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Practice Room Size

Post by Rrova » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:32 pm

I have the opportunity to build a soundproof room in my basement but I have limited space. Assuming I execute soundproofing and sound absorption correctly, what do you think is the smallest size room that would work. Also, assume the ceiling is 8 feet high.

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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by BGuttman » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:13 pm

Make sure you don't hit the walls with your slide or the back end of the horn. Also, watch ventilation. When you soundproof too well you also airproof.
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by Burgerbob » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:38 pm

I use a room 3 1/2' by 7'. I wouldn't go a lot smaller than that. I have to use earplugs in mine.
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Post by baileyman » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:28 pm

With The Bailey Super Shoosh! mute, the room can be any size. It allows others to hold a conversation in the middle of my session. Great intonation even in pedals.
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Post by TimBrown » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:58 am

My basement practice room is about 15X15 (I just measured it - the reason for this edit). It's too small.

I was careful to soundproof only the areas that needed it; an outside wall and the ceiling. Too much soundproofing and my studio sounds dead. I wanted both a degree of sound-proofing and resonance. I think I have achieved both.
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by Geordie » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:35 am

Whatever size you build allow space for a (small) table and some shelving. Some space for multiple horns on stands, if that’s your thing. Plentiful power sources help. The added overall convenience makes the practice a better experience. That’s what I found anyway.
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by CheeseTray » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:05 pm

I like a slightly dead practice space. I've had mine that way for 30 years. It makes you work a little harder to generate you're own resonance and feel like you're projecting. When you get out in the "real world" you can relax a bit, back off and play easy. It's the musical equivalent of training runs with ankle weights. Mine is 11 x 17 and feels fine. I'll also second the point that the room shouldn't be tied into the HVAC if you have forced air. The system will propagate your sound nicely. :)
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by mrdeacon » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:45 pm

baileyman wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:28 pm
With The Bailey Super Shoosh! mute, the room can be any size. It allows others to hold a conversation in the middle of my session. Great intonation even in pedals.
Wait is this real? haha
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by BGuttman » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:07 am

mrdeacon wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:45 pm
baileyman wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:28 pm
With The Bailey Super Shoosh! mute, the room can be any size. It allows others to hold a conversation in the middle of my session. Great intonation even in pedals.
Wait is this real? haha
It's a development by Baileyman. He doesn't sell them commercially (yet). But if you contact him I'm sure he can demonstrate.
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Post by GBP » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:41 am

I live in a condo and soundproofed a room using a material called QuietRock. It is special drywall that absorbs sound. I can play at normal volumes even in the middle of the night without complaint. I also used mass loaded vinyl and a suspended ceiling with rock wool pumped into the space. I didn’t do a double door, I put a heavier door on instead and that is the only place where sound escapes the room. It is a very quiet setup. I do recommend putting some sound deadening material in the room. The energy produced by playing will have no where to go and metal things start resonating
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by Gary » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:31 pm

baileyman wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:28 pm
With The Bailey Super Shoosh! mute, the room can be any size. It allows others to hold a conversation in the middle of my session. Great intonation even in pedals.
Isn't one reason for having a practice room, in the first place, to be able to play open-horned?

I'm not able to permanently alter the surroundings where I live, but I can use a pre-fab unit. Does anyone have one and/or have any experience with modular units? Thanks.
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by baileyman » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:16 pm

Gary wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:31 pm
baileyman wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:28 pm
With The Bailey Super Shoosh! mute, the room can be any size. It allows others to hold a conversation in the middle of my session. Great intonation even in pedals.
Isn't one reason for having a practice room, in the first place, to be able to play open-horned?

I'm not able to permanently alter the surroundings where I live, but I can use a pre-fab unit. Does anyone have one and/or have any experience with modular units? Thanks.
Sure. Minivans work really great. I would often sit in the back seat with the slide up the aisle. Though the audio guys would say the "reaction function" of the car interior requires a different final mix.
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by Gary » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:36 pm

baileyman wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:16 pm
Sure. Minivans work really great.
LOL. I don't think it'll fit in my apartment.
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by harrisonreed » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:01 pm

Wenger modules are better than no practice room.
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by Gary » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:39 pm

Arigato, Harrison.
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by harrisonreed » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:25 pm

Gary wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:39 pm
Arigato, Harrison.
Are you able to get a Wenger module? If you can, spring for the accoustic system that adds different amounts of reverb. However, that's crazy if you can get one -- those seem seriously expensive, even without the accoustic system.
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by Jimkinkella » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:40 pm

I have an 8x8 unit from a company called VocalBooth (found it used).
It's basically 4x8 sheets of plywood carpeted plus carpeted foam cushioning on the walls and ceiling (plus some misc. structure).
It's got a heavy door and window, as well as a basic ventilation system and foam floor support.
It's more than big enough, and helps to have a shelf with audio system and storage as well as storage for some horns.
You could get away with a 4x6 or so, but any smaller would be difficult.
It works for most things, but moving from that to a gig takes a few minutes to adjust to adjust your ears, sound / attack, and volume.
It is a great help in my apartment, none of my neighbors know I play, and it's probably cost equivalent to properly soundproofing a room.
There are a number of companies building these types of structure, you can google vocal booth / sound booth / acoustic isolation booth, etc.
As far as other apartment dweller trombonists, I know that David Gibson in NYC will occasionally use Kiku's (his wife) booth. I think it's a bit smaller as she's a trumpet player, but they both do use it to record things from their apartment .
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by Gary » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:00 pm

Hey, thanks, Jim. This virus thing has put my practice room plans on hold for now. But thanks for the info. The VocalBooths seem worth looking into. What kind of sound leakage do you have and do you have an opinion regarding their comparison with Wanger?
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Re: Practice Room Size

Post by Jimkinkella » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:47 pm

I measured a 25dB reduction in transmission; the door, recording vents, and ventilation system give you a little bit of leakage. The Wenger is a bit more solid but also more expensive and waaaay heavier. To be perfectly honest anything is better than nothing, and there are a bunch of people out there building the same basic thing. It would be fantastic if you can find someone local that would help you put it together. I would recommend that you find someone that you like, plus or minus a dB or two does not make a difference once you've gone past 12-15. It's totally worth it, especially if you can find something that architecturally fits into your space. I'm about to move into a new apartment, and I think I'm going to veneer the outside of the thing
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