[Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

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[Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by Bach5G » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:45 pm

Any suggestions for 60-sized mpcs? (Other than expensive boutique mpcs - Yeo replica as opposed to a Yeo signature, for example)
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Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by Burgerbob » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:49 pm

Well, the Yeo replica is pretty good...
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Post by paulyg » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:50 pm

Bach 1G, Yeo Replica, Wick 00AL

All I can think of.
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Post by Burgerbob » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:55 pm

And the 1G and 00AL are pretty awful, IMO.
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Post by Bach5G » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:07 am

Bought a Yeo Replica. $55, free shipping. Cheap like borscht.
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Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by JohnL » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:17 pm

Never tried one, but I've heard a lot of good things about the Laskey 93D. Not sure about availability new, what with Scott Laskey's passing, but gently used ones pop up once in a while.

The Hammond 21BL/BXL would be another option.
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Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by Bassbonechandler » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:40 pm

JohnL wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:17 pm
Never tried one, but I've heard a lot of good things about the Laskey 93D. Not sure about availability new, what with Scott Laskey's passing, but gently used ones pop up once in a while.

The Hammond 21BL/BXL would be another option.
I agree about laskey, although I don't play one anymore but I did for about a year. Good piece if you have good chops.
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Post by fwbassbone » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:54 pm

The Yeo is a very good piece.
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Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by Matt K » Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:05 am

Doug Elliott all the way. LB114/L/L8 has been my go-to bass piece for a little over a year now.
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Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by GabeLangfur » Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:33 am

Matt K wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:05 am
Doug Elliott all the way. LB114/L/L8 has been my go-to bass piece for a little over a year now.
I've been playing XB114/M/M8 and sometimes L/L8.

For relatively inexpensive mouthpieces though, the Yeo replica is probably my first recommendation.
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Post by Matt K » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:53 am

GabeLangfur wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:33 am
Matt K wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:05 am
Doug Elliott all the way. LB114/L/L8 has been my go-to bass piece for a little over a year now.
I've been playing XB114/M/M8 and sometimes L/L8.

For relatively inexpensive mouthpieces though, the Yeo replica is probably my first recommendation.
Ah yeah missed the inexpensive part. Although I got mine for a good price used fwiw
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Post by Burgerbob » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:05 pm

GabeLangfur wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:33 am
Matt K wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:05 am
Doug Elliott all the way. LB114/L/L8 has been my go-to bass piece for a little over a year now.
I've been playing XB114/M/M8 and sometimes L/L8.

For relatively inexpensive mouthpieces though, the Yeo replica is probably my first recommendation.
What do you think of the L?

I had an identical mouthpiece with L/L8 for a while, it just seemed not great.
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Post by GabeLangfur » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:41 pm

I like the L when I need to be especially light and articulate. It also requires just a bit less effort up in the high register.
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Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by BGuttman » Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:25 pm

I played a LB114/L/L8 for years (since I bought it from Doug in the early 1990s). Now that I'm a little older I've changed to a 112 rim and an L7 shank. Helps me keep up better.

I found the Schilke 60 and the Bach 1G to be uncomfortable; mostly too narrow a rim. I wanted something a little larger than a Schilke 59. Marcinkiewicz 105 was a bit large, although I did like the rim.
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Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by Tooloud » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:36 pm

Although the question may probably be long solved:
For real bassbone-parts use the Schilke Symphony D6.0.
Really different from the normal 60, which I don't like. The D6.0 has a lot more core to the sound, like a trombone, not like a bad euphonium. Requires work above the staff, of course, but then again: Which bass-mouthpiece does not?
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Post by tbonesullivan » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:01 pm

Ferguson / Hornguys have worked with James New, the former mouthpiece guy at Kanstul. They have some very nice Minick Replicas. Their LS model is the closest to a Schilke 60 at 29.00 mm. That puts it a bit larger than the Yeo and the 1G. They also make some smaller ones.

https://www.hornguys.com/collections/tr ... mouthpiece
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Post by JLivi » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:10 pm

paulyg wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:50 pm
Bach 1G, Yeo Replica, Wick 00AL

All I can think of.
Those are almost 1mm smaller than the 60. I always reference the Hickeys conversion chart.

https://www.hickeys.com/assets/pdf/mpcechartbt706.pdf

Here's another one I like
http://www.dwerden.com/Mouthpieces/trombone.cfm

For what it's worth, I have a Hammond 20BXL that I'm thinking about selling (28.5mm). It's a little smaller than a 60, but larger than a 59 (bigger cup).
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Post by tbonesullivan » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:12 pm

Just be aware that those charts show PUBLISHED specifications. As many have found out by taking actual measurements, there can be differences. There also can be a difference of opinion on where the rim ends and the cup begins.
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Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by Burgerbob » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:12 pm

tbonesullivan wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:01 pm
Ferguson / Hornguys have worked with James New, the former mouthpiece guy at Kanstul. They have some very nice Minick Replicas. Their LS model is the closest to a Schilke 60 at 29.00 mm. That puts it a bit larger than the Yeo and the 1G. They also make some smaller ones.

https://www.hornguys.com/collections/tr ... mouthpiece
Those also have a large, rounded rim. Very different from the "normal" large mouthpieces, if you like that.
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Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Post by tbonesullivan » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:18 pm

Burgerbob wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:12 pm
Those also have a large, rounded rim. Very different from the "normal" large mouthpieces, if you like that.
The tiny rims on most bass mouthpieces have honestly been a big issue for me. I had a Yamaha 60 for a while, but couldn't get past that "barely there" rim. It's also the reason why I am not a huge fan of some tuba mouthpieces: NO RIM.

The Ferguson mouthpieces seem to be different for each inside and out, as they are not made from blanks.
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