Marcellus

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Tbarh
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Marcellus

Post by Tbarh » Wed May 15, 2019 10:18 am

Was the Conn /Benge/UMI "Marcellus" mouthpiece available with a small shank?

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Doug Elliott
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Re: Marcellus

Post by Doug Elliott » Wed May 15, 2019 11:11 am

Not that I know of.
Posaunus
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Re: Marcellus

Post by Posaunus » Wed May 15, 2019 1:04 pm

I think such a mouthpiece (roughly 5G size in the Bach world, with a deep V-shaped cup) would be rather large for most small-shank applications - but I've seen folks use a similarly-sized small-shank Schilke 51D, so what do I know? :idk:
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Re: Marcellus

Post by Tbarh » Wed May 15, 2019 1:34 pm

Posaunus wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:04 pm
I think such a mouthpiece (roughly 5G size in the Bach world, with a deep V-shaped cup) would be rather large for most small-shank applications - but I've seen folks use a similarly-sized small-shank Schilke 51D, so what do I know? :idk:
Big, Maybe.. But with a tighter throat.. Remember, a Bach 36 and even a Conn 78H can be used symphonically...would make a good " one size fits all" piece.. :good:
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Re: Marcellus

Post by Posaunus » Wed May 15, 2019 5:28 pm

The large-shank Marcellus does not have a "tight throat" - it's 6.40mm (0.252") diameter; cup I.D is 25.50mm per spec.

Closest small-shank in the Bach family is probably Bach 5GS, also 25.50mm cup, 6.63mm (0.261") throat - or just a touch larger than a 6½AL. Certainly a reasonable option for a Bach 36 or Conn 78H/79H, especially in a "concert" setting. (My oversight - I was originally thinking small-bore trombones when I said a small-shank Marcellus might be too large.) :oops:

Other small-bore options roughly in this size range:
• Giardinelli SYM-AL
• Giardinelli 4M
• Giddings "Harry Watters"
• Hammond 12M
• Josef Klier 7C
• Laskey 54M
• Denis Wick 6BS
• Denis Wick 5BS
• Yamaha 51 (older model)
• Doug Elliott
Tbarh
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Re: Marcellus

Post by Tbarh » Thu May 16, 2019 1:14 am

Posaunus wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 5:28 pm
The large-shank Marcellus does not have a "tight throat" - it's 6.40mm (0.252") diameter; cup I.D is 25.50mm per spec.

Closest small-shank in the Bach family is probably Bach 5GS, also 25.50mm cup, 6.63mm (0.261") throat - or just a touch larger than a 6½AL. Certainly a reasonable option for a Bach 36 or Conn 78H/79H, especially in a "concert" setting. (My oversight - I was originally thinking small-bore trombones when I said a small-shank Marcellus might be too large.) :oops:

Other small-bore options roughly in this size range:
• Giardinelli SYM-AL
• Giardinelli 4M
• Giddings "Harry Watters"
• Hammond 12M
• Josef Klier 7C
• Laskey 54M
• Denis Wick 6BS
• Denis Wick 5BS
• Yamaha 51 (older model)
• Doug Elliott
Thanks for the suggestions :good:
I suppose that the throat is not right per se, but with this rim/Cup size i think its comparatively small.. This was my favourite piece when i played Tenor exclusively so i am having someone make one of them with a 1 1/2G rim to make bass doubling easier..
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