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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:18 am

How about these YouTubes:

Kai Winding (Actually Bill Harris as pointed out by Marty in post below) with Lester Young -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhql0clzqEM


Or Tommy Dorsey with Art Tatum from the film “The Fabulous Dorseys” -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhnWPz_Y8I


Or Kid Ory playing a typical growled solo -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDo4_11K2k
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:58 am

Nice videos Grah. The first has Bill Harris on trombone, not Kai Winding. I met Winding years ago outside the Brass Rail in Chicago where I was playing. I immediately knew it was not him in the video.
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Post by ttf_The Sheriff » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:06 am

Yep, the unmistakable swingin' Bill Harris. Man, he was somethin' else!
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:31 pm

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You are not going to believe this, but when I heard that superb solo, I said to myself 'that sounds like Bill Harris'. But the commentary below said Kai Winding and I thought I was wrong.
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Post by ttf_marty nichols » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:13 pm

Quote from: "Graham Martin"Image

You are not going to believe this, but when I heard that superb solo, I said to myself 'that sounds like Bill Harris'. But the commentary below said Kai Winding and I thought I was wrong.
I do belive Grah, I do believe! Image
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:27 pm

I love these old clips. Thanks for tracking them down. There are a couple of interesting things in there apart from the music. If I am not mistaken Tommy Dorsey is putting his trombone together at the start of his clip and he doesn't screw the bell section to the slide section. Friction fit?
The other thing is I love how the atmospheric lighting highlights the muscles in his embouchure. Solid muscle!
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:58 am

I thought the Bill Harris solo was very cool.  So was the sax solo beforehand -- he seemed extraordinarily relaxed.

The older clips were fascinating.  We can learn a lot by watching and listening to those guys.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:28 am

Can we post a video of ourselves? I'm gonna make a short melody and record it.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:29 pm

Pres and Bill together. Yeah. So little on video with Bill. One of the all time greatest.
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Post by ttf_LX » Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:03 pm

John Alred playing "Strike Up the Band"....SWINGIN!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ePAdQc1DLkY& ... ed&search=

John and his papa Bill on the same tune
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5E74OT74DMk& ... ed&search=

Carl with Paul Anka...hmmmmmmm!!???!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u7n10yVJ0z4& ... ed&search=
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:56 am

Quote from: "LX"John Alred playing "Strike Up the Band"....SWINGIN!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ePAdQc1DLkY& ... ed&search=

John and his papa Bill on the same tune
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5E74OT74DMk& ... ed&search=

Carl with Paul Anka...hmmmmmmm!!???!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u7n10yVJ0z4& ... ed&search=

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I posted these on Youtube
and wanted to add a new topic about it on this forum . . .
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Guess I'm too late . . .

How fast communication is these days, just amazing

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Thanks for posting Alex!
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Post by ttf_Ronobone » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:59 am

Oh I forgot,

I also posted some other short Carl Fontana videos


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2gNLVWmn8s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MkK2L5GRag

Also check my other videos if you haven't yet
Enjoy!

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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:53 am

Great videos!
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:58 am

great videos! looks like you recorded them off the TV with a video camera?
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Post by ttf_ctingle » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:37 pm

Holy #@%&!!!!

Frank, Carl & Watrous trading!!!  All in prime shape.....more please......check's on the way.....how much you need??
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Post by ttf_bonearzt » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:30 am

Probably not necessary to repeat,  but have you all seen & heard the Tommy Pederson clip of Flight of the Bumble bee?
Amazing & hilarious!!!!!

Here is the address.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ivUtLBsfk

Thanks
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:55 pm

Wait for the bone solo at about 3:25.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MJwRMwRu8E

Gunhild Carling. There's a lot more of her on youtube, playing trumpet and singing great, too.

Homepage at:
http://www.gunhildcarling.net/ph/index. ... me&lng=eng

Yeah.

C.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:46 pm

Here she casually throws in an altissimo A  Image  Image during another artful solo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqKlZpEysp8&NR

C.
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Post by ttf_fluor » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:47 pm

is there anything of JJ on youtube? can't find anything myself
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Post by ttf_DaveAshley » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:23 pm

Quote from: "christo"Here she casually throws in an altissimo A  Image  Image during another artful solo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqKlZpEysp8&NR

C.

Yeah! Impressive....
The top note's a G-flat (maybe a little more G-ish) , but still -- She can play the horn and she's kinda cute too!

Oh, and how about that bell?  that looks like a sackbut bell or something.....
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:45 pm

Oh baby...I'm in love.......

Wonderful musician....fun to listen to...
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:05 am

Quote from: "DaveAshley"Quote from: "christo"Here she casually throws in an altissimo A  Image  Image during another artful solo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqKlZpEysp8&NR

C.

Yeah! Impressive....
The top note's a G-flat (maybe a little more G-ish) , but still -- She can play the horn and she's kinda cute too!

Oh, and how about that bell?  that looks like a sackbut bell or something.....

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I must have been thinking of another video.........there's quite a lot of them and she sounds great whether on trombone, trumpet (sounding very much like Louis) or singing (like Billie). Some of the clips from when she was 9 or 10 are almost staggering in the maturity of her playing.

C.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:43 pm

Rick Simerly 5 minute long cadenza.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJWG1tTOA9k
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:37 pm

Did anyone ever find one of Kai Winding playing? I've actually got a pretty decent collection of his LP's now (along with JJ of course). I just tried youtube, but they were down for upgrades or something.

Hello Chris. I chatted with you at Evergreen Jazz on your last day there.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:55 am

Quote from: "Timmah"Rick Simerly 5 minute long cadenza.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJWG1tTOA9k

What a Watrous rip off....... Image

Without the class!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ttf_ctingle » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:16 am

Quote from: "trombeanbloke"Quote from: "Timmah"Rick Simerly 5 minute long cadenza.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJWG1tTOA9k

What a Watrous rip off....... Image

Without the class!!!!!!!!!

Impressive none the less, eh?  At least on a technical level.

Cheers,
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:47 am

Curtis Fuller back in the day with Blakey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY2xSSUTe-E
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Post by ttf_josh roseman » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:59 am

Quote from: "trombeanbloke"What a Watrous rip off....... Image
Without the class!!!!!!!!!
Man... the cat's a virtuoso.   Why not just support a guy trying to make some music?

Quote from: "krizo"Curtis Fuller back in the day with Blakey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY2xSSUTe-E
Mosaic- KILLER, thanks for posting
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Post by ttf_josh roseman » Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:45 pm

Alright, I'll try to add something constructive here.

ZENEBONA - vagy tökéletes zenei produkció ?  "Music for six drummers and one apartment,"  
described as  
"A zenélés már ősidők óta benne van az emberek vérében. Minden kultúrában képviselteti magát. Találtam egy olyan videót, amit mindenkinek látnia kell."
No trombones yet, I think it's a "video minus one" kind of thing...
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:50 pm

QuoteWhat a Watrous rip off.......  
Without the class!!!!!!!!!

Man, thats just sad you said that. Isn't the use of other musicians material part of jazz. Rick is one of the nicest guys and baddest cats out there and you're doggin' what he's doing. Man, sometimes I wish I played the guitar or something.
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Post by ttf_Brisko » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:59 pm

Quote from: "eltel"I love these old clips. Thanks for tracking them down. There are a couple of interesting things in there apart from the music. If I am not mistaken Tommy Dorsey is putting his trombone together at the start of his clip and he doesn't screw the bell section to the slide section. Friction fit?
The other thing is I love how the atmospheric lighting highlights the muscles in his embouchure. Solid muscle!
I think he did have a friction fit horn for many years.  In The Fabulous Dorseys he certainly did.
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Post by ttf_zemry » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:20 pm

Quote from: "krizo"Curtis Fuller back in the day with Blakey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY2xSSUTe-E

Glad I got the Mosaic set!!
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:06 pm

I dig this Bob Brookmeyer clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrEAmaMAeSM

Also Andre Heyward here. (Check out Dave Gibson in the section too!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6k2BkwZt1Y  about 7 minutes into the clip
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Post by ttf_Malec Heermans » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:36 pm

Quote from: "josh roseman"Alright, I'll try to add something constructive here.

ZENEBONA - vagy tökéletes zenei produkció ?  "Music for six drummers and one apartment,"  
described as  
"A zenélés már ?sid?k óta benne van az emberek vérében. Minden kultúrában képviselteti magát. Találtam egy olyan videót, amit mindenkinek látnia kell."
No trombones yet, I think it's a "video minus one" kind of thing...

Josh,

Köszönöm szépen

Respect,

The Trombone Family
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Post by ttf_ctingle » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:24 pm

Quote from: "Thedrakester"I dig this Bob Brookmeyer clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrEAmaMAeSM

Also Andre Heyward here. (Check out Dave Gibson in the section too!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6k2BkwZt1Y  about 7 minutes into the clip

I sent this clip to Bob telling him how much I dug it....what a fan I was....you get the picture.

He wrote back saying he'd never seen it and really dug it.

Cheers,
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:05 am

Quote from: "josh roseman"Quote from: "trombeanbloke"What a Watrous rip off....... Image
Without the class!!!!!!!!!
Man... the cat's a virtuoso.   Why not just support a guy trying to make some music?

Yeah i know what you are saying but i don't hear any music in that clip....Sorry!!!! Only trombone tricks.
Yes without a doubt he can play the *** out of the trombone and is a true virtuoso. When Watrous did that stuff on "4th floor walk up" he made music too.
Just left me cold guys that's all......  Image  Image
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Post by ttf_Tim Boyer » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:51 am

I hate to get off topic, but considering it is a cadenza, isn't that what he is supposed to do (trombone tricks and all the flashy stuff to enamor the audience)? I'm not defending it simply because I posted that video, but I'm truely interested...is there a line with the cadenza that if you cross it people start to consider it unmusical? (Hah apparently so!)
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:10 am

I'm with trombeanbloke here. Dug it for what it is and lost interest because of what it . . . ain't . . . could have been.
If I could do what he can - I would have done something else Image  Image
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:28 am

Quote from: "trombeanbloke"Quote from: "josh roseman"Quote from: "trombeanbloke"What a Watrous rip off....... Image
Without the class!!!!!!!!!
Man... the cat's a virtuoso.   Why not just support a guy trying to make some music?

Yeah i know what you are saying but i don't hear any music in that clip....Sorry!!!! Only trombone tricks.
Yes without a doubt he can play the *** out of the trombone and is a true virtuoso. When Watrous did that stuff on "4th floor walk up" he made music too.
Just left me cold guys that's all......  Image  Image

Plenty of dudes can put in hours acquiring the screech register, mulitple tonguing, multiphonics, a good sound.  If this player would seek counsel as to musical taste and apply his steely chops to that, he'd have something a lot more exciting and less tedious to listen to.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:31 am

Quote from: "Timmah"I hate to get off topic, but considering it is a cadenza, isn't that what he is supposed to do (trombone tricks and all the flashy stuff to enamor the audience)? I'm not defending it simply because I posted that video, but I'm truely interested...is there a line with the cadenza that if you cross it people start to consider it unmusical? (Hah apparently so!)

Yes, the line he crossed is repeating a lot of stuff that is musically disjointed.  He was just saying, "Listen to this, I've got monster chops".

Not much else.

Erling said it really well.
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Post by ttf_josh roseman » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:51 am

Youtube has brought the art of armchair criticism to a new height, that's all I can say.   Consider the context-   We have no idea what this clip is, who the audience is and so on.   may well have been an excerpt from a HS band clinic at 10AM for all we know.
Point is to get what you can from it and move on.   I mean- sure, if I play a cadenza, I'm gonna play my own stuff too.   But can we just give the guy props for playing at a high level and working to engage the crowd?

I've seen a lot of questionable stuff posted on youtube-  had a few gigs I was on recorded via cellphone and posted.  You can imagine the sound quality..  
My friend Peter had a backstage conversation taped and posted, nobody knew..  Was surprised to see the Fred Wesley clip earlier- Fred playing with studio cans on, wailing with no background music.  Hopefully he knew he was going "live"..  
really sketchy I think.
 
There's also a huge disconnect in the commentary- all these YouTube people feel entitled to absorb these random bits and take anonymous potshots from home, using whatever criteria they wish.   I find it a little discouraging.  It's a document; the guy wasn't working for some crusty audience of trombonists out on the internet, after all.  Joshy's two cents...
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:36 pm

Anonymous?  Not exactly.  I use my real name, my real picture, my real business web site URL, all that.

Of course we're entitled to say what we like.  Some of us find that cadenza to be awesome, some find it to be of questionable taste, some a little of both, and we're exercising our right to discuss it.  Since when did discussing musical taste become a big deal?

I don't know about this "armchair" business, either.  Most of us are trombonists.  Not "YouTube people" or "a crusty audience of trombonists out on the Internet". Image

You feel very free to express a low opinion of the forum members, Josh, and then you have the nerve to rebuke us for expressing our opinions?
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Post by ttf_josh roseman » Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:49 pm

Talkin' about the YouTube phenomenon in general on this,  Bob- not necessarily about you or the forum-at-large.  
Context is always an issue,  even for writers when reviewing a disc.
 But at least on a record, the artist has some control over the presentation.   Not so with these videos...
As far as this discussion is concerned- yes, calling a happening player "without class," etc doesn't strike me as being constructive.  
it's just derogatory & not at all about musical taste.  
I probably should have been more specific in my remarks, however- so apologies.
Josh
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Post by ttf_crossbone » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:15 pm

I enjoyed Rick Simerly and Christian Lindberg, though I'm not sure it's a fair comparison, and each seem to have a captive audience, so  each performance was good for me. I started out as a serious musician and later in life I got serious about becoming an entertainer. They are 2 separate skills, as separate as throwing darts and selling shoes. Rick Simerly is borrowing from Watrous but also doing some of his own thing and it was obviously entertaining to the people who were there. Like Josh said, we don't know the situation, but it did appear everyone left happy. We're all dirt and worms in the end. What more lofty goal is there in music, than to make some people happy, while awaiting exit from this mortal coil.

By the way, loved the Twinkle variations by CL. He is just incredible.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:47 pm

Some of the remarks about Mr. Rick Simerly may have been sparked by jealousy.  The fellow has outrageous chops and we can all appreciate that -- I certainly do.  He has all the physical tools to play whatever he likes.

Let's all wish him the best and hope we don't show up on YouTube when we least expect it. Image
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:06 pm

Bela Szaloky.  Quite nice I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RisEHyGx ... ed&search=
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Post by ttf_zemry » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:38 pm

WOW!!! Where did this guy come from?

The jazz scene in Hungary seems to be striving.

There seems to be a strong Carl Fontana influence there. However, he definitely has his own style.

Very smooth and so many ideas!

I loved the jump at the end!
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:47 pm

Yeah, I think he's good.
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Post by ttf_DaveAshley » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:57 pm

Quote from: "BobCochran"Bela Szaloky.  Quite nice I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RisEHyGx ... ed&search=

Yeah!  He sounds great.  There are free MP3's on his website.  I'm checking them out right now.  Apparently some are of him on fluegel.  http://szaloky.com/SZALOKY_BLUE/english/index.htm
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