source for a quote: louder than lovely, softer than safe

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Post by ttf_timothy42b » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:31 pm

Who said this (Never louder than lovely, never softer than safe.)

I've googled without success. 
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Post by ttf_Geezerhorn » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:49 pm

Quote from: timothy42b on Dec 21, 2017, 05:31PMWho said this (Never louder than lovely, never softer than safe.)

I've googled without success. 

I posted on this Forum about 3 years or so ago where I remembered as a youth hearing the phrase "No louder than lovely". I don't know the original source.

I like the entire quote you listed. I wish conductors would as well.

...Geezer
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source for a quote: louder than lovely, softer than safe

Post by ttf_MrPillow » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:02 pm

If I recall this is from William Shakespeare's "Plain words on singing," but I don't remember if it's quite the same.
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Post by ttf_timothy42b » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:03 am

Aha!  Thanks.  A search of Plain Words did turn up never louder than lovely, but not the softer than safe part.  That must have been added later at some point. 
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Post by ttf_watermailonman » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:24 am

Quote from: timothy42b on Dec 21, 2017, 05:31PMWho said this (Never louder than lovely, never softer than safe.)

I've googled without success. 

Have never heard that as a saying. Has not spread over seas, but it makes perfect sense.

"Aldrig starkare än att det fortfarande är vackert, och aldrig svagare än att det fortfarande bär" is something I could have said as a teacher or a teacher could have said at any time in my education. I don't think it is a "saying" but it could perhaps be. The first part basicly translates to the same thing as in english. The second is more 'you should not play so soft you risk to lose a note or the lips stop vibrating' 

"Wrong notes does not make it to the first row" or something similar is something I picked up here. That's a good one. Often one becomes so annoyed about a fault, but as the saying states a single fault is often drowned in the whole picture and does not reach the first row. It is like playing tennis and not hitting the ball right. The ball leaves the bat with NO power. Often the same when hitting a wrong note. When others are playing the wrong note drops dead at ones feet (you just need to be lucky). I've noticed this when listening at recordings where I know I did a misstake but it is not heard. It is often drowned in the whole picture. Not always that lucky of course  Image

"Det ordnar sig på konserten.. " is something Swedes say when time for rehearsal runs out but there is still things not working. It means that "All remaining problems will be solved at the concert.. ". It rarely is the case of course.

/Tom
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Post by ttf_watermailonman » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:24 am

Quote from: timothy42b on Dec 21, 2017, 05:31PMWho said this (Never louder than lovely, never softer than safe.)

I've googled without success. 

Have never heard that as a saying. Has not spread over seas, but it makes perfect sense.

"Aldrig starkare än att det fortfarande är vackert, och aldrig svagare än att det fortfarande bär" is something I could have said as a teacher or a teacher could have said at any time in my education. I don't think it is a "saying" but it could perhaps be. The first part basicly translates to the same thing as in english. The second is more 'you should not play so soft you risk to lose a note or the lips stop vibrating' 

"Wrong notes does not make it to the first row" or something similar is something I picked up here. That's a good one. Often one becomes so annoyed about a fault, but as the saying states a single fault is often drowned in the whole picture and does not reach the first row. It is like playing tennis and not hitting the ball right. The ball leaves the bat with NO power. Often the same when hitting a wrong note. When others are playing the wrong note drops dead at ones feet (you just need to be lucky). I've noticed this when listening at recordings where I know I did a misstake but it is not heard. It is often drowned in the whole picture. Not always that lucky of course  Image

"Det ordnar sig på konserten.. " is something Swedes say when time for rehearsal runs out but there is still things not working. It means that "All remaining problems will be solved at the concert.. ". It rarely is the case of course.

/Tom
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