King Slide Compatibility

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I'm copying this info from something Klimchak posted a few days ago because I've frequently wanted to know this info
2B/Jiggs/old single bore Liberty/605/older tempo with 7.5” nickel [plated] bell are compatible

3B/2B+/606/Benge 170/Tempo with 8” nickel bell are compatible

3B+/607/608/609/Benge 160,175 are compatible

4B/5B/Benge 165 and 190 are compatible
Going ahead and stickying this here. Just dawned on me it might be a good idea to do this for other manfuacturers too (such as how Bach 42 and 50 slides may work with Edwards bells, etc.)
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To the 4B/5B/Benge 165 and 190 add 6B(Duo Gravis) and 7B.
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To the 2B sizes add the Cleveland Superior. (I swapped my 2B bell with a Superior and love sound of the bigger throat.)

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To the 3B/606 sizes, add the Bach (yes, you read that right!) Liberty. Conn-Selmer must have been doing some experimenting in the early days of the merger, and put out a Bach-stamped horn with a King-style bell tenon and nut. Classic Bach-style dual-radius slide; all nickel-silver.

Not all Bach Liberty horns have the slide-side nut, but those that do use the same nut/tenon/receiver as a King 606.
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Kingfan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:56 pm To the 4B/5B/Benge 165 and 190 add 6B(Duo Gravis) and 7B.
The King bass trombone tapered slide tenon (from models 6B, 7B and 8B) does not fit very well in the bell section slide receiver of the King 4B/5B and/or Benge 165/190. Yes it will “sort of” do a friction fit, but the bass trombone male connector it is a bit too large. The threading would probably only connect if either/both parts were extremely worn.
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I just did a test with my 4B and 7B. The 4B slide fit into the 7B very well, and once the nut was tightened seemed very playable. The 7B slide fit into the 4B but the tenon ring was quite a bit further from the receiver but it was close enough to get enough threads to engage with the receiver nut and be playable. I didn't live test either one, but once I get my chops back (I had surgery recently) I can do a full play test if anybody is interested.
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The 7B slide on the 4b simulates Jay Friedman's Bach setup (50 slide on a 42).
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I have a 7B slide tenon male part that I bought about 10 years ago for a customer project that was canceled. It definitely does not fit in the King 4B and 5Bs that have come through the shop……I have tried it on many of them. Maybe there are different compatibilities for different vintages? Better yet, possibly the part that was sent to me is not a 7B tenon?
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I have a friend who used a 4B bell on an 88H slide (press fit) for a while. His 88H bell needed some repairs, and he didn't have a spare horn - someone loaned him the 4B to use. While experimenting with the King, he discovered that the bell would fit on the Conn slide, but you had to treat it as a "press fit' since the bell nut is on the bell for the Conn and on the slide for the King. It worked pretty well for him, but he went back to his regular equipment once the repairs were done.

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Is there a thread for Yamaha slide compatibility?
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hyperbolica wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:39 pm Is there a thread for Yamaha slide compatibility?
There is now
https://trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=27866
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Thanks. I'm starting to get interested in some of the odd Yamaha stuff, like the Japan only models. So far 455 is a straight 500/525 (like a 356 without the valve) and the 353 looks similar to the 354.
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There’s also a straight 356 iirc. I ordered those parts to have a straight section awhile ago.
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My Besson 737 bell is compatible with my 3B+ hand slide

(also the tuning slide)
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Wow - I am glad I read this thread. I have owned *many* 4Bs, 5Bs, and Duo Gravi but have never swapped slides! Even though I have swapped lots of small King slides as well as my numerous Bach 16 & 16M's.

I have a Benge 190F, a 1963 King 1480 ("pre-5B"), and a King 1485 Silver Sonic. All slides are perfectly swappable and all combinations play great!
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Greenbean, Will a 1480 slide fit a 4B and 5B?
Not sure if I understood your post clearly.
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Yes, these horns have swappable slides (confirmed this morning):

--Benge 190F
--1972 King 4B
--1982 King 5B
--1960 HN White King 1485 SS
--1963 HN White King 1480

Their slides are all .547 and have identical dimensions - except for width. All combos played well w/no response or intonation issues. Oh, and the mpc receivers were a bit larger on the 5B/1480/1485. Again, not an issue. I played them this morning with a Marcellus mpc. Such great playing horns! :good:
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Did you happen to check with a tuner? I'm assuming it wasn't a big difference either way, just something to keep in mind when addressing such issues, worth noting for someone who might be wanting to acquire something to slot onto a bell section who might be reading this in the future.

For example, I had a fabulous playing Shires T0825GLW slide that had what I suspect was a Bach 36 tenon on it; slotted onto my Mt. Vernon Bach 9 bell section perfectly. Thought it was going to be my forever setup when I was trying it out at Dillon's. Went to play with some drones. Turns out it was like super, super, super flat. Almost "A" flat. No wonder it sounded so dark & rich! Worked no problem on my Shires bells whe I switched the tenon out!
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I did use a tuner. They were all fine.
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Anyone able to check a 606 slide on a 3BF bell section? [edited, I had specified 3B+F]
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