Olds Recording R20

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Olds Recording R20

Post by Jmindeman » Thu May 31, 2018 8:56 am

Hello. Has anyone played a 60's-70's Olds R20 Recording with f attachment? What are your impressions? Thanks.
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Post by JohnL » Thu May 31, 2018 12:45 pm

I used one for a few years playing in a local big band (not one you're likely to have ever heard of), including a couple years on lead. I didn't switch to a different horn, I just stopped playing with that band. The R-20 is still my go-to horn for some things, it's just that I don't do those things that often these days.

The mouthpiece receiver is a bit undersize, so standard mouthpiece don't go in quite as far as on a regular receiver. That causes problems for some people but not for others (never really bothered me).

If you need to cut through, it'll do it for you. If you need to blend, it'll do that, too. I consider the trigger register entirely usable, though the notes tend to be barky.

The listen-with-their-eyes crowd sees the 8.5" bell and the f-attachment and just assumes that it's a symphony-bore tenor, so I sometimes refer to it as a "stealth small bore".
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Post by Jmindeman » Thu May 31, 2018 12:57 pm

Thanks!
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Post by imsevimse » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:08 am

I have an R20. It was sold as a bass trombone when it was made. It does not sound at all like a modern bass not even close to a large bore. It is small dual bore horn with f-attachment and oversized bell. I think bore is .495/.510 (from memory). I think my horn suffers from the strange receiver.

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Post by JohnL » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:42 pm

In some ways, the R-20 veers toward German "tenor posaune" territory. The bore is .495"/.510" (12.6 mm/12.95 mm) which, along with the 8.5" (216 mm) bell, isn't too far removed from the typical "Weite 2". The Lätzsch SL-250 is 12,4 mm/12,9 mm (.488"/.508") with a 220 mm (8.66") bell. The slide vs. bell proportions are more "American".

You'd never mistake it for a tenor posaune, but it shades more in that direction than just about any other American trombone. I've heard told that a fair portion of Olds' workforce in those days was from Central and Eastern Europe, so that may have colored some of the design choices.
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Post by Arrowhead » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:21 pm

I have an R20. SN: 948903 (<-70's?)
Oddly enough, it does not require a special mp shank like every other Recording I have ever tried. So maybe at some point Olds switched over to a more common taper.
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Post by BflatBass » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:58 pm

Jmindeman wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 8:56 am
Hello. Has anyone played a 60's-70's Olds R20 Recording with f attachment? What are your impressions? Thanks.
Funny you should ask about this horn because a guy in one of my community bands uses one and I got into a conversation with him about it because I'd never seen one before and I thought it was an interesting horn. I took a picture of it with my phone to see if anyone here has used one but you beat me to it :D .
I've also never seen so much rose or red brass used on a trombone especially in the valve rap. He said he's seen other R20's that were all yellow brass, Including the bell. He also said that, according to his research, his was made sometime in the early 1960's. He said he picked it up at a local pawn shop for $200.
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Re: Olds Recording R20

Post by Davidus1 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:47 pm

BflatBass wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:58 pm
Jmindeman wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 8:56 am
Hello. Has anyone played a 60's-70's Olds R20 Recording with f attachment? What are your impressions? Thanks.
Funny you should ask about this horn because a guy in one of my community bands uses one and I got into a conversation with him about it because I'd never seen one before and I thought it was an interesting horn. I took a picture of it with my phone to see if anyone here has used one but you beat me to it :D .
I've also never seen so much rose or red brass used on a trombone especially in the valve rap. He said he's seen other R20's that were all yellow brass, Including the bell. He also said that, according to his research, his was made sometime in the early 1960's. He said he picked it up at a local pawn shop for $200.
You may have seen this link but it has some great pictures and info about the Olds horns.

http://www.itsabear.com/Olds_Docs/Olds1970.pdf

I am interested in a straight Recording horn but haven't been able to play one.
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Re: Olds Recording R20

Post by DrTbone43 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:43 pm

I found my R20 trombone this Summer looking on Craigslist. Fella used the horn for two years in junior high school in the late fifties. Horn was stored in case since use. When I found it the horn was in immaculate condition, like new with original paperwork in the original case. Plays very nice. Will try it out in the big band this Fall. Plays open, nice upper register, short throw with f valve. The finish and metal color makes this a beautiful horn. It's a keeper.
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Re: Olds Recording R20

Post by JohnL » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:02 am

BflatBass wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:58 pm
He said he's seen other R20's that were all yellow brass, Including the bell.
All yellow brass would be an A20 Ambasssador.
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Re: Olds Recording R20

Post by mrdeacon » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:27 pm

JohnL wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:02 am
BflatBass wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:58 pm
He said he's seen other R20's that were all yellow brass, Including the bell.
All yellow brass would be an A20 Ambasssador.
Are the A20s the same bore size, tuning slide and bell mandrel as the R20, just everything is yellow brass?
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Re: Olds Recording R20

Post by BGuttman » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:13 pm

My A-20 had an oval bell brace (R-20 is shown with a round brace).

On mine only one tuning slide on the attachment worked (you need two to get to E).

But my A20 was LA and may have been a little different from most.
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Post by JohnL » Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:59 pm

mrdeacon wrote:
Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:27 pm
Are the A20s the same bore size, tuning slide and bell mandrel as the R20, just everything is yellow brass?
Yup. Different braces, and most A-20's only have one tuning slide in the f-attachment. Most A-20's also have a finger ring underneath the mouthpiece receiver. Unless one takes the time to examine the instrument closely, or is familiar with Olds products, it pretty much looks like a yellow brass R-20.

I have heard tell of A-20's with .510"/.525" slides, but all of the Olds literature I've seen says .495"/.510", and I've never personally measured an A-20 that wasn't .495"/.510". I've seen too much oddball stuff out of both the LA and Fullerton eras to argue that the larger bore version doesn't exist; I've just never seen convincing evidence of it.
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