F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

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F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

Post by cthompsonjr » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:48 pm

Does anyone have any info on this?
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Re: F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

Post by Burgerbob » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:56 pm

Looks like it could be a Bb valve for alto.
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Re: F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

Post by stewbones43 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:12 pm

It is an "F" valve for an early Boosey and Hawkes "Sovereign" Tenor trombone; the Round Stamp model.

The idea was sound but the execution was flawed. There were too many tight bends in the whole thing so it was rather stuffy and the ergonomics of the trigger took some getting used to.

It is rumoured that the Round Stamp Sovereign was based on the Conn 8H so it might be that it would fit an 8H.

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Post by cthompsonjr » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:25 pm

Thanks for the info!
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Re: F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

Post by Kbiggs » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:18 pm

There’s a nice New York 50 for sale on Noah Gladstone’s BrassArk that has a set-up like this. I heard the fellow play who owned this horn. He sounded gorgeous, and I’m sure that any accomplished bass trombonist would also sound great.
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Post by Burgerbob » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:43 pm

Kbiggs wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:18 pm
There’s a nice New York 50 for sale on Noah Gladstone’s BrassArk that has a set-up like this. I heard the fellow play who owned this horn. He sounded gorgeous, and I’m sure that any accomplished bass trombonist would also sound great.
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Post by Elow » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:51 pm

Strange that he hasn’t put up the new pics of that horn after he polished it.
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Re: F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

Post by StephenK » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:54 pm

I had a besson sovereign roundstamp with an attachment just like that, which could be swapped for a regular tuning slide.
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Post by CalgaryTbone » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:57 pm

Those Boosey valves did fit Conn 8H's. There was another student at Juilliard who used one of those in his 8H.

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Post by LeTromboniste » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:11 am

German trombones were and are often built like that, although with the valve usually lower down the leg and a simple leather thong pull with the spring directly on the valve. It's a very elegant way to have a convertible system!
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Post by ChadA » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:22 am

I’d actually be interested in this concept. I have a great Elkhart 8H bell section that I don’t want to modify in any way. A good drop in f attachment would be intriguing.
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Re: F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

Post by stewbones43 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:34 am

ChadA wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:22 am
I’d actually be interested in this concept. I have a great Elkhart 8H bell section that I don’t want to modify in any way. A good drop in f attachment would be intriguing.
I recommend that you try it first or prepare to be disappointed! You asked for a "good" drop in F attachment.

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Re: F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

Post by CalgaryTbone » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:43 am

ChadA wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:22 am
I’d actually be interested in this concept. I have a great Elkhart 8H bell section that I don’t want to modify in any way. A good drop in f attachment would be intriguing.
If memory serves, the Besson/Boosey versions of this set-up were a bit stuffy. This was long before Thayers and Hagmans, etc. so most valves tended to play with more resistance. A good tech might be able to figure out a better wrap, etc. to help with that. Also, it's a very long throw for the valve. Again, as I remember, the action on the Boosey valve wasn't that bad considering that, but I think the wrap was set up partially so that the long rod from the thumb to the valve could be braced to avoid it getting bent from normal usage, banging around in a case, etc.

I have a plug-in valve for a 72H - it is in the F attachment tuning slide. That long linkage is something that you want to be very careful with, because it can be easily damaged. The same would be true for a main tuning slide valve. It is an interesting concept for a way to add a valve to a horn with minimal "surgery".

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Post by GabrielRice » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:17 pm

Kbiggs wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:18 pm
There’s a nice New York 50 for sale on Noah Gladstone’s BrassArk that has a set-up like this. I heard the fellow play who owned this horn. He sounded gorgeous, and I’m sure that any accomplished bass trombonist would also sound great.
I've played this instrument. The sound would be a little light for most of the situations I play in, but the response is marvelous, and that 2nd valve works great.
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Re: F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

Post by mrdeacon » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:17 pm

A well made tuning slide or birds nest valve can be a beast. To a certain extent I feel there might even be some advantages to them.

I'm general my 1966 TR185 blows better in the single and double trigger registers than my fixed double plug basses... The pedal register with the valves definitely suffers though on the birds nest.
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Re: F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

Post by harrisonreed » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:57 pm

That seems like it would really mess with the mojo of the crook
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