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Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:50 pm
by ebrenner
Which bass trombone bell sections will work with a Conn SL6262 slide?

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:08 pm
by elmsandr
Getzen 1052/1062.

Not sure of any others. Conns will depend on vintage and length, but that may or may not matter to you.

Cheers,
Andy

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:44 pm
by Burgerbob
Should work with all Conns, including side tuning bell sections (so, the fabled "no tuning" option).

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:08 pm
by blast
Burgerbob wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:44 pm
Should work with all Conns, including side tuning bell sections (so, the fabled "no tuning" option).
Will not work with 'long slide' models... especially late 70H. Also 71H, 72H, 73H.. also poss 83H... otherwise....

Chris

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:38 pm
by Burgerbob
blast wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:08 pm
Burgerbob wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:44 pm
Should work with all Conns, including side tuning bell sections (so, the fabled "no tuning" option).
Will not work with 'long slide' models... especially late 70H. Also 71H, 72H, 73H.. also poss 83H... otherwise....

Chris
Are the connectors different? I swear I swapped some things around with a 70H, but I could be misremembering.

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:47 pm
by BGuttman
The SL6262 is designed a bit shorter than the slide normally supplied with the 70, 71, 72, and 73. This means that the bell section of these horns is a shade short and the combination may be unacceptably sharp.

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:06 pm
by Burgerbob
Well, yes, but it'll fit. I wouldn't use one as a suitable replacement on anything except a modern 62 or 110-112.

But it'll fit on more than that.

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:15 am
by PhilipEdCarlson
Burgerbob wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:44 pm
fabled "no tuning" option
Before now, I have only heard one other person mention this. Would the 70H Bell/72H be the best option for it?

I borrowed a double Hagman valved 72H for a week and LOVED it! I dream of having something similar with the 72H slide/70H bell.
the
7270H2HI

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:50 am
by Burgerbob
PhilipEdCarlson wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:15 am
Burgerbob wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:44 pm
fabled "no tuning" option
Before now, I have only heard one other person mention this. Would the 70H Bell/72H be the best option for it?

I borrowed a double Hagman valved 72H for a week and LOVED it! I dream of having something similar with the 72H slide/70H bell.
the
7270H2HI
Oh, no. I think everyone would agree that a TIS slide should go with a TIS bell, and vise versa. You'll miss some kind of option when you have no tuning!

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:15 am
by blast
The SL6262 will FIT all Conn bass trombones with the standard Conn connector. It will not WORK with the designs that have short bell sections.... the instrument would be very very sharp.
The OP asked what would WORK.

Chris

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:29 am
by Matt K
At least very sharp is still potentially useable (in a pinch!). Much better than very flat. Can't use that at all. Can always use long positions on a sharp horn. Had to do that once when my main slide was damaged and about to go on stage. Better than no horn, albeit non optimal.

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:37 am
by blast
Okay, I surrender..... you can use it with whatever you like.... there, that's helpful.

Chris

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:14 am
by mrdeacon
Burgerbob wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:38 pm
blast wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:08 pm
Burgerbob wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:44 pm
Should work with all Conns, including side tuning bell sections (so, the fabled "no tuning" option).
Will not work with 'long slide' models... especially late 70H. Also 71H, 72H, 73H.. also poss 83H... otherwise....

Chris
Are the connectors different? I swear I swapped some things around with a 70H, but I could be misremembering.
It's border line unplayable. With a 71H or 72H the 71H tuning slide is basically falling off. I've swapped my Minick slide to use with a friends 71H and it was ridiculously sharp.

Vice versa when I tried the long slide on my Minick it was unplayable flat. It was at least 30 or 40 cents flat with my tuning slide all the way in.

To OP Conn slides fit on Getzen bass trombones. I know some people who have used Conn .562 bass slides on Getzen 1062's because they didn't like the stock dual bore slide.

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:57 am
by afugate
blast wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:37 am
Okay, I surrender..... you can use it with whatever you like.... there, that's helpful.

Chris
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

--Andy in OKC

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:06 am
by greenbean
Guys, be realistic. Conn TIS and TIB slides are not compatible. Period.

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:10 am
by MoominDave
I spent a while using a 72H slide on a 62HCL bell section. It's an amusing discipline to teach yourself never to use 1st position...

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:46 am
by Matt K
Woah, hold yer horses everyone! Nobody, as far as I can tell, was suggesting that it's a good idea to play with an incredibly short slide in the long term. But at the same time, acknowledging that there are limited scenario where it might be at least usable or provide useful information.

E.g. you have two slides that will work on your bell, but one is remarkably short. The normal slide gets damaged. You go on stage in five minutes. Having a horn is better than not playing at all.

Second scenario - you have a good bell section and want a slide for it. You find slide parts and are needing to know if it's compatible. Well, it's important to know that the slide tenon will at least fit properly into the bell so that you can either have another one made or have someone convert it into TIS.

The opposite problem, having a slide too long, can be really problematic sine you can't just lower where your positions are. You don't have access to Bb in first! Still the second scenario from above could still yield useful information if you wanted to alter the slide but you wouldn't nearly as readily be able to use it in a pinch as a slide that's too short.

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:01 am
by BGuttman
Note: original question was which bell sections work for a Conn 6262 slide. This is a "normal" (i.e. not long) slide. While the older bells like the 72H will mount on the slide tenon, the result will be less than optimal. Probably the original request was what "normal" length bell sections will mate naturally with his slide. Anybody try a Yamaha 612?

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:25 pm
by mrdeacon
greenbean wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:06 am
Guys, be realistic. Conn TIS and TIB slides are not compatible. Period.
Not really true... a TIS slide with the tuning mechanism all the way in is about the same length as a TIB slide. There are sometimes benefits to using a TIS slide on a TIB horn.

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:48 am
by greenbean
Right. But most Conn basses (the ones I have owned) had long slides. I owned a 62H and swapped slides with my 71H and 72H. Definitely a no-go. But perhaps I am over-generalizing sinc e not all Conn slides are long (and bell sections short).