F-Attachment in tuning slide!?!?

[cthompsonjr]

Does anyone have any info on this?

[Burgerbob]

Looks like it could be a Bb valve for alto.

[stewbones43]

It is an "F" valve for an early Boosey and Hawkes "Sovereign" Tenor trombone; the Round Stamp model.

The idea was sound but the execution was flawed. There were too many tight bends in the whole thing so it was rather stuffy and the ergonomics of the trigger took some getting used to.

It is rumoured that the Round Stamp Sovereign was based on the Conn 8H so it might be that it would fit an 8H.

Cheers

Stewbones

[cthompsonjr]

Thanks for the info!

[Kbiggs]

There’s a nice New York 50 for sale on Noah Gladstone’s BrassArk that has a set-up like this. I heard the fellow play who owned this horn. He sounded gorgeous, and I’m sure that any accomplished bass trombonist would also sound great.

[Burgerbob]

There’s a nice New York 50 for sale on Noah Gladstone’s BrassArk that has a set-up like this. I heard the fellow play who owned this horn. He sounded gorgeous, and I’m sure that any accomplished bass trombonist would also sound great.

For reference-

[Elow]

Strange that he hasn’t put up the new pics of that horn after he polished it.

[StephenK]

I had a besson sovereign roundstamp with an attachment just like that, which could be swapped for a regular tuning slide.

[CalgaryTbone]

Those Boosey valves did fit Conn 8H's. There was another student at Juilliard who used one of those in his 8H.

Jim Scott

[LeTromboniste]

German trombones were and are often built like that, although with the valve usually lower down the leg and a simple leather thong pull with the spring directly on the valve. It's a very elegant way to have a convertible system!

[ChadA]

I’d actually be interested in this concept. I have a great Elkhart 8H bell section that I don’t want to modify in any way. A good drop in f attachment would be intriguing.

[stewbones43]

I’d actually be interested in this concept. I have a great Elkhart 8H bell section that I don’t want to modify in any way. A good drop in f attachment would be intriguing.

I recommend that you try it first or prepare to be disappointed! You asked for a "good" drop in F attachment.

Cheers

Stewbones

[CalgaryTbone]

I’d actually be interested in this concept. I have a great Elkhart 8H bell section that I don’t want to modify in any way. A good drop in f attachment would be intriguing.

If memory serves, the Besson/Boosey versions of this set-up were a bit stuffy. This was long before Thayers and Hagmans, etc. so most valves tended to play with more resistance. A good tech might be able to figure out a better wrap, etc. to help with that. Also, it's a very long throw for the valve. Again, as I remember, the action on the Boosey valve wasn't that bad considering that, but I think the wrap was set up partially so that the long rod from the thumb to the valve could be braced to avoid it getting bent from normal usage, banging around in a case, etc.

I have a plug-in valve for a 72H - it is in the F attachment tuning slide. That long linkage is something that you want to be very careful with, because it can be easily damaged. The same would be true for a main tuning slide valve. It is an interesting concept for a way to add a valve to a horn with minimal "surgery".

Jim Scott

[GabrielRice]

There’s a nice New York 50 for sale on Noah Gladstone’s BrassArk that has a set-up like this. I heard the fellow play who owned this horn. He sounded gorgeous, and I’m sure that any accomplished bass trombonist would also sound great.

I've played this instrument. The sound would be a little light for most of the situations I play in, but the response is marvelous, and that 2nd valve works great.

[mrdeacon]

A well made tuning slide or birds nest valve can be a beast. To a certain extent I feel there might even be some advantages to them.

I'm general my 1966 TR185 blows better in the single and double trigger registers than my fixed double plug basses... The pedal register with the valves definitely suffers though on the birds nest.

[harrisonreed]

That seems like it would really mess with the mojo of the crook