SOLD - Please Delete: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

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SOLD - Please Delete: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Jmindeman » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:26 am

I have a 1965 Olds Opera with f attachment, nickel silver, in pretty much mint condition. It is a wonderfully responsive horn with a resonant sound and a great slide. $1300

If not a sale, I would also be interested in a trade for one of the following horns (in similar condition):
Older Bach 36G (with f attachment, closed wrap)
Older Bach 36B (closed wrap)
Older Bach 42 or 42G (straight horn)
Older Bach 42G LW (with f attachment, closed wrap)
Older Conn 88H or 8H
1960's or 70's King 3BF
1970's King 4BF

Shipping only to the CONUS. Sorry, I do not ship internationally.

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Re: WTT: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Jomaits » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:18 pm

PM Sent
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Re: WTT or Sell: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Jmindeman » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:18 am

Also open to selling this lovely horn.
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Re: WTT or Sell: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by dxhall » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:28 pm

The Operas has bore of .554. I’ve never seen one in the flesh and don’t know of anyone who recorded with one. Can you give a sense of how the Opera’s sound compares to a .562 bass, or a .547 tenor?
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Re: WTT or Sell: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Posaunus » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:51 pm

Jmindeman's Opera is an Olds model O-23. 0.547" bore with a nickel-silver bell.

Olds' nomenclature varied, and was sometimes inconsistent. In the late 1960's Olds also made another F-attachment trombone engraved "Opera" with a 0.554" bore and a red brass bell. (I used one in the early 1970s.) But Olds soon relabeled that model the O-25 and switched the Opera name to the newer O-23 model. I've known the O-25 version to be called called "Symphony" – but have never seen one so engraved.

A few years ago I acquired (for nostalgia reasons) an O-25 – exactly the same as the one labeled Opera that I played in the early 70s, with 0.554" bore, but not engraved Opera. Robert Marsteller (Los Angeles Philharmonic principal trombonist) told me that he had participated in its design. It plays beautifully, and very full-bodied – just like a nice symphonic large-bore tenor should (with the proper mouthpiece). I don't know whether Marsteller ever made any recordings with his Olds.

From a 1973 Olds catalogue:
"The Olds O-25 is a masterful combination of expert engineering working closely with quality craftsmanship. Together, they add up to a horn with the utmost tone and response. The large bore provides superior tone projection and volume while the Red-brass bell adds that dark timbre today's advanced artists are after. The F attachment lets the O-25 double as a bass trombone or as a tenor horn with the flexible trigger feature. The O-25 Tenor Trombone is the perfect instrument for the musician that wants to play his best in every musical style."

I expect Jmindeman's O-23 Opera plays rather like other 0.547" bore trombones.
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Re: WTT or Sell: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by paulyg » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:52 pm

dxhall wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:28 pm
The Operas has bore of .554. I’ve never seen one in the flesh and don’t know of anyone who recorded with one. Can you give a sense of how the Opera’s sound compares to a .562 bass, or a .547 tenor?
I've played a straight one. They are SUPER hot. Apparently lots of people liked recording with them, because they dogpile on the mics.
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Re: WTT or Sell: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by dxhall » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:49 pm

The ‘70 Olds catalogue on Itsabear.com shows an O-23 to have a .554 bore. Would a ‘65 be smaller?
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Re: WTT or Sell: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Jmindeman » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:51 pm

Hi dxhall. My Opera has a resonant sound, somewhat brighter than Large bore horns that are more popular today - Bach 42, Shires, Edwards, etc. I would not call it “hot”, though. It’s light to hold, has a great slide. I believe it’s a .547 bore.
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Re: WTT or Sell: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Jmindeman » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:55 am

Interested buyers, I’d ask $1350.
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Re: FS or Trade: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Jmindeman » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:24 am

Price adjusted to $1300
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Re: FS or Trade: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Jmindeman » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:19 am

Still available.
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Re: FS or Trade: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Jmindeman » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:51 am

Any interest out there for this horn?
I've got it on Ebay as well, but I'd rather work with someone on the Forum.
This Olds is quite a wonderful horn in every way - responsive, resonant, flexible - and cosmetically it is minty. $1300 plus shipping, or a trade.
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Re: FS or Trade: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Bach5G » Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:17 pm

Very cool trombone. Rare and unusual. Curtis Fuller played one for a time, as did Bill Pearce, I think.
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Re: FS or Trade: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by stanzabone » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:25 am

As Bach 5G mentioned, IIRC the late Bill Pearce played a straight, no trigger Opera with a 12C size mpc & a shank adapter. Definitely a non- standard setup, but he got great results!
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Re: FS or Trade: Mint 1965 Olds Opera

Post by Jmindeman » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:20 pm

I would also trade for a Benge 175 in similar condition.
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