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Post by ttf_Paul Martin » Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:25 pm

Quote from: RedHotMama on Nov 27, 2008, 08:26PMOh dear. My idea of a nightmare band, and a nightmarishly tedious bone player with no.... erm.... testosterone whatsoever. And bend over, Mr Drummer, so I can insert that ride cymbal. And somebody actually said "Yeah". Ghastly.


RHM, we know your taste "runs the gamut from A to B", or maybe from 1925 to 1928, and that Teagarden is too "out there" for you ...however, I agree that this guy is tedious, and would go a step further to say his slide technique, intonation, and sense of time aren't at a high level, either.

Maybe this recording doesn't capture him well; if it does, though, there are probably 20 local players who sound as good, or better, and all around have their **** together better than this guy.

I have all the respect in the world for guys out there knocking themselves dead for little money or fame to play great old tunes in this older style, but this guy's simply not playing at a high level in that style.


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Post by ttf_RedHotMama » Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:10 pm

Quote from: Paul Martin on Nov 29, 2008, 07:25PMRHM, we know your taste "runs the gamut from A to B", or maybe from 1925 to 1928
Oooooooo, don't exaggerate, Paul! It's 1920 to 1930.... Image
 
QuoteI have all the respect in the world for guys out there knocking themselves dead for little money or fame to play great old tunes in this older style, but this guy's simply not playing at a high level in that style.

Absolutely right.


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Post by ttf_Bellend » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:26 pm

Might the guy in the clip be Ray Simms?

Hebie Harper has quite distinctive looking chops, which to my eyes are not what I'm seeing here.

It's just a guess!

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Post by ttf_Bellend » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:23 pm

Nice little clip of Si Zentner playing "With Out A Song"

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HYsvo5gm1Ec

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Post by ttf_Bellend » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:36 pm

Here's a bunch of Bill Reichenbach stuff:

All The Things You Are

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SyOyMZC2hYs

Sentimental

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wloYguXM- ... re=related

Cherokee ( on euph )

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uLbYXre8- ... re=related


Enjoy

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Post by ttf_WaltTrombone » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:03 pm

The arrangement that Reichenbach plays for IGSOY was done by our own Tom Matta!
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:01 pm

Quote from: Bellend on Dec 07, 2008, 01:23PMNice little clip of Si Zentner playing "With Out A Song"

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HYsvo5gm1Ec

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Superb! Huge tone and range! I want to hear more of Si. Anybody know of any other of his clips?
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Post by ttf_conductorjonz » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:59 pm

Not too sure about this particular chart, though one of my all time favs by Zentner...but Bob Florence did many of his arrangements.

Great orchestra!

Greg
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:12 am

Three trombones here at the Ascona Jazz Festival (Switzerland) They are Tom Baker, Dan Barrett and Michael Supnick playing 'Linger Awhile'. The band also has Rossano Sportiello (piano), Lino Patruno (guitar), Guido Giacomini (bass), Giampalo Biagi (drums).

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj4xNesW2-4

BTW - Michael Supnick is the trombone player some of you did not like a few posts back. May I just say that you have a perfect right to your own opinion but that you are absolutely wrong! Image

And just to show the versatility of the gentlemen involved, here they are playing cornets on 'The Sheik Of Araby'. Ed Polcer is the extra cornet player.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3uB96ZPxMA

Oh sure, there are a few fluffed notes in these unrehearsed 'hot' jazz festival performances. But it’s my kind of music!

I am eternally grateful to Tom Baker. It was he that inspired me to drag my horn out from under the bed and start playing again. And this video is shot where I first heard him, at the Strawberry Hills pub in about this same year of 1993.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=PZLNJjMSTNo

About ten years later, I got to play with Tom a couple of times at festival jam sessions. He is an American who lived in Australia and was somewhat our inspirational jazz leader in Sydney - mine anyway. He is sorely missed. 'On ya Tom! And your best mate Dan!
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Post by ttf_RedHotMama » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:13 am

Oh nooooooooo! A soprano sax! Image

Good trumpet playing though. Image
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Post by ttf_ntap » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:56 pm

I don't get it RHM, why so negative about stuff? You're entitled to your opinion but it seems you have something pretty derisive to say about nearly every video that's been posted...
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Post by ttf_ntap » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:02 pm

Here's an interesting bit featuring Jimmy Cleveland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ElJTZw20WU

Hope is hasn't already been shared.
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:25 pm

Quote from: RedHotMama on Dec 08, 2008, 05:13AMOh nooooooooo! A soprano sax! Image

I quite like the soprano sax but the guy playing at the Strawberry Hills pub is Paul Furniss and he is also a beautiful clarinet player. He plays all the reeds and is a real stalwart of the Aussie jazz scene.

Quote from: RedHotMama on Dec 08, 2008, 05:13AMGood trumpet playing though. Image

Tom was probably better known as a cornet/trumpet player but he also played wonderful sax in many different styles. He always sounded period authentic on every instrument from King Oliver trumpet to Charlie Parker alto sax. I think I have mentioned before that, shortly before he died of a congenital heart problem while touring Europe, he was concentrating on trombone and trying to play exactly in the style of his trombone hero Miff Mole. Now that can't be bad, eh Christine?
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Post by ttf_Bellend » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:58 pm

Quote from: Graham Martin on Dec 07, 2008, 03:01PMSuperb! Huge tone and range! I want to hear more of Si. Anybody know of any other of his clips?

I have seen a VHS tape of the show that clip was taken from and from memory there were three, or may be four other numbers on it so lets hope in time they all get 'You Tubed'


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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:13 pm

Quote from: Bellend on Dec 08, 2008, 02:58PMI have seen a VHS tape of the show that clip was taken from and from memory there were three, or may be four other numbers on it so lets hope in time they all get 'You Tubed'

BellEnd

Yep, I did manage to find another video of Si playing "Sentimental Journey" It looks like it is from the same set, film, whatever:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qMltURgv4H8


Gees, there is so much great hot jazz coming on to YouTube these days. An absolute wealth with Lino Patruno and touring American stars. Just listen to the great solo from Bob Havens on this version of "Rosetta". Ed Polcer on cornet, Alan Vache on clarinet. I could listen to this Condon style jazz all day:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gnWYQZ7yCVg
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Post by ttf_RedHotMama » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:57 pm

Quote from: ntap on Dec 08, 2008, 01:56PMI don't get it RHM, why so negative about stuff? You're entitled to your opinion but it seems you have something pretty derisive to say about nearly every video that's been posted...

Not true.

Quote from: RedHotMama on Dec 08, 2008, 05:13AMGood trumpet playing though. Image

However, when I see a guy sitting there playing the trombone, looking complacent and obviously feeling like he's the bees' knees but playing badly, then I feel obliged to comment.

OK, I know I'm often chastised for criticising the "high and fiddly" stuff, but there is a huge difference between that style of playing (which I recognise as being wonderfully competent, even though I don't like or understand it) and just playing badly.
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Post by ttf_Bellend » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:07 am

Here's Dudley Bright principal with the LSO talking about the David concerto.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2peoIqliYc8

What's this?? he seems to be playing an instrument without a valve  Image

Can't be a 'serious' player then  Image  Image  Image  Image

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Post by ttf_Bellend » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:26 am

And here's another from the LSO bass trombonist Paul Milner.

One of the nicest guys you'll ever come across.

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Post by ttf_WaltTrombone » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:28 am

I think we needs some links in there, Bellend.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:00 am

Quote from: Bellend on Dec 09, 2008, 05:26AMAnd here's another from the LSO bass trombonist Paul Milner.

One of the nicest guys you'll ever come across.

BellEnd

Do you mean this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnScAb20EU


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Post by ttf_Bellend » Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:44 pm

Quote from: WaltTrombone on Dec 09, 2008, 05:28AMI think we needs some links in there, Bellend.
Quote from: Dino on Dec 09, 2008, 06:00AM
Sorry about that! MUST BE LOOSING THE PLOT A BIT  Image the links there now Walter.



Do you mean this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnScAb20EU

Yes I did....thanks.

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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:49 pm

Bob Brookmeyer and Clark Terry, here with a British rhythm section playing "Straight No Chaser":

http://dailymotion.alice.it/video/x1lck ... aser_music

I might be a bit biased about British jazz, but is that a great rhythm section, or what?

Terry Shannon - piano
Rick Laird - bass
Allan Ganley - drums

Allan Ganley was to my ears one of the great drummers in any style - so neat but always swinging. He was a stalwart of the British modern jazz scene and I saw him play many, many times when he and I were both young men. He died in April this year at the age of 77. Vale and well done Allan! 


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Post by ttf_DaveAshley » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:53 pm

Here's John Allred giving a 2 1/2 minute bebop trombone clinic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dZyxW_l4Lw
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Post by ttf_JP » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:39 pm

Quote from: Graham Martin on Dec 12, 2008, 06:49PMI might be a bit biased about British jazz, but is that a great rhythm section, or what?

Terry Shannon - piano
Rick Laird - bass
Allan Ganley - drums

Allan Ganley was to my ears one of the great drummers in any style - 

Agreed. Ditto to Rick Laird.

Listening, do todays players structure their solos as well as Clark and Bob. Especially the 2 bar breaks.
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Post by ttf_JP » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:56 pm

Quote from: DaveAshley on Dec 12, 2008, 06:53PMHere's John Allred giving a 2 1/2 minute bebop trombone clinic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dZyxW_l4Lw
No doubt he tells like it is. But, may I be indiscreet, we are seeing the talents of a great bunch of old guys (I can say that, I'm an old guy too.) Or we are looking at young guys that are now dead.

In this topic, More YouTubeTrombonists, anybody got some young guys (the future) that are hot?

I mean in 2008, guys in their 20s or 30s, not the lame avant jazz wannabees. Guys or girls who can really play.

Who is out there? Who is the future Carl Fontana, Joe Alessi, George Roberts, whoever?

Just asking.

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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:13 am

Quote from: JP on Dec 12, 2008, 09:56PM
In this topic, More YouTubeTrombonists, anybody got some young guys (the future) that are hot?

I mean in 2008, guys in their 20s or 30s, not the lame avant jazz wannabees. Guys or girls who can really play.

Who is out there? Who is the future Carl Fontana, Joe Alessi, George Roberts, whoever?

Just asking.


How about this........  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRVImHnD ... re=related
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Post by ttf_Bellend » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:51 am

Or this......not a you tube clip but there are four audio clips on this page.


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =140829072


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Post by ttf_Paul Martin » Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:37 pm

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Dec 13, 2008, 03:13AMHow about this........  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRVImHnD ... re=related
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Chris,


That guy's awesome, original, chops, has an edge, energy, interesting ideas expressed as lines, who is this guy?
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:47 pm

Quote from: Paul Martin on Dec 13, 2008, 01:37PM
Chris,


That guy's awesome, original, chops, has an edge, energy, interesting ideas expressed as lines, who is this guy?

nils wogram?
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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:12 pm

Quote from: D Gibson on Dec 13, 2008, 02:47PMnils wogram?

Yes Dave, you got it.
One of the most original jazz musicians/composers on the planet..... that just happens to play the trombone!!!!
His musical output over the years is awe inspiring, and he's still in his 30's!!!
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Post by ttf_Paul Martin » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:03 pm

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Dec 13, 2008, 03:12PMYes Dave, you got it.
One of the most original jazz musicians/composers on the planet..... that just happens to play the trombone!!!!
His musical output over the years is awe inspiring, and he's still in his 30's!!!

Just awesome, the one track "Time Flies" has some remarkable micro-tonal stuff going on, in great sync with the sax player.


I have a new favorite bone player!  Thanks for pointing him out, Chris!
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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:31 pm

Quote from: Paul Martin on Dec 13, 2008, 05:03PMJust awesome, the one track "Time Flies" has some remarkable micro-tonal stuff going on, in great sync with the sax player.


I have a new favorite bone player!  Thanks for pointing him out, Chris!

I had the pleasure of working with him along with the NDR big band...... Super nice guy!!!

Here's the link for that track........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SICPa5UD ... re=related
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Post by ttf_Hank Lambert » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:53 pm

Two of my current fav's are Mark Nightingale and Vince Gardner. I'd say they are pushing the envelope for the next generation of the classic style. I also will throw Jeff Bush into the mix.  younger cat who I got a chance to play with awhile back on some Cab Calloway gigs.... blows his sox off and saw him the other night playing lead with Harry Connicks band on the NBC xmas thing my wife was watching... a force for the future if I had to venture a guess. 

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Post by ttf_Malec Heermans » Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:27 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCXzjecs ... re=related

Nils again. Blues. Opening the sonic portal, stepping inside, swimming.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:07 pm

Former NYC trombonist Dave Panichi along with his septet........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyxq0_p ... re=related
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Post by ttf_DaveAshley » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:48 am

More Frank, though it's cut a little short...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6LKwv3xXEw
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:55 pm

That particular line-up of the Lighthouse Allstars always SWING so much more than the average bop band. Over the years I have tried to work out just what it is about them that makes your foot start tapping as soon as they start to play. It is definitely something to do with the phrasing of the front-line, and I guess Stan Levey must be another vital element. Heck, they all swing in that band! Even the pommy in the pack. Image I reckon it would be an insult to say they are 'cool'. Not ever reproduceable, I fear.
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Post by ttf_Burgerbob » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:51 pm

I know this is a bit off the beaten track of jazz performers, but these guys are really awesome-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mad9Affm7eA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lssLeJYg ... re=related
etc, there's a bunch of excerpts they play, should be in related videos
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Post by ttf_Alex Ashbourne » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:13 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUyT3Ayw ... re=related


Wow, I really dig this guys sound!

Can anyone shed some light on who he is?
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Post by ttf_DaveAshley » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:32 pm

Quote from: Alex Ashbourne on Dec 26, 2008, 04:13PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUyT3Ayw ... re=related


Wow, I really dig this guys sound!

Can anyone shed some light on who he is?

I'll give you a hint: He's the leader.

Check this one out -- solo @ 3:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fosnxwLhCuQ
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Post by ttf_Hank Lambert » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:33 pm

John Fedchock, lead trombonist for Woody Herman's last herd. Great player and arranger.
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Post by ttf_Paul Martin » Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:48 pm

Quote from: Alex Ashbourne on Dec 26, 2008, 04:13PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUyT3Ayw ... re=related


Wow, I really dig this guys sound!

Can anyone shed some light on who he is?

I admit to being unimpressed the one time I saw him live, but having heard that recording, I have to think the sound technician at the live concert had a lot to do with my impression, he's certainly smoking on the recording above, it's good to keep the mind open all the time...
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:11 pm

Hey Alex:
if you like him:
http://www.youtube.com/user/bonegasm
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Post by ttf_The Bone Ranger » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:27 pm

Quote from: DaveAshley on Dec 26, 2008, 04:32PMCheck this one out -- solo @ 3:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fosnxwLhCuQ


Awesome, I cheered along with the crowd!

Andrew

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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:06 am

Quote from: Hank Lambert on Dec 26, 2008, 04:33PMJohn Fedchock, lead trombonist for Woody Herman's last heard. Great player and arranger.
Wow.  That band is smokin'  I wasn't familiar with John Fedchock.  How does a player that good not get recognized?
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Post by ttf_DaveAshley » Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:22 am

Quote from: actikid on Dec 27, 2008, 09:06AMWow.  That band is smokin'  I wasn't familiar with John Fedchock.  How does a player that good not get recognized?
You must live in Tora Bora (just kidding)

I've seen Fedchock live more times than any other well-known trombone player (at least non-Boston ca. 1990-2000).  He's everywhere! As amazing a bop player as he is, he probably gets more recognition for his arranging.  He's actually coming back to Kentucky in a few weeks to direct the all-state jazz band.  Usually when he comes this way, he also plays at the Blue Wisp in Cincinnati. I've seen him there twice.
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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:37 am

Quote from: actikid on Dec 27, 2008, 09:06AMWow.  That band is smokin'  I wasn't familiar with John Fedchock.  How does a player that good not get recognized?

He has 5 cd's out under his own name.
Was lead bone and arranger with Woody Herman for many years.
Was married to Maria Schneider.


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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:07 pm

Quote from: DaveAshley on Dec 27, 2008, 09:22AMI've seen Fedchock live more times than any other well-known trombone player (at least non-Boston ca. 1990-2000).  He's everywhere!
His name doesn't seem to make it on the various ad hoc lists of the favorite trombonists that pop up from time to time.  He seems to have the whole musical package working.
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