NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
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Blabberbucket
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NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
Around Christmastime last year, one Mr. Charlie Vernon was generous enough to lend us at O'Malley his prized NY 50 trombone (NY 50 bell and tuning slide, Shires axials, modern Bach 562/578 slide with fixed leadpipe). As you might imagine, the instrument plays beautifully - rich sound and extremely responsive.
We took a resin mold of the inside of the bell and many many many many measurements. From those measurements (and accounting for the idiosyncrasies of the spinning process), we have made a bell mandrel based on this bell.
We are now accepting orders for bells spun on this mandrel, typically one piece bells with a french bead, made with traditional techniques.
More information can be found at https://www.omalleyhorns.com/products/b ... bone-bells, via email at [email protected], or I am happy to answer any questions here on the forum. Note that the photos on our webpage are of a tenor bell, we do not have a fully polished bass bell available for photos yet.
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We took a resin mold of the inside of the bell and many many many many measurements. From those measurements (and accounting for the idiosyncrasies of the spinning process), we have made a bell mandrel based on this bell.
We are now accepting orders for bells spun on this mandrel, typically one piece bells with a french bead, made with traditional techniques.
More information can be found at https://www.omalleyhorns.com/products/b ... bone-bells, via email at [email protected], or I am happy to answer any questions here on the forum. Note that the photos on our webpage are of a tenor bell, we do not have a fully polished bass bell available for photos yet.
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David Paul - Brass Repair/Manufacture, O'Malley Brass (Chicago)
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tbonesullivan
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
Oh WOW. I wonder if anyone has a Conn Fuchs bell they could send you.
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Rrova
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
This is really cool! Is the new bell going to be a similar thinness to Charlie's? As I understand it, his bell is rather think while still being able to hold up.
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bassbone1993
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
Interesting, I didn't know Bach made .562/.578 slides
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
Is the slide long like the Bach's from the 70's? Would love to try a dual Bore long slide with my Minick G ContraBass.
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tbonesullivan
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
This reminds me that there's a Silver Plated Bach 50 customized bass from the George Thatcher collection at Horn Guys that he had silver plated to make the bell a bit thicker. If I recall, the Bach process for 1 piece bells results in quite a bit of stretching of the brass.Rrova wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 12:12 pm This is really cool! Is the new bell going to be a similar thinness to Charlie's? As I understand it, his bell is rather think while still being able to hold up.
David S. - daveyboy37 from TTF
Bach 39, LT36B, 42BOF & 42T, King 2103 / 3b, Kanstul 1570CR & 1588CR, Yamaha YBL-612 RII, YBL-822G & YBL-830, Sterling 1056GHS Euphonium,
Livingston Symphony Orchestra NJ - Trombone
Bach 39, LT36B, 42BOF & 42T, King 2103 / 3b, Kanstul 1570CR & 1588CR, Yamaha YBL-612 RII, YBL-822G & YBL-830, Sterling 1056GHS Euphonium,
Livingston Symphony Orchestra NJ - Trombone
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
They do not. As in, it's a one-off for him.
Aidan Ritchie, LA area player and teacher
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bassbone1993
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
That's what I suspected. Surprised they haven't done it since I believe Conn makes a dual bore slide.
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
to no-one's surprise, I bought one already
Aidan Ritchie, LA area player and teacher
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bassbone1993
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
I'll be doing a bass build next year. I had planned an Edwards, but now I'm having second thoughts...especially if they could do a reversed tuning slide.
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
/waggles eyebrows suggestivelytbonesullivan wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 11:25 am Oh WOW. I wonder if anyone has a Conn Fuchs bell they could send you.
But seriously, I do have one downstairs…. We should talk!
Cheers,
Andy
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Blabberbucket
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
Yup, it should be about as close as you could get to Charlie's bell. The nature of spinning a one-piece bells that large generally results in a very thin flare.Rrova wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 12:12 pm This is really cool! Is the new bell going to be a similar thinness to Charlie's? As I understand it, his bell is rather think while still being able to hold up.
The modern Bach bells are made using a different process.
The outer tubes were approximately 27" long. Seems to be the same as a modern Bach.MahlerMusic wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 12:55 pm Is the slide long like the Bach's from the 70's? Would love to try a dual Bore long slide with my Minick G ContraBass.
Thanks, Aidan!
David Paul - Brass Repair/Manufacture, O'Malley Brass (Chicago)
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Rrova
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Re: NY 50 Bass Bell Mandrel
Well, time to start saving up!Blabberbucket wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 3:51 pmYup, it should be about as close as you could get to Charlie's bell. The nature of spinning a one-piece bells that large generally results in a very thin flare.Rrova wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 12:12 pm This is really cool! Is the new bell going to be a similar thinness to Charlie's? As I understand it, his bell is rather think while still being able to hold up.
The modern Bach bells are made using a different method.