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Matt K wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:04 pm Bach 45 would be awesome.

I think the small bore market for this is somewhat underserved. There are tons of 547 pipes available but relatively few 485, 500, and 508 pipes and of course 491,492, & 495 pipes (understandably). Brassark has the 32H replica, Edwards, Rath, and Shires have a few available for some of these sizes. Might be interesting to see if there were any good playing Bach 6 pipes (or 9, I had a great Bach 9 but was too tempted to take the torch to it so I sold it!) for 485 and maybe a good Bach 12 and Conn 6H pipe for comparison.

cozzagiorgi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:36 pm I am thinking about doing recreations of some rare leadpipes. I have some ideas, but some additional input is never bad.

What leadpipes would you like to see being in production again and/or being available in different materials?

dukesboneman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:13 am I have used a number of different leadpipes. My Bach 12G has a Kanstul W6 and I love it. My 36 has an Edwards #2

modelerdc wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:12 am I had a 45B once and the slide seemed identical to a standard 42 slide. I saw a list of the Bach factory parts used on each model horn and I seem to recall that the 42 and 45 used the same lead pipe. Of course even if my memory is correct Bach lead pipes of different vintages may vary...

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:42 am

cozzagiorgi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:36 pm I am thinking about doing recreations of some rare leadpipes. I have some ideas, but some additional input is never bad.

What leadpipes would you like to see being in production again and/or being available in different materials?

How would you go about making these pipes? There's a Ton of R&D that would need to go into properly duplicating lead pipes.

cozzagiorgi wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:14 am

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:42 am

How would you go about making these pipes? There's a Ton of R&D that would need to go into properly duplicating lead pipes.

I can't speak for the technical side of things as I am not an instrument technician. But I have access to a great german trombone builder who told me this would be an easy mission to him.

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:54 am Well that's indeed interesting. My understanding is individual mandrels need to be made to duplicate existing lead pipes. There's also one more step that should be followed. When Larry Minick made lead pipes he asked what mouthpiece you played. Now remember there were far fewer mouthpiece brands when Larry was in his heyday but he wanted to know so he could make the receiver the proper size for insertion depth.
Many others have tried to duplicate lead pipes using various methods. I won't get into anyone specific as some have produced some good pipes. However many of the pipes are failures regarding the idea of being exact duplicates. Hopefully your great german trombone builder will have success. If so he could become a very busy person.

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:54 am
Well that's indeed interesting. My understanding is individual mandrels need to be made to duplicate existing lead pipes. There's also one more step that should be followed. When Larry Minick made lead pipes he asked what mouthpiece you played. Now remember there were far fewer mouthpiece brands when Larry was in his heyday but he wanted to know so he could make the receiver the proper size for insertion depth.
Many others have tried to duplicate lead pipes using various methods. I won't get into anyone specific as some have produced some good pipes. However many of the pipes are failures regarding the idea of being exact duplicates. Hopefully your great german trombone builder will have success. If so he could become a very busy person.

mrdeacon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 am

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:54 am Well that's indeed interesting. My understanding is individual mandrels need to be made to duplicate existing lead pipes. There's also one more step that should be followed. When Larry Minick made lead pipes he asked what mouthpiece you played. Now remember there were far fewer mouthpiece brands when Larry was in his heyday but he wanted to know so he could make the receiver the proper size for insertion depth.
Many others have tried to duplicate lead pipes using various methods. I won't get into anyone specific as some have produced some good pipes. However many of the pipes are failures regarding the idea of being exact duplicates. Hopefully your great german trombone builder will have success. If so he could become a very busy person.

That's my understanding too. The insertion depth is determined by the mandrel and even then the pipes can be inconsistent if it's not done correctly.

As awesome as Chuck's Brasslab pipes are they are definitely not consistent to the same degree to the pipes I've played made on mandrels.

cozzagiorgi wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:50 am

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:54 am
Well that's indeed interesting. My understanding is individual mandrels need to be made to duplicate existing lead pipes. There's also one more step that should be followed. When Larry Minick made lead pipes he asked what mouthpiece you played. Now remember there were far fewer mouthpiece brands when Larry was in his heyday but he wanted to know so he could make the receiver the proper size for insertion depth.
Many others have tried to duplicate lead pipes using various methods. I won't get into anyone specific as some have produced some good pipes. However many of the pipes are failures regarding the idea of being exact duplicates. Hopefully your great german trombone builder will have success. If so he could become a very busy person.

Hm those are interesting points. I'll talk to my guy. See what he thinks about it.
If we could build leadpipes adapted to the major mouthpiece brands (whatever those are...) that could be interesting.

He basically needs to build a tool (a mandrel I think) for each leadpipe model. But once that's done he can be very consistent according to him...