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Outer Slide weight posting

Post by Andre1966tr » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:07 am

I remember a topic on the old tromboneforum named "outer slide weigh in" where owners posted the weight of their trombone slides. I liked that very much. Maybe we can start a new list? Or is there a place where the old topics are listed?

- Yamaha YSL 683G 200 gr (sorry, we use Gramm and Kilogramm) yellow brass
- Conn 78H 254 gr yellow brass
- Besson 630 ( ex Boosey and Hawkes, maybe built by Kühnl and Hoyer in Germany) 200 gr yellow brass

The Yammie fits on the Conn and vice versa, same with the Yamaha 645..
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by walldaja » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:14 pm

I'll bite.

Yamaha 421G (bass) 220 gm

Courtois AC280BO (nickel) 290 gm

Olds Ambassador 190 gm

Never noticed my Yamaha's slide was so much lighter but I did notice the whole horn was lighter than my 0.547 tenor. Must be the bigger bore allowing in more lightweight air--I'm not serious.
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by walldaja » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:16 pm

BTW, my slides are not interchangeable (0.485 / 0.500; 0.547; and 0.563) But the bells of the Yamaha and the Courtios are happy with either slide between them.
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by Burgerbob » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:37 pm

Bach A47: 269
Bach 42: 272
King 3B: 207
Shires B62/78: 278
Edwards V: 285
Conn 112H: 234
Voight F contra: 308
Miraphone BBb contra: 593!

I have always preferred the Shires dual bore slide to my Edwards V (the single bore slide that comes with the B502) because it felt so much lighter. Those few grams make a big difference.

Also surprising is the F contra slide, which is only 20 grams heavier than a bass slide despite being longer and wider.
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by Oslide » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:40 pm

Couldn't find that thread with the search function. I still have the file where I sorted the outer slides by weight, but when I try to paste it in as a reply, the format becomes unrecognizable. If you're really interested in that old listing I could try to upload it somehow.
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by JohnL » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:01 pm

The Wayback Machine is your friend. Most of the time.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140709100 ... 42.60.html

Oslide wrote: Just for fun I compiled the data provided in a listing and added some of my own.
The formatting will go awry somehow, but hopefully it will still be clear enough.


Weight (g) Model Remarks Reporter
94 P-Bone JohnL
161.5 Doubleslyde all carbon fiber doubleslyde
165 K&H Slokar Alto sanfranboner
168 K&H BVL .512 LW all-nickel BiggieSmalls
170 Olds Featherweight Euphanasia
170 Olds Super Featherweight LA, pre-WWII JohnL
176 Schiller (Jinbao) Alto nickel silver dezignstuff
185 Bach 16MLT speaking from memory baileyman
185 Bach 9LT speaking from memory baileyman
185 King 2B Jiggs growlerbox
185 Minick 12 speaking from memory baileyman
187 Rath R2 Richard H
188.6 Bach LT12 dj kennedy
192 King 3B (1965) Richard H
192 Olds P-16 JohnL
195 Leuchter Tenor Sackbut w/ optional Kruspe water key MaestroHound
196 Yamaha 897Z TromboneMonkey
196.8 Courtois Xtreme dj kennedy
198 Bach 12 (1977) Oslide
199 Yamaha 681 wide nickel slide greenbean
200 Conn 14H robcat2075
200 Conn 24HLW (1964) BiggieSmalls
200 Williams Burbank 6 dj kennedy
204 Earl Strickler JohnL
204 Holton Stratodyne Oslide
204.1 Doubleslyde carbon fiber w/ brass crook doubleslyde
205 Bachs (small) speaking from memory, 205-210g baileyman
205 K&K 122 Alto sanfranboner
208 Olds P-15 JohnL
210.5 King 3B custom for splash bell dj kennedy
213 Olds Ambassador (1957) greenbean
213 Yamaha 350C greenbean
214 Conn 6H LW (1965) Oslide
214 King 2B (1960's) RichEKelly
214 King Tempo curvy Tempo greenbean
215 Conn 48H (Elkhart) lightweight slide dezignstuff
215 King 2B (early 1950's) Exzaclee
218 Conn Director 18H nickel slide ConnBone19
218 King Symphony (1485) JohnL
220 King 3B+ current model growlerbox
220 Yamaha 354 greenbean
221 Benge Symphonic 175 Vintage88H
221 Martin Committee (1950's) brass tubes RichEKelly
222.3 Selmer K mod dj kennedy
223 Williams Donelson 4 TromboneMonkey
224 King 3B dj kennedy
225 King 2B+ custom build dj kennedy
226 Olds Super (LA, pre-WWII) JohnL
227 King 3B dj kennedy
227 Martin Urbie Green w/ rubber protector Oslide
227.8 King 3B dj kennedy
228 Conn 4H (1928) Oslide
228 Olds Studio (1955) greenbean
230 Yamaha 446G greenbean
235 King 2B+ Custom made by Eric w/ Edwards lower tube RichEKelly
236 Bach Mercury (1941) Oslide
236 Yamaha 445 greenbean
238 Conn 6H (1959) BiggieSmalls
238 Conn Director 18H (1962) yellow brass slide ConnBone18
239 Martin Committee Oslide
240 Bach 42 brass dj kennedy
240 Olds Recording (1966) JohnL
241 Yamaha 648 greenbean
243 Yamaha 645 greenbean
244 Olds P-24G JohnL
245 Holton TR181 robcat2075
246 Conn 24H (1938) BiggieSmalls
246 Conn 32H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
246 Olds S-24G non-original slide lock lug w/patches JohnL
247 Conn 6H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
249 Bach 36 (1970s) TromboneMonkey
249 Shires B62 sanfranboner
250 Conn 30H MaestroHound
250 King Symphony brace not original, .546 straight bore MaestroHound
250 Yamaha YSL-682G MaestroHound
254 Bach 36 (1960's Elkhart) sanfranboner
255 King 608F MaestroHound
258 Benge Symphonic 190 Vintage88H
258 Conn 88H (late Elkhart) sanfranboner
259 Conn 79H (Elkhart) silver plate dezignstuff
261 Conn 8H/88H (new) greenbean
261 Doubleslyde Kanstul LW brass Doubleslyde doubleslyde
261.5 Voight [500] wide nickle w/ sleeves dj kennedy
263 Conn 88H "C" (1963) BiggieSmalls
264 Conn 2H (1930) fat oversleeves and crook guard Oslide
265 Conn 78H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
265 Conn 88H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
266 Shires TW47 sanfranboner
267 Conn 18H Tait (1925) TIS Oslide
269 Bach 42 (1980's) sanfranboner
269 Jupiter XO 1032 (2012) greenbean
271 Conn 88H "N" (1970) BiggieSmalls
271 Conn 88H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
271 Conn 8HT (525/547) Gen II dezignstuff
272 Conn 88H (early 1970's) greenbean
274 Holton 168 Vintage88H
275 Bach 42 stock dj kennedy
275 Conn 88H (late 1970's) greenbean
276 Conn 8H (late 1960's) greenbean
278 Olds Standard M (1922) TIS Oslide
280 Conn 8H (1949) BiggieSmalls
285 Kanstul 1662i bass TIS MaestroHound
286 Holton TR150 Vintage88H
291 Reynolds Contempora Bass 291 or 260g, depending on the scale donn
300 Kanstul 1662 (TIS) cyclelife
316 Olds Standard Bb-F-E JohnL
328 Olds S-20 (1969) JohnL
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by greenbean » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:11 pm

Wait, two more from that TTF thread:

Conn 70h, 360
Edwards B-DB, 303

Nice work, JohnL. And thanks to Oslide for compiling all the weights on the thread!
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by JohnL » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:38 pm

Here is Oslide's compendium is a neater table format.
Weight (g) Model Remarks Reporter
94 P-Bone JohnL
161.5 Doubleslyde all carbon fiber doubleslyde
165 K and H Slokar Alto sanfranboner
168 KH BVL .512 LW all-nickel BiggieSmalls
170 Olds Featherweight Euphanasia
170 Olds Super Featherweight LA, pre-WWII JohnL
176 Schiller (Jinbao) Alto nickel silver dezignstuff
185 Bach 16MLT speaking from memory baileyman
185 Bach 9LT speaking from memory baileyman
185 King 2B Jiggs growlerbox
185 Minick 12 speaking from memory baileyman
187 Rath R2 Richard H
188.6 Bach LT12 dj kennedy
190 Olds Ambassador walldaja
192 King 3B (1965) Richard H
192 Olds P-16 JohnL
195 Leuchter Tenor Sackbut w/ optional Kruspe water key MaestroHound
196 Yamaha 897Z TromboneMonkey
196.8 Courtois Xtreme dj kennedy
198 Bach 12 (1977) Oslide
199 Yamaha 681 wide nickel slide greenbean
200 Yamaha YSL683G yellow brass Andre1966tr
200 Besson 630 yellow brass, maybe built by K and H Andre1966tr
200 Conn 14H robcat2075
200 Conn 24HLW (1964) BiggieSmalls
200 Williams Burbank 6 dj kennedy
204 Earl Strickler JohnL
204 Holton Stratodyne Oslide
204.1 Doubleslyde carbon fiber w/ brass crook doubleslyde
205 Bachs (small) speaking from memory, 205-210g baileyman
205 K and H 122 Alto sanfranboner
207 King 3B burgerbob
208 Olds P-15 JohnL
210.5 King 3B custom for splash bell dj kennedy
213 Olds Ambassador (1957) greenbean
213 Yamaha 350C greenbean
214 Conn 6H LW (1965) Oslide
214 King 2B (1960's) RichEKelly
214 King Tempo curvy Tempo greenbean
215 Conn 48H (Elkhart) lightweight slide dezignstuff
215 King 2B (early 1950's) Exzaclee
218 Conn Director 18H nickel slide ConnBone19
218 King Symphony (1485) JohnL
220 King 3B+ current model growlerbox
220 Yamaha 421G walldaja
220 Yamaha 354 greenbean
221 Benge Symphonic 175 Vintage88H
221 Martin Committee (1950's) brass tubes RichEKelly
222.3 Selmer K mod dj kennedy
223 Williams Donelson 4 TromboneMonkey
224 King 3B dj kennedy
225 King 2B+ custom build dj kennedy
226 Olds Super (LA, pre-WWII) JohnL
227 King 3B dj kennedy
227 Martin Urbie Green w/ rubber protector Oslide
227.8 King 3B dj kennedy
228 Conn 4H (1928) Oslide
228 Olds Studio (1955) greenbean
230 Yamaha 446G greenbean
234 Conn 112H burgerbob
235 King 2B+ Custom made by Eric w/ Edwards lower tube RichEKelly
236 Bach Mercury (1941) Oslide
236 Yamaha 445 greenbean
238 Conn 6H (1959) BiggieSmalls
238 Conn Director 18H (1962) yellow brass slide ConnBone18
239 Martin Committee Oslide
240 Bach 42b brass dj kennedy
240 Olds Recording (1966) JohnL
241 Yamaha 648 greenbean
243 Yamaha 645 greenbean
244 Olds P-24G JohnL
245 Holton TR181 robcat2075
246 Conn 24H (1938) BiggieSmalls
246 Conn 32H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
246 Olds S-24G non-original slide lock lug w/patches JohnL
247 Conn 6H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
249 Bach 36 (1970s) TromboneMonkey
249 Shires B62 sanfranboner
250 Conn 30H MaestroHound
250 King Symphony brace not original, .546 straight bore MaestroHound
250 Yamaha YSL-682G MaestroHound
254 Conn 78H yellow brass Andre1966tr
254 Bach 36 (1960's Elkhart) sanfranboner
255 King 608F MaestroHound
258 Benge Symphonic 190 Vintage88H
258 Conn 88H (late Elkhart) sanfranboner
259 Conn 79H (Elkhart) silver plate dezignstuff
261 Conn 8H/88H (new) greenbean
261 Doubleslyde Kanstul LW brass Doubleslyde doubleslyde
261.5 Voight [500] wide nickle w/ sleeves dj kennedy
263 Conn 88H "C" (1963) BiggieSmalls
264 Conn 2H (1930) fat oversleeves and crook guard Oslide
265 Conn 78H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
265 Conn 88H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
266 Shires TW47 sanfranboner
267 Conn 18H Tait (1925) TIS Oslide
269 Bach 42 (1980's) sanfranboner
269 Jupiter XO 1032 (2012) greenbean
269 Bach A47 burgerbob
271 Conn 88H "N" (1970) BiggieSmalls
271 Conn 88H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
271 Conn 8HT (525/547) Gen II dezignstuff
272 Conn 88H (early 1970's) greenbean
272 Bach 42 burgerbob
274 Holton 168 Vintage88H
275 Bach 42 stock dj kennedy
275 Conn 88H (late 1970's) greenbean
276 Conn 8H (late 1960's) greenbean
278 Shires B62/78 burgerbob
278 Olds Standard M (1922) TIS Oslide
280 Conn 8H (1949) BiggieSmalls
285 Kanstul 1662i bass TIS MaestroHound
285 Edwards V burgerbob
286 Holton TR150 Vintage88H
290 Courtois AC280BO nickel walldaja
291 Reynolds Contempora Bass 291 or 260g, depending on the scale donn
300 Kanstul 1662 (TIS) cyclelife
303 Edwards B-DB
308 Voight F Contra burgerbob
316 Olds Standard Bb-F-E JohnL
328 Olds S-20 (1969) JohnL
360 Conn 70H
593 Miraphone BBb Contra burgerbob
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by Oslide » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:13 am

Thank you, JohnL ! :good: :hi:
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by afugate » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:58 am

This seems like a great entry for the Trombone Chat Wiki.

Don't know if anyone else is having trouble, but I can't see to login to the wiki portion of the site. :( (I've emailed Matt about the problem I'm having.)

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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by Andre1966tr » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:19 am

Great!! Thank you all... :good:
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by walldaja » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:26 am

I would have never noticed how heavy my slide was except for this information. Thanks for the great work!
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by JohnL » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:38 am

afugate wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:58 am
This seems like a great entry for the Trombone Chat Wiki.
In a perfect world, it would be in a nice, sortable table.

Given that this is gathered from many sources, there's bound to be some bad data. There's also some models (Conn 70H!) that were produced in several different configurations and it'd be nice to know which version was weighed.
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by cctbone » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:27 am

Bach 6 (‘33 NY std. brass) 233
Bach 6 (‘36 NY std. brass, mod .485-.509) 249
Bach 12 (‘70s Corp, std. brass) 231
Bach 36 (‘40 NY, std. brass) 277
Conn 6H (‘66 std. brass, Elkhart) 251
Conn 6H (‘60s std. brass, Elkhart) 233
Conn 70H (‘52 std. brass TIS) 360
King Liberty ( ‘39, std. brass, mod .481-.500) 231
King 2b+, 2115 (‘84 lw gold brass) 225
King 2b+ (~2005, lw yellow brass) 213
Rath R10 (lw nickel) 173
Schmelzer 1 (std. nickel) 237
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by RichEKelly » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:02 pm

84 grams for the .500 Butler Carbon Fiber outer for my 2B+.
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by JohnL » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:38 am

Updated
Weight (g) Model Remarks Reporter
84 Butler Carbon Fiber (for 2B+) RichEKelly
94 P-Bone JohnL
161.5 Doubleslyde all carbon fiber doubleslyde
165 K and H Slokar Alto sanfranboner
168 KH BVL .512 LW all-nickel BiggieSmalls
170 Olds Featherweight Euphanasia
170 Olds Super Featherweight LA, pre-WWII JohnL
173 Rath R10 lw nickel cctbone
176 Schiller (Jinbao) Alto nickel silver dezignstuff
185 Bach 16MLT speaking from memory baileyman
185 Bach 9LT speaking from memory baileyman
185 King 2B Jiggs growlerbox
185 Minick 12 speaking from memory baileyman
187 Rath R2 Richard H
188.6 Bach LT12 dj kennedy
190 Olds Ambassador walldaja
192 King 3B (1965) Richard H
192 Olds P-16 JohnL
195 Leuchter Tenor Sackbut w/ optional Kruspe water key MaestroHound
196 Yamaha 897Z TromboneMonkey
196.8 Courtois Xtreme dj kennedy
198 Bach 12 (1977) Oslide
199 Yamaha 681 wide nickel slide greenbean
200 Yamaha YSL683G yellow brass Andre1966tr
200 Besson 630 yellow brass, maybe built by K and H Andre1966tr
200 Conn 14H robcat2075
200 Conn 24HLW (1964) BiggieSmalls
200 Williams Burbank 6 dj kennedy
204 Earl Strickler JohnL
204 Holton Stratodyne Oslide
204.1 Doubleslyde carbon fiber w/ brass crook doubleslyde
205 Bachs (small) speaking from memory, 205-210g baileyman
205 KK 122 Alto sanfranboner
207 King 3B burgerbob
208 Olds P-15 JohnL
210.5 King 3B custom for splash bell dj kennedy
213 Olds Ambassador (1957) greenbean
213 Yamaha 350C greenbean
213 King 2B+ ~2005, lw yellow brass cctbone
214 Conn 6H LW (1965) Oslide
214 King 2B (1960's) RichEKelly
214 King Tempo curvy Tempo greenbean
215 Conn 48H (Elkhart) lightweight slide dezignstuff
215 King 2B (early 1950's) Exzaclee
218 Conn Director 18H nickel slide ConnBone19
218 King Symphony (1485) JohnL
220 King 3B+ current model growlerbox
220 Yamaha 421G walldaja
220 Yamaha 354 greenbean
221 Benge Symphonic 175 Vintage88H
221 Martin Committee (1950's) brass tubes RichEKelly
222.3 Selmer K mod dj kennedy
223 Williams Donelson 4 TromboneMonkey
224 King 3B dj kennedy
225 King 2B+ custom build dj kennedy
225 King 2B+/2115 ‘84 lw gold brass
226 Olds Super (LA, pre-WWII) JohnL
227 King 3B dj kennedy
227 Martin Urbie Green w/ rubber protector Oslide
227.8 King 3B dj kennedy
228 Conn 4H (1928) Oslide
228 Olds Studio (1955) greenbean
230 Yamaha 446G greenbean
231 Bach 12 ‘70s Corp, std. brass cctbone
231 King Liberty ‘39, std. brass, mod
.481-.500
cctbone
233 Bach 6 ‘33 NY std. brass cctbone
233 Conn 6H ‘60s std. brass, Elkhart cctbone
234 Conn 112H burgerbob
235 King 2B+ Custom made by Eric w/ Edwards lower tube RichEKelly
236 Bach Mercury (1941) Oslide
236 Yamaha 445 greenbean
237 Schmelzer 1 std. nickel cctbone
238 Conn 6H (1959) BiggieSmalls
238 Conn Director 18H (1962) yellow brass slide ConnBone18
239 Martin Committee Oslide
240 Bach 42b brass dj kennedy
240 Olds Recording (1966) JohnL
241 Yamaha 648 greenbean
243 Yamaha 645 greenbean
244 Olds P-24G JohnL
245 Holton TR181 robcat2075
246 Conn 24H (1938) BiggieSmalls
246 Conn 32H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
246 Olds S-24G non-original slide lock lug w/patches JohnL
247 Conn 6H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
249 Bach 36 (1970s) TromboneMonkey
249 Shires B62 sanfranboner
249 Bach 6 ‘36 NY std. brass, mod .485-.509 cctbone
250 Conn 30H MaestroHound
250 King Symphony brace not original, .546 straight bore MaestroHound
250 Yamaha YSL-682G MaestroHound
251 Conn 6H ‘66 std. brass, Elkhart cctbone
254 Conn 78H yellow brass Andre1966tr
254 Bach 36 (1960's Elkhart) sanfranboner
255 King 608F MaestroHound
258 Benge Symphonic 190 Vintage88H
258 Conn 88H (late Elkhart) sanfranboner
259 Conn 79H (Elkhart) silver plate dezignstuff
261 Conn 8H/88H (new) greenbean
261 Doubleslyde Kanstul LW brass Doubleslyde doubleslyde
261.5 Voight (500) wide nickle w/ sleeves dj kennedy
263 Conn 88H "C" (1963) BiggieSmalls
264 Conn 2H (1930) fat oversleeves and crook guard Oslide
265 Conn 78H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
265 Conn 88H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
266 Shires TW47 sanfranboner
267 Conn 18H Tait (1925) TIS Oslide
269 Bach 42 (1980's) sanfranboner
269 Jupiter XO 1032 (2012) greenbean
269 Bach A47 burgerbob
271 Conn 88H "N" (1970) BiggieSmalls
271 Conn 88H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
271 Conn 8HT (525/547) Gen II dezignstuff
272 Conn 88H (early 1970's) greenbean
272 Bach 42 burgerbob
274 Holton 168 Vintage88H
275 Bach 42 stock dj kennedy
275 Conn 88H (late 1970's) greenbean
276 Conn 8H (late 1960's) greenbean
277 Bach 36 ‘40 NY, std. brass cctbone
278 Shires B62/78 burgerbob
278 Olds Standard M (1922) TIS Oslide
280 Conn 8H (1949) BiggieSmalls
285 Kanstul 1662i bass TIS MaestroHound
285 Edwards V burgerbob
286 Holton TR150 Vintage88H
290 Courtois AC280BO nickel walldaja
291 Reynolds Contempora Bass 291 or 260g, depending on the scale donn
300 Kanstul 1662 (TIS) cyclelife
303 Edwards B-DB bigbassbone1
308 Voight F Contra burgerbob
316 Olds Standard Bb-F-E JohnL
328 Olds S-20 (1969) JohnL
360 Conn 70H bigbassbone1
360 Conn 70H ‘52 std. brass TIS cctbone
593 Miraphone BBb Contra burgerbob
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by Oslide » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:45 am

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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by Chatname » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:59 am

So obviously my kitchen weight scale is way off (which would account for some baking disasters);
my M&W gold brass slide weighed 636 grams...
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by JohnL » Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:07 pm

Chatname wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:59 am
So obviously my kitchen weight scale is way off (which would account for some baking disasters);
my M&W gold brass slide weighed 636 grams...
Just the outer slide?

You should check your scale with a known weight...
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by Kingfan » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:17 pm

197 grams King Tempo 606 (1987)
243 grams King 4B (1972)
328 grams Holton Tr180 (70s) - not original inners and outers.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are still missing! :D
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by Chatname » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:03 pm

Aha, outer slide only! Then the numbers make more sense! My M&W slide is at work now but I have a Shires TW2547LW at home, weighs in at 232 grams.
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Re: Slide weight posting

Post by JohnL » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:19 pm

Chatname wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:03 pm
Aha, outer slide only! Then the numbers make more sense!
Would one of the mods be so kind as to change the name of this thread to include "outer"?
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Post by BGuttman » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:42 pm

Done.
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by Mikebmiller » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:48 am

Butler CF slide - 0.00 (almost)
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Post by Chatname » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:49 am

M&W wide yellow brass slide 287grams
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by MalecHeermans » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:20 am

Shires regular weight .525 - 260G

Shires regular weight .508 - 234G

Lawler all brass .500 - 187G
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by rmb796 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:24 pm

Thank you John for your great and interesting chart of the slide weights. I printed it out to keep!!
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by Burgerbob » Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:37 pm

Bach 50 with nickel crook: 276

Edwards TBCN: 279
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by Tbarh » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:03 am

1921 Conn 78H : 269grams... Surprised at this.. Long, heavy sleeves and red brass... Would have thought it weighed more..
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by FEWeathers » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:25 pm

Courtois AC130 Alto: 162
Conn 4H LW (1949): 187
Conn 4H (1955): 236
Conn 30H (1933): 252
Olds Super (1937): 238
Olds Standard (1946): 222
Olds Super (1947): 208
Olds Recording (1950, red brass): 249
Old Recording (1955, nickel silver): 255
Olds P-22 GR Model (1977): 266
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by JohnL » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:53 pm

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Weight (g) Model Remarks Reporter
84 Butler Carbon Fiber (for 2B+) RichEKelly
94 P-Bone JohnL
161.5 Doubleslyde all carbon fiber doubleslyde
162 Courtois AC130 Alto FEWeathers
165 K and H Slokar Alto sanfranboner
168 KH BVL .512 LW all-nickel BiggieSmalls
170 Olds Featherweight Euphanasia
170 Olds Super Featherweight LA, pre-WWII JohnL
173 Rath R10 lw nickel cctbone
176 Schiller (Jinbao) Alto nickel silver dezignstuff
185 Bach 16MLT speaking from memory baileyman
185 Bach 9LT speaking from memory baileyman
185 King 2B Jiggs growlerbox
185 Minick 12 speaking from memory baileyman
187 Rath R2 Richard H
187 Conn 4H LW 1949 FEWeathers
187 Lawler .500" all brass MalecHeermans
188.6 Bach LT12 dj kennedy
190 Olds Ambassador walldaja
192 King 3B (1965) Richard H
192 Olds P-16 JohnL
195 Leuchter Tenor Sackbut w/ optional Kruspe water key MaestroHound
196 Yamaha 897Z TromboneMonkey
196.8 Courtois Xtreme dj kennedy
197 King Tempo 606 Kingfan
198 Bach 12 (1977) Oslide
199 Yamaha 681 wide nickel slide greenbean
200 Yamaha YSL683G yellow brass Andre1966tr
200 Besson 630 yellow brass, maybe built by K and H Andre1966tr
200 Conn 14H robcat2075
200 Conn 24HLW (1964) BiggieSmalls
200 Williams Burbank 6 dj kennedy
204 Earl Strickler JohnL
204 Holton Stratodyne Oslide
204.1 Doubleslyde carbon fiber w/ brass crook doubleslyde
205 Bachs (small) speaking from memory, 205-210g baileyman
205 KK 122 Alto sanfranboner
207 King 3B Burgerbob
208 Olds P-15 JohnL
208 Olds Super 1947 FEWeathers
210.5 King 3B custom for splash bell dj kennedy
213 Olds Ambassador (1957) greenbean
213 Yamaha 350C greenbean
213 King 2B+ ~2005, lw yellow brass cctbone
214 Conn 6H LW (1965) Oslide
214 King 2B (1960's) RichEKelly
214 King Tempo curvy Tempo greenbean
215 Conn 48H (Elkhart) lightweight slide dezignstuff
215 King 2B (early 1950's) Exzaclee
218 Conn Director 18H nickel slide ConnBone19
218 King Symphony (1485) JohnL
220 King 3B+ current model growlerbox
220 Yamaha 421G walladja
220 Yamaha 354 greenbean
221 Benge Symphonic 175 Vintage88H
221 Martin Committee (1950's) brass tubes RichEKelly
222 Olds Standard 1946 FEWeathers
222.3 Selmer K mod dj kennedy
223 Williams Donelson 4 TromboneMonkey
224 King 3B dj kennedy
225 King 2B+ custom build dj kennedy
225 King 2B+/2115 ‘84 lw gold brass
226 Olds Super (LA, pre-WWII) JohnL
227 King 3B dj kennedy
227 Martin Urbie Green w/ rubber protector Oslide
227.8 King 3B dj kennedy
228 Conn 4H (1928) Oslide
228 Olds Studio (1955) greenbean
230 Yamaha 446G greenbean
231 Bach 12 ‘70s Corp, std. brass cctbone
231 King Liberty ‘39, std. brass, mod
.481-.500
cctbone
232 Shires TW2547LW Chatname
233 Bach 6 ‘33 NY std. brass cctbone
233 Conn 6H ‘60s std. brass, Elkhart cctbone
234 Conn 112H Burgerbob
234 Shires .508 MalecHeermans
235 King 2B+ Custom made by Eric w/ Edwards lower tube RichEKelly
236 Bach Mercury (1941) Oslide
236 Conn 4H 1955 FEWeathers
236 Yamaha 445 greenbean
237 Schmelzer 1 std. nickel cctbone
238 Conn 6H (1959) BiggieSmalls
238 Olds Super 1937 FEWeathers
238 Conn Director 18H (1962) yellow brass slide ConnBone18
239 Martin Committee Oslide
240 Bach 42b brass dj kennedy
240 Olds Recording (1966) JohnL
241 Yamaha 648 greenbean
243 Yamaha 645 greenbean
243 King 4B 1972 Kingfan
244 Olds P-24G JohnL
245 Holton TR181 robcat2075
246 Conn 24H (1938) BiggieSmalls
246 Conn 32H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
246 Olds S-24G non-original slide lock lug w/patches JohnL
247 Conn 6H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
249 Bach 36 (1970s) TromboneMonkey
249 Shires B62 sanfranboner
249 Bach 6 ‘36 NY std. brass, mod .485-.509 cctbone
249 Olds Recording 1950, red brass outers FEWeathers
250 Conn 30H MaestroHound
250 King Symphony brace not original, .546 straight bore MaestroHound
250 Yamaha YSL-682G MaestroHound
251 Conn 6H ‘66 std. brass, Elkhart cctbone
252 Conn 30H 1933 FEWeathers
254 Conn 78H yellow brass Andre1966tr
254 Bach 36 (1960's Elkhart) sanfranboner
255 King 608F MaestroHound
255 Olds Recording 1955; nickel silver outers FEWeathers
258 Benge Symphonic 190 Vintage88H
258 Conn 88H (late Elkhart) sanfranboner
259 Conn 79H (Elkhart) silver plate dezignstuff
260 Shires .525" regular weight MalecHeermans
261 Conn 8H/88H (new) greenbean
261 Doubleslyde Kanstul LW brass Doubleslyde doubleslyde
261.5 Voight (500) wide nickle w/ sleeves dj kennedy
263 Conn 88H "C" (1963) BiggieSmalls
264 Conn 2H (1930) fat oversleeves and crook guard Oslide
265 Conn 78H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
265 Conn 88H (1965) Elkhart Vintage88H
266 Shires TW47 sanfranboner
266 Olds P-22 George Roberts 1977 FEWeathers
267 Conn 18H Tait (1925) TIS Oslide
269 Bach 42 1980's sanfranboner
269 Conn 78H Long, heavy sleeves and red brass Tbarh
269 Jupiter XO 1032 (2012) greenbean
269 Bach A47 Burgerbob
271 Conn 88H "N" (1970) BiggieSmalls
271 Conn 88H (Elkhart) dezignstuff
271 Conn 8HT (525/547) Gen II dezignstuff
272 Conn 88H (early 1970's) greenbean
272 Bach 42 Burgerbob
274 Holton 168 Vintage88H
275 Bach 42 stock dj kennedy
275 Conn 88H (late 1970's) greenbean
276 Conn 8H (late 1960's) greenbean
276 Bach 50 nickel silver crook Burgerbob
277 Bach 36 ‘40 NY, std. brass cctbone
278 Shires B62/78 Burgerbob
278 Olds Standard M (1922) TIS Oslide
279 Edwards TBCN Burgerbob
280 Conn 8H (1949) BiggieSmalls
285 Kanstul 1662i bass TIS MaestroHound
285 Edwards V Burgerbob
286 Holton TR150 Vintage88H
287 M&W wide yellow brass slide Chatname
290 Courtois AC280BO nickel walldaja
291 Reynolds Contempora Bass 291 or 260g, depending on the scale donn
300 Kanstul 1662 (TIS) cyclelife
303 Edwards B-DB bigbassbone1
308 Voight F Contra Burgerbob
316 Olds Standard Bb-F-E JohnL
328 Olds S-20 (1969) JohnL
328 Holton TR180 Replacement tubes Kingfan
360 Conn 70H bigbassbone1
360 Conn 70H ‘52 std. brass TIS cctbone
593 Miraphone BBb Contra Burgerbob
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by JohnL » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:54 pm

Chatname wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:49 am
M&W wide yellow brass slide 287grams
more details?
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by RoscoTrombone » Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:42 am

I'd like to add a couple.

Conn 110H circa 1995 252g all Rose.

B&S Sarastro Bass 2016 301g nickel with gold bow.

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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by Swedbone » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:07 pm

Hi!

Just found this topic, very interesting to read through all the different weights!

I weighed the outers of my Shires B62NLW-slide and it was 266 grams. But I should mention that I didn’t remove the leather handguard.

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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by bcschipper » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:50 am

259g Kruspe Weschke 1920‘s, gold brass with silver nickel, siphon
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by Arrowhead » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:34 am

Some of those numbers look a bit off. The King 3B slide is definitely not a lightweight slide. Neither is the Super. Are you sure those numbers are accurate?
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by bcschipper » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:17 pm

The weight of the slides for different instruments of the "same" models may differ slightly. So it would be good to collect measurements for many instruments of the same model. This would also make individual measurement errors less important (and perhaps easy to spot). It would also tell us which manufacturers build slides more consistently.
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by Burgerbob » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:20 pm

Arrowhead wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:34 am
Some of those numbers look a bit off. The King 3B slide is definitely not a lightweight slide. Neither is the Super. Are you sure those numbers are accurate?
On the 3B slides on the chart? 3B isn't light, but it's not heavy. Looks right to me.
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by JohnL » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:30 pm

Arrowhead wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:34 am
Some of those numbers look a bit off. The King 3B slide is definitely not a lightweight slide. Neither is the Super. Are you sure those numbers are accurate?
I'm sure my numbers are accurate (within the limits of my scale, which is not certified). I neither stake claim to nor accept responsibility for the others. All I did was organize them into a table.

Would it be possible to have something better? Sure. Certified, calibrated scales. Serial numbers. Make sure the data is for unmodified slides that are perfectly clean and dry and have never been refinished. Just plain lots more data points. But this is the data we have.

As for Super slides? They're lighter than they look.
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by BrexWindWright » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:10 pm

My Butler CF slide for a King DG (6B)is 98g (Saturn water key)
Fix it. Make it better.
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by Klimchak » Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:50 am

Regarding 3B slides, depends on when they were manufactured. Older ones have oversleeves and are heavier. Newer ones (maybe mid-70s on, though not sure when they started doing this) have double drawn outers with no oversleeves. These are definitely lighter than their older counterparts.
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by LeTromboniste » Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:40 pm

Egger tenor sackbut, standard Hainlein model, 217g
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by Burgerbob » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:45 pm

The only one sticking out to me is the Holton 180 slide weighing in at more than almost everything on the list. What the replacement tubes, kitchen sink drain parts?
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Re: Outer Slide weight posting

Post by LeTromboniste » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:29 am

Early 90's Bach 42 LT slide with bronze M/K crook: 228g.

I'd be curious to see what a stock LT slide weights in at and whether the crook makes a notable difference or not (maybe a few grams but nothing significant I would guess). In any case interesting that it's around 40 grams lighter than the standard 42 slide and near the bottom of the scale in the same range as small bore horns.
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