Earl Williams Trombone

ttf_onetrombone · Post by **ttf_onetrombone** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:10 pm

Hi Harold and welcome!

Sounds like you have quite a nice set of Earl's horns. John Noxon is the expert around here and also the nicest guy you'd want to know.

Send him a PM and he'll help you in any way he can.

Oh--and we'd all love to see pictures of your horns.

--John

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:19 pm

Harold Lets do this off line. My email is [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:39 pm

I was wondering who got Art Perlman's horns.

ttf_Harold M · Post by **ttf_Harold M** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:48 pm

I told Art that whenever he wanted to sell them to me I would by them. He liked the way I played and he wanted his horns to go to someone who would use them. He sold me the 6 and 7 way to early. I sent him back the 7 and told him to send it back to me when he was done with it. We would talk every month or so. His wife sent the horn back to me after he passed on. I'd much rather have Art still around than the horn. He was a good man and a great player.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:20 pm

Hi All,

In case you're interested, Earl Williams Custom Trombones on Facebook has just posted John Noxon's interview with Jay Armstrong who, with his wife, was the Donelson, TN Williams trombone maker. You would have to "friend" Earl Williams Custom Trombones on FB but you might find it worthwhile.

There are also some nice pictures being posted by other owners of Earl Williams Trombones. I'll need to post some of my pics too. Anyway, please enjoy.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:45 pm

Richard,

Thank you for all of your help editing all of the info I had, that was so disorganized, from the interview with Joe "Jay" Armstrong.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:08 pm

Hey, no problem, John. It was my pleasure. It was extremely interesting reading through all that material. Interesting, enlightening, and educational.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:11 pm

that was a very insightful read! thanks richard for taking the time to edit through all of that info!

in other news, i do have my model 7 up on the bay if anyone is interested

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290745870709?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

ttf_Exzaclee · Post by **ttf_Exzaclee** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:16 am

I'm very interested. Cash, however, is short at the moment. If it's still around in the fall i might take a stab at it, unless you like payment plans.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:00 am

Quote from: Exzaclee on Jul 20, 2012, 07:16AMI'm very interested. Cash, however, is short at the moment. If it's still around in the fall i might take a stab at it, unless you like payment plans.

Same problem with me; lack of cash. Too much stuff happening.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:12 pm

yeah i ended up pulling the auction.

ttf_gmorganbrass · Post by **ttf_gmorganbrass** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:42 pm

Just spent a couple of hours at BAC Horn Doctor and they have a model 4 at the moment... Played awesome. In case anyone's looking for one.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:20 pm

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:27 pm

I'll take a piglet from the next litter.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:39 pm

any new news in the williams world?

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:10 pm

Expecting to get my 9 soon. I'll get some photos up when I do.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:33 pm

awesome!

ttf_MT Vernon 45 · Post by **ttf_MT Vernon 45** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:42 am

Quote from: Bach42BOS on Jul 24, 2012, 08:20PM

Hello Drew, what a collection!!
Which models?
Model 10, 9, 7, 5?
Niclas.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:27 am

Quote from: MT Vernon 45 on Aug 07, 2012, 01:42AMHello Drew, what a collection!!
Which models?
Model 10, 9, 7, 5?
Niclas.
Hi Niclas,

From left to right they are model 9, model 9, model 7, model 7

ttf_MT Vernon 45 · Post by **ttf_MT Vernon 45** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:31 am

Quote from: Bach42BOS on Aug 07, 2012, 02:27AMHi Niclas,

From left to right they are model 9, model 9, model 7, model 7

Ok the model 9 at the left looked larger.
But you have a 10, right?
Any pics?
Niclas.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:29 am

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Aug 06, 2012, 11:10PMExpecting to get my 9 soon.
Nice!

T.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:41 pm

Quote from: MT Vernon 45 on Aug 07, 2012, 05:31AMOk the model 9 at the left looked larger.
But you have a 10, right?
Any pics?
Niclas.
the one on the far left is indeed larger. that one has a 9" bell while the one next to it has an 8.5" bell. i do have a 10 but it was one of the earlier ones that earl built so it looks more like a conn. no pics at the moment but i should have some this weekend.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:56 pm

I hope you can get a 9 with a 10" bell. That would be so awesome!!!

Richard

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:07 pm

so here's some quick snaps of my model 10. many thanks goes out to John Noxon

ttf_jnoxon · Post by **ttf_jnoxon** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:06 pm

You are very welcome!!

ttf_Slipmo · Post by **ttf_Slipmo** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:22 pm

Interesting that your 10 looks very similar to my Wallace Williams Bass Bone

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:33 pm

Quote from: jnoxon on Aug 11, 2012, 06:06PMYou are very welcome!!

Quote from: Slipmo on Aug 11, 2012, 06:22PMInteresting that your 10 looks very similar to my Wallace Williams Bass Bone

I don't know how many times I've drooled over these pics on ur site! The only thing I can think of is John has mentioned before that the earlier model 10's were Conn like in appearance and that the later batch of 10's had the pigtail wrap.

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:17 am

LA model 6 on the left, Burbank 6 on the right

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:59 pm

Williams/bass bone porn lol

Williams 10, Conn Fuchs, NY 50B

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:24 pm

Hi All,

I got my new 8 1/2" 8 bell from John Duda the other day. It plays fantastic.

Its purpose was to replace the 8" 8 bell that he made for me several years ago. A guy in Oregon took his Burbank 8 to John's shop to compare the the new bell to his horn and thought the Duda 8 1/2" bell was better than his. When I compared the new bell to my own Burbank 8, I have to say that I prefer the new bell, too. More complex overtones and it slots better (notes line up better as you go up the partials).

In comparing to the original Duda 8" 8 bell to the new 8 1/2", the partials of the new 8 1/2" bell line up much better as you go up the overtones (the 8" was a little flaky), and it sounds much bigger!!!

Love it, love it, love it.

I am a very, very happy camper.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:59 am

Pics !!!
Where da pics bro!?!?

Congrats!

T.

ttf_chris.amemiya · Post by **ttf_chris.amemiya** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:31 pm

Quote from: Richard Tadaki on Sep 15, 2012, 08:24PMHi All,

I got my new 8 1/2" 8 bell from John Duda the other day. It plays fantastic.

Its purpose was to replace the 8" 8 bell that he made for me several years ago. A guy in Oregon took his Burbank 8 to John's shop to compare the the new bell to his horn and thought the Duda 8 1/2" bell was better than his. When I compared the new bell to my own Burbank 8, I have to say that I prefer the new bell, too. More complex overtones and it slots better (notes line up better as you go up the partials).

In comparing to the original Duda 8" 8 bell to the new 8 1/2", the partials of the new 8 1/2" bell line up much better as you go up the overtones (the 8" was a little flaky), and it sounds much bigger!!!

Love it, love it, love it.

I am a very, very happy camper.

Aloha,
Richard

Good to hear that he got it to you. It has been over half a year since I was down there when he showed me the bell and tuning slide. Is it raw brass still?

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:44 pm

Quote from: chris.amemiya on Sep 18, 2012, 07:31PMGood to hear that he got it to you. It has been over half a year since I was down there when he showed me the bell and tuning slide. Is it raw brass still?

Hi Chris,

No, he lacquered it but there are lots and lots of swirl marks on it. I think John doesn't really like to finish his horns. I believe he feels that it sounds better without the lacquer, but I'm making all kinds of assumptions. I'm almost tempted to take the finish off but I hate to admit that I like shiny.

I know you play an 8 too so the next time you're in Hawaii, fly over to Maui and check out my Duda 8. I think you'll like it. Drew missed playing it by a week.

Quote from: tsmart on Sep 17, 2012, 10:59AMPics !!!
Where da pics bro!?!?

Hi T,

I'll try to shoot the pics this weekend. I've been thinking about where to take the shots because I'd like to put all my Williams in it to get a family portrait.

Besides, I also got the 9 bell but I need to play it more to get a feel for how it plays before I can comment on how it blows. (I've been too busy playing the 8 to put much time on the 9.) In other words, the jury's still out on the 9 but I think I'll take it to community band rehearsal tomorrow night. Anyway, pictures will be coming soon.

Hey, you're the expert in taking finishes off but still keeping the horn nice and shiny. Do you think the horns sound better without the lacquer?

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:53 am

No expert by any means, but wrights brass polish and elbow grease will take it off.

As for keeping it shiney

.... I use car wax (Turtle Wax).

Which sounds better?
I've had some sound MUCH better after removing lacquer.
Then again, I've had some that it didn't seem to make a difference.

I always leave the lacquer on, if it looks nice.
If the lacquer is "dead", I remove it.

One day, I'll send my 1st Williams to Kanstul - and get it re-lacquered.
Keeping the horns cleaned and waxed - is a chore (or labor of love, which ever way ya see it).

T.

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:28 am

Thanks for your insights on the lacquer-no lacquer thing, T. I guess I'll keep it on. I really don't like to spend time polishing things. Heck, I haven't waxed my truck in like... Gee, seven years?!!!

Time flies when you're busy doing fun things.

On another note (pun, hee hee...) I took my new 9 to community band rehearsal tonight and let all the trombonists check it out, and I used it in rehearsal. But before I give you their and my verdict, let me explain how this horn came into being. Almost three years ago, i got a Calicchio Williams 8 from John Duda but he cut the bell flare to 8" instead of the usual 8 1/2". I ordered an 8 1/2" bell from him, which arrived a few days ago, the day before I got the 9, and it plays great; probably better than my Burbank 8.

What to do with the 8" 8 bell? It was also a great playing bell so I asked trombone tech and forum member John Sandhagen if he could put together a 9 for me built around this bell. He got Kanstul to build the wrap, including the pigtail, and put a CR valve on it. (John tells me that Kanstul had never made a .547" bore CR valve before so I guess my 9 is the very first, which is kind of fun.

) So I now have a 9 which isn't as warm as your typical Williams 9 and I think it's has a very versatile sound. Thank you so much for the great work, John.

So going back to the reaction of the trombone players in the community band. They all loved it. A couple of them have played all of my Williams horns and they thought that the 9 was perhaps the best blowing of the lot. I'm not sure that I completely agree with that but, for sure, I rank it way up at the top. I love the way it blows and I love the way it sounds. I definitely have a winner on my hands.

BTW, what I said earlier about this bell being a little flaky, that's still true. Compared to my other Williamses, I have to make some interesting adjustments to the positions to get the notes in tune. I'm quickly getting used to it, though, so it's not really a problem.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Doug Elliott · Post by **ttf_Doug Elliott** » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:21 pm

I'm thinking about maybe selling my Tennessee 4. I got it in 1990 when was in the Note, as my backup horn, and have hardly ever played it so it's in really good shape.

If anybody would be seriously interested please contact me.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:03 pm

CURRENTLY ON THE AVAILABILITY LIST
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MODEL 4 -TENNESSEE
MODEL 6-LA
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ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:20 pm

My Burbank 7 is still available at a bargain of a price!

ttf_Alex McMahon · Post by **ttf_Alex McMahon** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:56 am

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ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:17 pm

an la 6 recently changed hands in europe at about 2100 euro
another la 6 is available also
and there is a buyer for an 8

ttf_lingon · Post by **ttf_lingon** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:33 pm

Is this the ancestor of the Williams attachment models?!

ttf_Bach42BOS · Post by **ttf_Bach42BOS** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:55 pm

What a neat find! Would you mind translating what the auction said? Thanks!

ttf_lingon · Post by **ttf_lingon** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:32 pm

Didn't win...

Very approximate translation:

Very nice slide trombone by August Clemens Glier from Markneukirchen, in good condition, plays very well.
Happy bidding.
Slight traces from wear.

ttf_JohnL · Post by **ttf_JohnL** » Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:17 pm

Quote from: lingon on Nov 04, 2012, 12:33PMIs this the ancestor of the Williams attachment models?!

Early Williams (including the Williams-Wallace) horns with f-attachments were flat wraps. It's possible he saw a horn like this one and adopted a similar wrap. No way of telling.

ttf_lingon · Post by **ttf_lingon** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:57 pm

Looks like it was a Canadian eBayer that won.
Anybody here that got the instrument?

Quote from: lingon on Nov 04, 2012, 12:33PMIs this the ancestor of the Williams attachment models?!

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:19 pm

Hi Everybody,

I promised to post some pictures of my Williams trombones so here's the first. More to come later.

This is a family portrait of my Williams trombones. From left to right: Duda/Sandhagen 9, Duda 8 1/2" 8 bell, Burbank Williams 8, Burbank Williams 6 (my original horn bought in 1971), Frankenbone Williams 6 assembled by John Sandhagen (Donelson bell, Duda parts, King 2B+ slide tubes), Burbank William 4. I play all of these horns, going from one to the other as my moods strikes me, but my favorite two are the Duda 8 1/2" 8 bell with Duda 8 slide, and the Frankenbone 6. Both are very easy to play with great response and great tonal range.

Aloha,
Richard

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:37 pm

Here's a picture which includes (left to right) the Duda/Sandhagen 9, Duda 8 1/2" 8 bell, and my Burbank 8. The Duda/Sandhagen 9 is made of a Duda 8" 8 bell, a Kanstul-made wrap with a CR valve, and was assembled by forum member John Sandhagen. John has told me that the .547" CR valve was the first one of it's bore than Kanstul had made. The slide on the 9 is also used on the Duda 8 bell and I just swap it back and forth as needed.

The Burbank 8 is the horn I first fell in love with when I went to the Burbank shop back in 1971, but Bob Williams recommended I buy the 6 since I also played in jazz band. I've never regretted following his recommendation but I'm happy that I finally have a Burbank 8.

Richard

ttf_Richard Tadaki · Post by **ttf_Richard Tadaki** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:42 pm

Pictures of my Duda/Sandhagen 9.

ttf_dj kennedy · Post by **ttf_dj kennedy** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:57 pm

an interesting w-w has appeared --with provenance
it is hoped the owner will post the history and
some pics
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ttf_salsabone · Post by **ttf_salsabone** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:35 pm

Richard,
All I can say about those most impressive pictures is....you need a bigger TV!!!!