Schilke shanks?

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Schilke shanks?

Post by NordicTrombone » Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:23 am

Here's a question to all you Schilke fans:

On all three Schilke mouthpieces I've tried the last year(51D and two 52E2) there's an issue with them not fitting perfectly in the reciever. I've tried them in two euphoniums and a couple of trombones and the problem was the same. Is this a common problem and can it be fixed?

I think they're newer versions and not long shank ones, they are all the same length as other mouthpieces in my collection. And I don't have this issue with any other large shank mouthpieces so I think my horns are OK.

I'm looking forward to hear your experiences and tips :biggrin:
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Re: Schilke shanks?

Post by hornbuilder » Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:13 pm

In what way do they not fit?
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Re: Schilke shanks?

Post by Kevbach33 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:03 pm

Are they bottoming out? As in, are they hitting the knurling at the large end of the shank?

I have both modern and old, long shank 58s and found that the space between knurling and receiver on the modern 58 was very close on my Besson, about ⅛" of space. The old one sticks out about as far between knurling and receiver as my Bach mouthpieces do on my Holton tenor (about ½").

Disclosure: for some reason, neither Schilke fits right in the Holton... They wobble, suggesting the shank end is hitting the end of the receiver.
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Re: Schilke shanks?

Post by NordicTrombone » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:33 pm

hornbuilder wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:13 pm
In what way do they not fit?
My op was a bit inaccurate, they wobble.
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Re: Schilke shanks?

Post by NordicTrombone » Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:36 pm

Kevbach33 wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:03 pm
Are they bottoming out? As in, are they hitting the knurling at the large end of the shank?

I have both modern and old, long shank 58s and found that the space between knurling and receiver on the modern 58 was very close on my Besson, about ⅛" of space. The old one sticks out about as far between knurling and receiver as my Bach mouthpieces do on my Holton tenor (about ½").

Disclosure: for some reason, neither Schilke fits right in the Holton... They wobble, suggesting the shank end is hitting the end of the receiver.
They all wobble a bit. On my euphonium it sounds as if they hit the start of leadpipe and on my large tenor they just don't fit snugly. The wobble is consistent in all my large shank leadpipes :idk:
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Re: Schilke shanks?

Post by Vegastokc » Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:18 pm

NordicTrombone wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:36 pm


They all wobble a bit....
My daily for the past couple years is a small shank 51. Wobbles in every horn except maybe the pBone. :D

FWIW: I use a little Teflon tape - about a 2 inch length wrapped on the very end.
It works well to create a seal. Plus it's cheap and readily available.
Usually have to replace it about every 2-3 days. :good:
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Post by Kbiggs » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:26 pm

NordicTrombone wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:33 pm
hornbuilder wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:13 pm
In what way do they not fit?
My op was a bit inaccurate, they wobble.
Just to be sure: You have one of the newer Schilkes with the standard Morse taper? And you have an instrument with the standard Morse taper in the leadpipe? (I know, “Morse taper” is not really accurate, but it’s understood in this context.)

The older Schilke mpcs had a long shank that was intended to fit in both types of receivers: the standard “Morse” taper and the “Brown and Sharpe/Remington” taper.

If you have an instrument with a “Morse” taper leadpipe and one of the newer Schilke mpcs, perhaps the receiver is mis-shapen? OTOH, If you have an instrument with a “Morse” taper leadpipe and one of the older Schilke mpcs, then plumber’s type (as mentioned above) can help. Same with a “Remington” receiver and a Schilke long shank.
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Post by Kbiggs » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:34 pm

Complete diversion…

“Longshanks” was the name given to Edward I, one of the first English kings to invade Scotland. He was known as Edward Longshanks and the Hammer of the Scots (Latin: Malleus Scotorum), and was King of England from 1272 to 1307. He’s mentioned in the movie Braveheart (which was historically inaccurate in many ways). He was, from historical accounts, very tall—and a right b@stard.

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Re: Schilke shanks?`

Post by NordicTrombone » Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:15 am

Kbiggs wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:26 pm
NordicTrombone wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:33 pm

My op was a bit inaccurate, they wobble.
Just to be sure: You have one of the newer Schilkes with the standard Morse taper? And you have an instrument with the standard Morse taper in the leadpipe? (I know, “Morse taper” is not really accurate, but it’s understood in this context.)

The older Schilke mpcs had a long shank that was intended to fit in both types of receivers: the standard “Morse” taper and the “Brown and Sharpe/Remington” taper.

If you have an instrument with a “Morse” taper leadpipe and one of the newer Schilke mpcs, perhaps the receiver is mis-shapen? OTOH, If you have an instrument with a “Morse” taper leadpipe and one of the older Schilke mpcs, then plumber’s type (as mentioned above) can help. Same with a “Remington” receiver and a Schilke long shank.
I believe I have newer ones, yes. They are all the same length as other large shank mouthpieces I have.

All other brands fits perfectly in my horns, it´s only the Schilkes that wobble. This leads me to think that the issue is not in my instruments :) I will certainly give tape on the shank a try!
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Re: Schilke shanks?

Post by pjanda1 » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:11 pm

By "same length," how long are they? My new shank 51 fits perfectly snug in my Edwards. My old long shank 51C4 and 51 wobble a bit in both a Remington leadpipe (Elkhart 8H) and the Edwards, though less so in the Edwards. My shorter/newer Schilke is the same length as Griego/Bach etc, so you are probably right that it isn't a long shank.

See if somebody has a proper truing tool (one you put the mouthpiece in; not something you put in the mouthpiece). They could be just a tiny bit out of round.

It also might be worth asking Schilke. I ordered a "Remington" shank Schilke 51 new from a reputable source. It was very much not a Remington shank or large shank. Smaller than either, but bigger than a small shank. The dealer explained that of the batch he ordered, there was one that was just right and the rest were like the one I returned. So I don't entirely trust the consistency of present-day Schilke.

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Post by robcat2075 » Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:55 pm

FWIW, here's a shot of Schilke shanks...
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Post by CarlVicVogel » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:27 pm

Looks like my older Schilke 50. I wound up buying the shorter version to work with my Bach 42.

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Re: Schilke shanks?

Post by bigbandbone » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:25 am

When I was still repairing horn before I retired I encountered this "wobble" problem on several brands of new mouthpieces. The worst being Jetone.
I determined that the problem was caused during the plating process. The end of the mouthpiece closest to the anode builds a thicker layer of silver plating.
To fix it I would mount the mouthpiece in the lathe with a live center and use 500 grit sandpaper to take down the diameter at the end of the shank. Just a little at a time till the wobble would disappear.
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