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Anyone tried them? I see they combine edge btacing as known by edwards and vibrabell as known from the Hagmann custom horns.

Add the screw bell and it looks like a cool horn!

So what are your impressions?
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Yes! Awesome outfits! The guys knocked it out of the park on these horns. I can tell you that it is probably the best outfit available at any dealers- complete with flat Marcus Bonna case and accessories. Note the edge bracing applies to the bass trombone only because of the vibre-bell set up. and I believe the pricing is very good too!

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timbone wrote: Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:20 pm Yes! Awesome outfits! The guys knocked it out of the park on these horns. I can tell you that it is probably the best outfit available at any dealers- complete with flat Marcus Bonna case and accessories. Note the edge bracing applies to the bass trombone only because of the vibre-bell set up. and I believe the pricing is very good too!

How is the vibrabell set up? On my two Hagmann custom horns, the screws holding the vibrabell in place can unscrew themselves when the horn vibrates strongly and thus they can create an annoying buzz. How did courtois solve this?

Do you detailled pics of the vibrabell?
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I have not heard of that problem yet but if it was a problem, I'm sure Paul would let me know. I can send you some detailed photos.
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If that screw comes loose you can use teflon tape or locktite on it.

For a little context for those who might be familiar with different terminologies:
1) As best as I can tell from the marketing material, "Vibrabell" means that the screws keep the bell in place rather than having the brace soldered directly to the bell. Ergo, it is modular.

2) "Edge bracing" is when you don't attach the f attachment tubing to the bell the way Edwards used to. The non-edge bracing are the little wings that are built into the bell that the F tubing screws into.
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timbone wrote: Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:50 pm I have not heard of that problem yet but if it was a problem, I'm sure Paul would let me know. I can send you some detailed photos.
Yep, would like to see some pictures
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What exactly is the vibre-bell system?
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As best I can tell, it basically means modular.
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mrdeacon wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:11 pm What exactly is the vibre-bell system?
http://www.trombone.ch/EN/customshop.html#convertible

In my experience convertible but also helping the sound.
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cozzagiorgi wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:07 pm
mrdeacon wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:11 pm What exactly is the vibre-bell system?
http://www.trombone.ch/EN/customshop.html#convertible

In my experience convertible but also helping the sound.
Looks elegant!

Any benefits to using this modular system versus traditional Edwards Edge bracing or Shires style bracing? I'm curious because this thread is the first I've heard of this system!
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mrdeacon, can't compare. Never played an edwards or Shires for long enough.
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Is that an Edwards harmonic brace ripoff in that first pic?
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Its a system that Rene Hagmann developed. When I figure out how to post some pic, I will. Its been out for a while.

http://www.trombone.ch/EN/customshop.html#convertible
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:amazed:
timbone wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:16 am Its a system that Rene Hagmann developed. When I figure out how to post some pic, I will. Its been out for a while.

http://www.trombone.ch/EN/customshop.html#convertible
But does a harmonic pillar screw into the gold bridge? If so, I wonder if the edwards or haggman one was first.
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No, not a harmonic pillar. Just a screw.
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For those of you interested, here are some pics of my hagmann custom tenor. Based on a bach 42b.
https://app.box.com/s/zn8ncf4fqrlxqzhwobenh9w2z5obxq5d

Also a pic of the screw.

The work was done in 2004 and the system already existed well before that.

Hope this link works.
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Have been in contact with the sales rep for Switzerland. Those models have not yet been launched in europe. Seems rather strange for a european brand, but I guess thats all marketing strategy.
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To answer the above- there is a launch called the Creation series of which the New York series is one of four to launch. The others; the Amsterdammer (Jorgen van Rijen), The Parisienne (Michel Becquet) and the Berliner (Stefan Schultz). The other guys are still tweeking their horns that I am aware of.......
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timbone wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:30 pm To answer the above- there is a launch called the Creation series of which the New York series is one of four to launch. The others; the Amsterdammer (Jorgen van Rijen), The Parisienne (Michel Becquet) and the Berliner (Stefan Schultz). The other guys are still tweeking their horns that I am aware of.......
Interesting, thank you for that information.

With these high level artists working on horns, some great trombones should come around.
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The NY tenor slide also seems to differ from the standard AC420 BH based on the description on the Courtois web site. Does anyone know what the differences are if any?
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cozzagiorgi wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:42 pm
timbone wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:30 pm To answer the above- there is a launch called the Creation series of which the New York series is one of four to launch. The others; the Amsterdammer (Jorgen van Rijen), The Parisienne (Michel Becquet) and the Berliner (Stefan Schultz). The other guys are still tweeking their horns that I am aware of.......
Interesting, thank you for that information.

With these high level artists working on horns, some great trombones should come around.
It has not often been the case that high level artist input has created great horns.... at least, not single artist input. Great players can make anything sound great, so they often have a job working out how good a horn actually is. Also, many great players have a unique style that is not mainstream and look for different qualities in an instrument to most players..... this is why a lot of companies (like Yamaha) consult many top players during development to find elements of consensus.
Top player endorsements can help a new model sell better in the early days.... nobody cares who had a hand in the Conn 88H now..... it stands on it's own merits.

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The slide on the New York tenor has a leadpipe picked by Weston and extrusions on the outer slide, which makes it a little more vibrant than a slide with nickel sleeves, which is standard.
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If anyone is interested I just played 3 New Yorker tenors, 2 rose brass and 1 yellow brass. They are 1 day away and I can get one in your hands in about a week. Fantastic sound. I preferred the rose brass bell - very rich.
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hoy127 wrote: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:00 pm If anyone is interested I just played 3 New Yorker tenors, 2 rose brass and 1 yellow brass. They are 1 day away and I can get one in your hands in about a week. Fantastic sound. I preferred the rose brass bell - very rich.Creation New Yorker Courtois JPG
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Yes, small time. Just trombones. These tenors are extremely appealing. I also love the B&S tenors, very responsive. Just got a B&S bass, a beautiful looking horn and also very responsive. Pix on facebook's trombone marketplace.
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Cool. Yeah, all those horns look great
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Looks like they have been released in europe since they are now available at thomann.de.

Interesting to see their bass is the most expensive one at thomann. Even more than Rath or Shires:
https://www.thomann.de/intl/ch/bassposaunen.html?oa=prd

The tenor pricing is more in the range of the others:

https://www.thomann.de/intl/ch/tenorpos ... tml?oa=prd

Really tempting... especially considering thpmanns great return policy...
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cozzagiorgi wrote: Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:42 am Looks like they have been released in europe since they are now available at thomann.de.

Interesting to see their bass is the most expensive one at thomann. Even more than Rath or Shires:
https://www.thomann.de/intl/ch/bassposaunen.html?oa=prd

The tenor pricing is more in the range of the others:

https://www.thomann.de/intl/ch/tenorpos ... tml?oa=prd

Really tempting... especially considering thpmanns great return policy...
I’ve been told they come with a Marcus Bonna case, so that would explain the pricing :good:
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I hope they have these horns at ITF this coming summer. I'd really like to try one.
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Yes they do come with Bonna cases!
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Bump this thread, does anyone know where to find a place to by the vibrabell screws?
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You should be able to order them from any authorized Buffet (Courtois) dealer. Dillons, Landress, etc...
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