Jeremo(?) Trombone Identification

[SeanP]

Hello All,

First post on this forum but just wanted to see if I could get some information - a friend is selling an F trigger trombone that belonged to someone a few degrees of separation from him, and in trying to get some more information about the model I was wondering if anyone had ever heard of the brand Jeremo(?).
This was the best image I could get of the logo on the bell and it's quite hard to read even in person. The words I can make out say something like "Jeremo [something] By France JM.AX - 1999," and I haven't been able to find any information about them online.

If anyone has any information on this brand or the quality of the horn please let me know.

Thanks

[justatrombonist]

Dude, I wish I could say Identifying this was easy, but i have spent a good portion of the hour looking for this instrument. All I could come up with is that it could be a custom of some sort? Is that image taken bad quality or is it genuinely that messy for what is engraved on the bell? It does not match any known names of brands

[JohnL]

Have you tried doing a rubbing of the engraving (like they do of grave markers) to see if you can make out anything more of the engraving?

Is it possible that the first letter of the make is a cursive T?

[SeanP]

Hey all, some updates from today:

The engraving is unfortunately that messy in person - it seems like it may have been clean at one point in its life but that point was definitely years ago. I just tried doing a rubbing, but unfortunately the engraving is far too shallow to make out anything. The first letter being a T is a possible lead though, searching up Temero Trombone leads me to this page:

https://www.amazon.com/SHUNTIAN-Interme ... B09WH4TZB2

Although the word Temero fails to actually show up on that page, it seems to be the spitting image of the horn. The only difference is that the Shuntian horn seems to lack any sort of engraving on the bell, so that lends some credence to the idea of it being custom.

[JohnL]

There was period of time a few years back when there were new instruments being sold with names like "Steuben by German Engineering", "Maxtone by French Engineer", "Helmke by German Engineering", "Monique Designed by French Engineer" and so on. As far as I've even been able to glean, they were all built in China.

Could be a decent horn. But "custom"? I doubt it.

[tbonesullivan]

The last line looks like "JMAX-1999"???? That very much looks like an engraving added after the instrument was lacquered. It is off center and definitely looks to be hand executed.

[JohnL]

Another possible way to make the engraving more legible is to fill it. I'd use some sort of waxy substance in a contrasting color (crayon works well); work it in and then wipe away the excess.

[justatrombonist]

With the new possibility of the first letter being a T, it seems more likely than not that the word is not temero. There is also the possiblilty that it is a cursive F rather than T, or even another letter altogether. I tend to be leaning towards it being a custom of sorts because of the overall quality of the engraving(which is altogether low), as well as the possibly added engraving. Regardless, I will keep searching
Edit: It is most definitely a very low quality engraving and is near impossible to read.

[justatrombonist]

I looked up JMAX 1998, which, funnily enough, is some sort of program for musicians. Whether it is related or not, it does not make much sense why that would be added to the trombone

[JohnL]

I tend to be leaning towards it being a custom of sorts because of the overall quality of the engraving(which is altogether low), as well as the possibly added engraving.

More likely a stencil than a custom. It's not uncommon for factories to produce unbranded instruments; they sell them to middlemen who have them engraved with branding information.

It can be very difficult, if not impossible, to trace such instruments back to the original manufacturer. If you've got multiple factories churning out instruments that are clones of a well-known make and model, they're all going to look pretty much the same.