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New axe for me

Post by bigbandbone » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:19 am

I finally had to kick my yamaha 421G bass bone to the curb. It was the strangest thing. I would have to have the tuning slide pulled soooo far out it was almost falling off and I was still a little sharp! Luckily the internet seller I bought it from has a good return policy!

I just received a new to me vintage 1963 Elkhart made Conn 72H bass bone. Found it on the Sam Ash used gear site. Carlos at Sam Ash Huston was a pleasure to deal with.

Wow, this ones a keeper! Right in tune with the tuning slide pulled about 3/4". Great flexibility. Trigger notes centered and clear. Playing it with a Bach 4G right now, but I'm on the hunt for something that will give me more edge/presence.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by BGuttman » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:38 am

Try to find a Conn3B. It has the right moutpiece shank and is designed for that horn.

Good luck with it.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by walldaja » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:10 am

Sorry you had issues with your 421G. Glad you found a horn that appeals to you.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by Finetales » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:19 am

Welcome to the 72H club, it's a nice place to be. Mine is also a '63.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by bigbandbone » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:29 am

Finetales wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:19 am
Welcome to the 72H club, it's a nice place to be. Mine is also a '63.
What's your mouthpiece choice?
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Re: New axe for me

Post by Bach5G » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:53 am

Nice.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by Vegasbound » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:08 am

Send blast a message as he plays old conn bass bones, but a mt Vernon Bach 2g. Would work
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Re: New axe for me

Post by BGuttman » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:44 am

Blast has a connection issue. He' temporarily going by the name Fossil. Still the same guy.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by Finetales » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:20 pm

bigbandbone wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:29 am
Finetales wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:19 am
Welcome to the 72H club, it's a nice place to be. Mine is also a '63.
What's your mouthpiece choice?
I use a Warburton 2-piece, about the size of a Schilke 58.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by Slidemo » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:13 pm

You need "Remington shank" aka B&S taper mouthpieces to make these old Elkhart horns sing!

Pieces in the 1.5G/2G range are also a good fit.

Personally I'd go with a Doug Elliott. Good luck in your search 😀
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Re: New axe for me

Post by FOSSIL » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:34 pm

These horns work best with the smaller 'classic' mouthpieces.... like the Bach 2G and 1 1/2G.... your 4G will give plenty of edge and presence, but the low register will be hard. Cheap end, the Faxx 1 1/2G is great... mid range price, the Bachs, or if you are feeling rich, I use a Symington 1.5

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Re: New axe for me

Post by Posaunus » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:11 pm

You might also have good luck with an older (long-shank) Schilke 58 which I believe should fit well (better than the Bach pieces) with the "Remington" taper of the 72H receiver. Often available used at a reasonable price.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by FOSSIL » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:49 am

Symingtons can be had with the correct taper. The 72H can be pretty tolerant of Bach shanks anyway and you can often improve these Conns with a change of leadpipe.

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Re: New axe for me

Post by bigbandbone » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:41 am

Would one of the Remington mouthpieces that came with an 88H be a good place to star, or would that be too small?
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Re: New axe for me

Post by BGuttman » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:56 am

bigbandbone wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:41 am
Would one of the Remington mouthpieces that came with an 88H be a good place to star, or would that be too small?
Too small. It's more like a 5G. If you are near me in New Hampshire I have one you could try for free.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by bigbandbone » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:50 am

BGuttman wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:56 am
bigbandbone wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:41 am
Would one of the Remington mouthpieces that came with an 88H be a good place to star, or would that be too small?
Too small. It's more like a 5G. If you are near me in New Hampshire I have one you could try for free.
Thanks for the offer, but I'm in Ohio.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by bigbandbone » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:00 pm

What ill affects, if any, will using a Morris taper mouthpiece instead of a Remington shank mouthpiece have on the way the horn plays? All my Bach large shanks fit without any wobble. But my face does seem noticeably closer to my left hand than I'm used to.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by BGuttman » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:26 pm

It's Morse (like in Samuel F.B.). You can force Morse taper shanks into the B&S taper leadpipe, but you may find some of the partials don't line up nicely (requires adjustment of the slide position for certain notes). Then again, you may not even notice that if you aren't really sensitive.

And yes, the Morse taper shank fits a bit farther into the receiver than a B&S taper shank.
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Re: New axe for me

Post by Vegasbound » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:40 pm

An old 51d will have the remmington shank as that's what they where designed for

The remmington mouthpiece as mentioned is about 5g size

Or work with Doug Ekkiott he makes a great conn shank
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