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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat May 10, 2008 4:26 am

A Jack Teagarden cartoon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQHiBS95 ... re=related

Very nice trombone playing, Does he sing in this as well?
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Post by ttf_zemry » Sun May 11, 2008 4:19 am

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Post by ttf_zemry » Sun May 11, 2008 4:27 am

UHOP-United House of Prayer trombonist

http://youtube.com/watch/v/AhH7CZMriCc&feature=related
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Post by ttf_zemry » Sun May 11, 2008 4:29 am

Appropriate for a Sunday morning!

Madison New Life Bid Farewell to Bishop Daddy Madison 4/14/8

http://youtube.com/watch/v/8tOYymAo0hs&feature=related
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Post by ttf_Silver3B » Sun May 11, 2008 8:56 am

QuoteMadison New Life Bid Farewell to Bishop Daddy Madison 4/14/8Just beautiful!
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Mon May 12, 2008 6:27 am

Quote from: zemry on May 11, 2008, 04:29AMAppropriate for a Sunday morning!

Madison New Life Bid Farewell to Bishop Daddy Madison 4/14/8

http://youtube.com/watch/v/8tOYymAo0hs&feature=related

Hey Zemry,

Thanks for the reminder.  I watched this with my first cup of coffee this am and remembered that I can FEEL music.....and it feels good. 

DG
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Post by ttf_ctingle » Mon May 12, 2008 2:47 pm

Whew!!

Quote from: D Gibson on May 12, 2008, 06:27AMHey Zemry,

Thanks for the reminder.  I watched this with my first cup of coffee this am and remembered that I can FEEL music.....and it feels good. 

DG

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Post by ttf_janettem » Mon May 12, 2008 5:01 pm

Are these guys awesome or what? Image Image Image Image Image Image Image Image
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Tue May 13, 2008 2:00 pm

Not youtube....but check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7395043.stm

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Post by ttf_anonymous » Thu May 15, 2008 9:43 am

Now it's on YouTube.. 

12 year old plays the snot of the Tomasi...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tl5eBZugpk

congrats, dude..

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Post by ttf_marty nichols » Fri May 16, 2008 3:36 am

Quote from: zemry on May 11, 2008, 04:27AMUHOP-United House of Prayer trombonist

http://youtube.com/watch/v/AhH7CZMriCc&feature=related

Just curious. Does anyone else notice that the United House Of Prayer players
have a certain "different" approach to the trombone than we are accustomed to hearing?
Something in "the attack." ???

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Post by ttf_zemry » Fri May 16, 2008 4:43 am

Quote from: marty nichols on May 16, 2008, 03:36AMJust curious. Does anyone else notice that the United House Of Prayer players
have a certain "different" approach to the trombone than we are accustomed to hearing?
Something in "the attack." ???

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http://www.esnips.com/web/jazztrombone


The major difference that I discern is that the playing style is very similar to the vocal style in the African-American churches.
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Post by ttf_Dan H. » Fri May 16, 2008 7:07 am

He's doing what the trombone does best... singing. And he's doing it quite soulfully!
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Fri May 16, 2008 8:16 am

Quote from: zemry on May 16, 2008, 04:43AMThe major difference that I discern is that the playing style is very similar to the vocal style in the African-American churches.


I think what I hear is the fact that many "trombonists" have a mental editing process that calculates all of the physical variables and determines how successful we'll be in achieving our goals.  We rarely do this when we use our voices in conversation, unless we have a cold or some other ailment that affects our voice.  It seems that the trombone, in the hands of the musicians we heard, is simply and extension of one's voice.  There is no editing process.  The narcissistic tendency of "trombonists" to admire their every attack is akin to those who love the sound of their own voice.  We aren't usually interested in what those folks have to say.  The musicians that we hear in this clip seem to be much more concerned with communicating their message than with the sound of their own voices. 

I, for one, got the message.  Thanks again, Zemry.

DG
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Post by ttf_LX » Fri May 16, 2008 9:18 am

Quote The musicians that we hear in this clip seem to be much more concerned with communicating their message than with the sound of their own voices. 
I totally get what you're saying, Dave, and in many musical settings [not often enough,I'm afraid] it is the truth. I have a pet peave about players who only like to listen to players who have a "dark" or an "orchestral" sound--as we all know THAT is the stuff of endless debate.

But I also find that in certain situations, "the sound of the voice" conveys meaning too.

For instance [although I don't always like using this word], a player may have developed and then may choose from a variety of different ways of "attacking" a note just as an improvisor can choose from many different notes. Those choices can convey meaning too.

Yes, some of us can get caught up in that one element and lose the forest for the trees, but other people choose to ignore certain elements of the music within the music too.

I think it depends on what we are listening for and what we hear in music.

By the way, I LOVE the UHOP stuff and sat mesmerized listening to each of these videos.

Vive la difference!
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Fri May 16, 2008 9:47 am

Quote from: LX on May 16, 2008, 09:18AMI totally get what you're saying, Dave, and in many musical settings [not often enough,I'm afraid] it is the truth. I have a pet peave about players who only like to listen to players who have a "dark" or an "orchestral" sound--as we all know THAT is the stuff of endless debate.

But I also find that in certain situations, "the sound of the voice" conveys meaning too.

For instance [although I don't always like using this word], a player may have developed and then may choose from a variety of different ways of "attacking" a note just as an improvisor can choose from many different notes. Those choices can convey meaning too.

Yes, some of us can get caught up in that one element and lose the forest for the trees, but other people choose to ignore certain elements of the music within the music too.

I think it depends on what we are listening for and what we hear in music.

By the way, I LOVE the UHOP stuff and sat mesmerized listening to each of these videos.

Vive la difference!


Alex,

I think we are on the same page here.  I agree that different articulations and timbres can be emotionally communicative.  I guess it's where those devices occur in the overall agenda of the player that are the qualifier for me.  If one is attempting to manipulate the emotions of the listener by employing different tonal changes and types of articulation, then there is the potential for pandering insincerity.  But, if those timbral changes in one's presentation occur within the context of a broader agenda to communicate a message, then sincerity and truth ring through to my ears.

If I am angry or happy or upset, it is evident in my voice without me trying to make my voice quiver or shake or be raspy or whatever.  An observer can hear my mood in my voice.  Similarly, a listener can hear the mood of one's message through the instrument.  Paying too much attention to the vocal inflections for their own sake is a slippery slope, imho.  Certainly, a student may do such things to broaden their palette of timbral expression, but it may eventually become part of their pattern of musical speech.  To continue to focus on it could be a speed bump on the way to the truth. 

just my thoughts as I look for my own truth. 

DG 
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Post by ttf_marty nichols » Fri May 16, 2008 11:16 am

Very perspicacious replies to my question about the UHOP
style trombones.  Image

I expose my own talents at the following link. Click "listen."
I'm definitely a glutton for punishment, but I am starving for an audience these days.
 Image That's very obvious on reflection.  Image

http://esnips.com/web/May-15-session
http://esnips.com/web/jazztrombone
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Post by ttf_puma » Mon May 19, 2008 11:49 am

Interesting youtube showing the sound of Tuba Mirum from the perspective of the trombone section:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfmb2R_d ... re=related
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:45 pm

Me and my son...self-explanatory, I'd say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvo1r5zwgmk


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Post by ttf_zemry » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:30 am

Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Jun 09, 2008, 03:45PMMe and my son...self-explanatory, I'd say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvo1r5zwgmk


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Nice job of baby-sitting!!
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Post by ttf_zemry » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:32 am

Count Basie, KIDNEY STEW. Check out Al Grey and Vic Dickenson! Al Grey is, in my subjective opinion, the greatest big band trombone soloist ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/MR7JB9-oUVk
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Post by ttf_marty nichols » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:05 am

Formidable!
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Post by ttf_zemry » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:07 am

Check out Al Grey playing jazz on marching trombone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/lEWS0E8m ... re=related
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Post by ttf_ctingle » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:22 am

If that isn't some kind of father's day commercial, we as bonistas will never get across to our public, our peeps...

Beautiful!  Your kid is going to pick up the horn and expect easy high F's out of the box - and probably get them from Pops!

Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Jun 09, 2008, 03:45PMMe and my son...self-explanatory, I'd say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvo1r5zwgmk


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Post by ttf_anonymous » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:49 am

Quote from: ctingle on Jun 10, 2008, 08:22AMIf that isn't some kind of father's day commercial, we as bonistas will never get across to our public, our peeps...

Beautiful!  Your kid is going to pick up the horn and expect easy high F's out of the box - and probably get them from Pops!


Hahaha...  First, I'll tell him that high F's are a state of mind - then we'll work on putting the horn together.

....then we'll study the dynamic Allred duo and prepare our strategy...

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Post by ttf_svenlarsson » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:06 am

Quote from: puma on May 19, 2008, 11:49AMInteresting youtube showing the sound of Tuba Mirum from the perspective of the trombone section:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfmb2R_d ... re=related
Years ago I played Mozart's Requiem on modern instruments, I will never do it again.
The modern trombone sound very wrong in that music in my ears.
Like an elephant in a glass shop.
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Post by ttf_ctingle » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:13 pm

An elephant lacking smooth legato and good intonation.....ooh, I'm in the critical, dark mood as I watch the Lakers give tonight away in the third quarter.....one quarter left.

Quote from: svenlarsson on Jun 10, 2008, 09:06AMYears ago I played Mozart's Requiem on modern instruments, I will never do it again.
The modern trombone sound very wrong in that music in my ears.
Like an elephant in a glass shop.

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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:40 pm

One of my favorite orchestral pieces, 3rd Symphony of Camilie Saint Saëns, played by the Rotterdam Philharmonic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZgV87mW ... re=related

listen from 3:54 minutes and onward, wonderful.

Mr. Pierre Volders doing a beautiful job.
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Post by ttf_Jox » Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:08 pm

Quote from: svenlarsson on Jun 10, 2008, 09:06AMYears ago I played Mozart's Requiem on modern instruments, I will never do it again.
The modern trombone sound very wrong in that music in my ears.
Like an elephant in a glass shop.
Is this good? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leLIBQR7 ... re=related
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Post by ttf_Tim Boyer » Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:31 am

Charlie Vernon on bass and contra-bass playing Barnacle Bill the Sailor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8k4rJuQgB0
high quality setting recommended
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:13 pm

Joesph Alessi and Wycliffe Gordon with Juliard trombone choir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Aqpjf65FpV0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8TafjhFlg4M


Simply amazing.
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Post by ttf_RedHotMama » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:29 am

Quote from: Tim Boyer on Jun 16, 2008, 08:31AMCharlie Vernon on bass and contra-bass playing Barnacle Bill the Sailor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8k4rJuQgB0
high quality setting recommended

Well, excellent trombone playing, of course, but that arrangement of BBTS doesn't have much (many) balls. For those, go here....

http://www.redhotjazz.com/hoagyo.html


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Post by ttf_David A Bratcher » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:38 am

Quote from: RedHotMama on Jun 17, 2008, 07:29AMWell, excellent trombone playing, of course, but that arrangement of BBTS doesn't have much (many) balls. For those, go here....

http://www.redhotjazz.com/hoagyo.html


You say that a lot.  What do you mean by that exactly?  I'm just curious.
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Post by ttf_ctingle » Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:35 am

Thanks mucho for sharing this, as it presents a lot for all of us to chew on.  Joe Alessi improvising at a high level....Wycliff in testifying mode in front of a great bone choir....the interplay and exchange of roles....

all over Mozart's Requiem themes to start!!!

Quote from: Frank33 on Jun 16, 2008, 10:13PMhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=Aqpjf65FpV0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8TafjhFlg4M


Simply amazing.

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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:02 am

Here is a very swinging version of 'Royal Garden Blues' played by Lino Patruno and the European Jazz Stars with guest Roy Williams (far right) - just about my favourite jazz trombonist. But I also like the other trombone player Walter Leibundgut, who is an absolute ringer in style for Cutty Cutshall.

The other members of this Condon sounding band are:

Oscar Klein (cornet)
Bruno Longhi (clarinet)
Otto Weiss (piano)
Lino Patruno (guitar)
Isla Eckinger (bass)
Gerry Hayes (drums)

This is from September 1983
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjpRFc40dpo
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:40 am

I have searched and searched the internet for videos of the band I grew up loving in the 1950s, The Ted Heath Orchestra. This is the only one I can find. A very fine version of 'Cherokee' featuring the superb trombone section and a young Don Lusher. Not many of those guys are with us these days, I'm sad to report.

You have got to turn the sound way up for this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf9laJtelzw
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Post by ttf_marty nichols » Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:45 am

Quote from: Graham Martin on Jun 20, 2008, 03:02AMHere is a very swinging version of 'Royal Garden Blues' played by Lino Patruno and the European Jazz Stars with guest Roy Williams (far right) - just about my favourite jazz trombonist. But I also like the other trombone player Walter Leibundgut, who is an absolute ringer in style for Cutty Cutshall.

The other members of this Condon sounding band are:

Oscar Klein (cornet)
Bruno Longhi (clarinet)
Otto Weiss (piano)
Lino Patruno (guitar)
Isla Eckinger (bass)
Gerry Hayes (drums)

This is from September 1983
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjpRFc40dpo

My, my, my!!!
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Post by ttf_RedHotMama » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:42 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjpRFc40dpo

I know what I say! Shoot the drummer!

Or insert the ride cymbal between his buttocks. Or both.

Otherwise, it's good.

Well, quite good....
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:03 am

Here's a good reason to always be on your best behavior...  someone got me at a jam session from a few weeks back playing Caravan in F#.  yikes...

..and for added pressure Jim Pugh was in the audience.

eh, whaddaya gonna do?..sit it out? nah..  just close your eyes and hope for the best...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4VxDkYGVxY



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Post by ttf_anonymous » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:23 am

That's great playing, Wes - whatever key!!!
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Post by ttf_josh roseman » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:39 pm

Too modest!   Image
looks like a real fun session and a good vibe down there!
that's really the whole point, no?
cheers
J



Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Jun 23, 2008, 09:03AMHere's a good reason to always be on your best behavior...  someone got me at a jam session from a few weeks back playing Caravan in F#.  yikes...

..and for added pressure Jim Pugh was in the audience.

eh, whaddaya gonna do?..sit it out? nah..  just close your eyes and hope for the best...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4VxDkYGVxY



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Post by ttf_anonymous » Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:22 am

Quote from: josh roseman on Jun 24, 2008, 10:39PMToo modest!   Image
looks like a real fun session and a good vibe down there!
that's really the whole point, no?
cheers
J




welll....  yes, that is the whole point.   Image And yes, the vibe down here is outstanding.  Some great players came up after Katrina including the pianist and sax player from that session. 

They also play well in the key of F#...!!

Thanks...

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Post by ttf_anonymous » Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:36 am

So, Wes. Clarence is from NOLA? I think we were Yamaha Young Performing Artists together. I just talked about this over the weekend with Cyrus as he was part of the rhythm section in NYC as a young pro on the scene.

DG
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:22 am

Quote from: D Gibson on Jun 25, 2008, 05:36AMSo, Wes. Clarence is from NOLA? I think we were Yamaha Young Performing Artists together. I just talked about this over the weekend with Cyrus as he was part of the rhythm section in NYC as a young pro on the scene.

DG

Yep...Clarence is killin..  We've played together a bunch and apart from being one the most humble musicians I've ever met his playing is so organic and soulful...his sax is merely an extension of his hands.  It's crazy...  He kinda reminds me of Bunky Green.  Good stuff...

Go here:

http://www.strdigital.com/johnson.htm


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Post by ttf_ntap » Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:41 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGRLCXK- ... re=related

James Markey when he was only 17 playing for a masterclass with Christian Lindberg. He sounds really beautiful, Mr. Lindberg really enjoyed it.
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Post by ttf_JP » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:19 pm

Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Jun 23, 2008, 09:03AMHere's a good reason to always be on your best behavior...  someone got me at a jam session from a few weeks back playing Caravan in F#.  yikes...Yikes! Great playing by all.
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Post by ttf_Silver3B » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:04 am

QuoteHarry WattersThat was wonderful ......cool gig. Why so many empty seats up front?
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