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Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:54 pm
by johntarr
For most of my musical life, I’ve relied on reading but I would like to find a way to play more from memory. One thing that I’ve discovered is that if I learn a melody by ear, it stays “memorized” much longer than a melody I read first.

The obvious answer might be, “just learn by ear,” but I’m wondering how I can memorize a Telemann Fantasie, for example, more quickly than I can now.

Are there techniques or processes that can be used to improve memorizing?

Many thanks, John

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:44 pm
by Burgerbob
Break down the piece into phrases and chunks. It's no good to try and memorize an entire concerto... It's much easier to string together many shorter phrases that make sense as a whole.

Listen to it a lot. Play it a lot. Start to take away the music as a crutch.

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:43 am
by harrisonreed
If there is an accompanying part, like piano, the way to do it is to put that part into sibelius or finale and have it spit out a midi. Then run the midi through a good sound library, maybe with a click track and make an mp3.

Now when you practice the piece you can make music and not just try to learn one portion of the piece by memory removed from the rest of the piece.

When composers deliver concertos to a soloist in the months before a premiere, it usually will come with a track like this for that very reason.

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:34 pm
by TromboneFox
I agree with Burgerbob. What works for me is listening to it as much as possible. Get it stuck in your head. When you learn it with the music, learn little pieces of it, then, as you learn it with the music, try turning the stand around to see if you can make it for a whole phrase without looking at the music.

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:21 am
by AndrewMeronek
Not list listening. Crank the volume and play along with the recordings. Solid memory involves all of the senses and motor skills possible, not just aural reference.

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:54 pm
by BurckhardtS
This goes without saying, but when I memorize I most certainly don't think of note-note-note, I mostly just try to 'hear the sound' and try to let it be as much 'autopilot' as possible. When playing memorized, you want to just almost be 'letting the record play' in your mind. If I've prepared well, this is fairly easy.

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:18 am
by Wilktone
I have two additional suggestions to the above.

First, begin to look at music not as individual notes and rhythms, but melodic and harmonic patterns. Different genres of music will have different patterns, but common practice harmonic language and scales are used in most that you'll play. When you can begin to view your part as a scale pattern or chord arpeggio to basic progressions you'll be memorizing music in bigger chunks.

Secondly, try testing your memory with short time intervals that get longer after each quiz. It seems to help force what you're memorizing from your short and medium term memory into long term memory faster. For example, practice memorizing the first 3 phrases. Stop and do something else for 60 seconds and then play it again, fixing any mistakes. Then wait 2 minutes before testing yourself again. Gradually expand the amount of time between testing yourself. Add the next phrase or three tomorrow, repeating the process.

Dave

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 am
by Redthunder
Wilktone wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:18 am I have two additional suggestions to the above.

First, begin to look at music not as individual notes and rhythms, but melodic and harmonic patterns. Different genres of music will have different patterns, but common practice harmonic language and scales are used in most that you'll play. When you can begin to view your part as a scale pattern or chord arpeggio to basic progressions you'll be memorizing music in bigger chunks.

This is a great approach, and is very similar to a style of teaching music to children that stems from Edwin Gordon's MLT called Whole-Part-Whole.

In this method, you sing or perform the whole melody for a student or group of students. Then you would teach individual chunks, sections, or concepts to the students, and after doing so, return to the whole, and the students come away with not just a thorough understanding of how the song sounds, but also the musical components that construct the song.

For example, if you took a simple song like "Jingle Bells", if you analyze the melody, you'd find melodic patterns of "Mi-Sol-Do", "Re-Sol-Mi", etc. If I wanted to take this song and teach it to a group of children to sing or play on their instruments, after introducing the song as a whole, I'd probably do something like have them echo variations of the combinations of those solfege syllables, have them come up with their own variations, and then insert the patterns directly from the song. After this, I'd return to the whole song, and not only will they have a better understanding of how this song is composed, but they will also have a much easier time identifying similar patterns in other songs in the future. And they retain the song so much better than just by constant repetition or just listening to the song alone.

Now, obviously, as adult instrumentalists, the music we learn is usually much longer and more complicated, however this approach can be scaled up to whatever you may be working on, and it is incredibly effective.

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:46 am
by Savio
Yesterday I played with a folkmusician, and he told he learned faster an safer without using sheet music. So he prefered to listen the music and then play and memorizing. Thats an idea I want to try out. Im hopless in memorizing things, maybe Im getting a little senile..... :amazed: :biggrin:
Leif

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:31 am
by Pre59
There's an emotional element to it as well. If you're really interested in the melody, and feel moved by it, you have a far greater chance of retaining it. If not, it's just "stuff".

I have countless tunes in my head that I can pull out of the blue, and in a choice of keys. But only because I have a real regard and respect for their construction.

And that is a large part of how I've made a living over the last 50+ years...

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:58 am
by Arrowhead
I use technique I like to call a "law of leverage," such as in basic mechanics. If you can memorize a 2 bar phrase, you can memorize an entire tune, through "chaining." You play a 2 bar phrase in a few keys (maybe 1/2 step, then 1/2 step down, or whole step up or down), then you try that with the first 4 bars. Usually tunes will repeat sections (AABA for example). Once you have control over the first 8 bars, you basically now have the tune except for the B section, which may require a few extra minutes, etc. Bingo- you've got it!

Re: Memorizing Techniques

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:30 pm
by johntarr
In doing some reading on the subject, I’ve learned that there are three types of memorization. The first is aurally, in that the piece is remembered as sound. My guess is that this is what most folk, jazz and Suzuki trained musicians use. Then there is memorizing the score, which is apparently what many classical musicians and conductors use. In this form, one practices the score without the instrument. The third is called muscle memory and that’s what happens when you play something over and over. It is also the least reliable form. Those good at memorizing may use a combination of these forms.

What I’ve found interesting is that when improvising in a familiar key or over a tune I know, I think I rely mostly on muscle memory and my playing is often predictable. More recently, I’ve been playing the alto trombone by singing and playing simple tunes in all 12 keys, in the hope that I will develop an ear to arm/lip connection. The alto is enough different that I can’t just rely upon what my body remembers.

We’ll see and hear in time if it’s a viable approach.