones are more divergent on intonation.
That is also what I've been told and have read in books but I wonder if it is true. I too said that in a thread many years ago and somebody pointed that d more often is sharp. I began to think of that note more and have to admit I was wrong. The d is actually more often sharp than flat on the horns I own. I wonder why and when that d changed from beeing too flat to beeing too sharp.

On my horns the d needs to be played further out compared to the Bb in first position. I know the d played after a Bb is a major third and a major third needs to be played a bit flatter in that context so it might be one reason, but I often have to adjust that d out in a lot of other chords too.

It would be interesting to know if the d was more flat on the very old horns.

/Tom
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by micka572 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:14 pm

Don't know I only have played a Yamaha 448G since I've started playing trombone and don't know if I can acomodate between the intonation of the Selmer and the Yamaha.

Otherwise I would have hold it.
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by Posaunus » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:04 pm

The Bolero is a much smaller trombone (0.508" bore) than the 0.547" bore Yamaha 448G.
How much time have you spent trying to adapt to the Bolero?
What small-shank mouthpieces have you tried for the Bolero?
Is there any intonation difference between mouthpieces?
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by micka572 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:09 pm

Spending 2 weeks after not playing for 6 months...

Trying with a 6.5A and the original mouthpiece.
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by micka572 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:38 pm

So anyway I will accept reasonable offer.
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by micka572 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:50 am

Reduced 900$ shipping included
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by mickael57280 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:44 am

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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by Finetales » Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:40 pm

FWIW: the .547" Selmer Largo is the same way, at least the two I had were. It's totally counterintuitive to most other trombones. Fine I suppose if it's the only trombone you play, but it's a lot of extra effort to put in when you also regularly play trombones with normal tendencies in those partials. For me, playing that horn in a group was like navigating a minefield.

The Bolero is probably more versatile than the Largo (for me the Largo had the most beautiful solo sound, but stuck out like a sore thumb in a group), being similar to a 3B, but still...not everyone is willing to relearn those partials. So I get it. Lovely horns otherwise.
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by mickael57280 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:33 am

Thank you Finetales.

So a good horn for someone who need a one do it all all around.
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by micka572 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:02 am

Reduced 850
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by mickael57280 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:01 am

Hi, I remove it from sale.

I decided to take it to an another tech, ask him about the partials and he said that sharp D is pretty common but a flat F is very abvious, and maybe it is not so well cleaned or adjusted, so I decided to bet on it and let him tweek it.

Don't know if it's me, if I'm crazy or something like that but now F partial is sharp.

Now the problem is that the slide is sluggish and when I clean the inner slide it is lots of dark green/black on the paper, presume it's because of the cleaning and it will get better.
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by imsevimse » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:25 am

mickael57280 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:01 am
Hi, I remove it from sale.

I decided to take it to an another tech, ask him about the partials and he said that sharp D is pretty common but a flat F is very abvious, and maybe it is not so well cleaned or adjusted, so I decided to bet on it and let him tweek it.

Don't know if it's me, if I'm crazy or something like that but now F partial is sharp.

Now the problem is that the slide is sluggish and when I clean the inner slide it is lots of dark green/black on the paper, presume it's because of the cleaning and it will get better.
There are many chop reasons too, but f partial is sharp on most horns both within the staff and the two ledger f. The latter is more sharp compared to the octave below.

/Tom
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Re: Selmer Bolero

Post by micka572 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:00 am

Yes the F on the staff don't need to be adjusted so much
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