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Your favorite/best improv trombone jazz musicians?

Post by talentedtrombone » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:10 pm

Hey Y'all,

My jazz teacher told me I should have an arsenal of favorite improv jazz musicians so that I could copy their style and actually be good, but I'm too lazy to find them on my own. If you can, can you provide me with some names of improv musicians so that I could develop my arsenal and prepare for a world war of social interaction?

Yes,
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Post by afugate » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:37 am

We can't tell you what you will like... :idk:

https://www.google.com/search?q=top+jaz ... yer+videos

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Post by greenbean » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:38 pm

First, let me say this: lazy and jazz don't really go together.

In any case, there are countless dozens of players that will amaze you. Here are five that I particularly like.

JJ Johnson
Steve Turre
Frank Rosolino
Al Grey
Wayne Wallace
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Post by pompatus » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:55 pm

Listen, lots! By all means, take some of the suggestions here as a jumping off point, but it’s up to you to put the work in. Listen to everything you can get your hands on, in this age of YouTube and digital music that should be very easy. It’s surprising how quickly you can lose track of an afternoon following “rabbit holes” of one video after another of great jazz trombonists on YouTube and other video sites.

Once you have a good feel for some artists whose sound you appreciate, pick your favorite tune of theirs and transcribe the improvisations. Once you’ve got that solo transcribed note for note, then transpose it into the other 11 keys. By that time you should have the tune and the solo memorized, and knowing it in any key will make you a stronger player. Then, choose another tune and repeat. You’ll be surprised how some of those licks start to creep into your own improvisations.

My answer to the original question? Urbie Green and George Roberts, for improv and style/sound
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Post by AndrewMeronek » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:54 pm

Some of my favorites, specific to jazz improv:

Jack Teagarden
Carl Fontana
Frank Rosolino
John Allred
Scott Whitfield
John Fedchock
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Post by hyperbolica » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:15 am

Tons of different styles. Harry Waters, Wycliffe Gordon, JJ Johnson, Kai Winding, Teagarden, Urbie Green, Bill Watrous.
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Post by Doug Elliott » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:30 am

Start with ONE big name you like. It's easy to get overwhelmed and too spread out trying to listen and copy too many different styles.
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Post by talentedtrombone » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:40 am

hyperbolica wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:15 am
Tons of different styles. Harry Waters, Wycliffe Gordon, JJ Johnson, Kai Winding, Teagarden, Urbie Green, Bill Watrous.
Man, Wycliffe Gordon is great!
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Post by Doug Elliott » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:19 pm

Yes, but Wycliffe is not necessarily the best choice as a first one to listen and copy. It's a good idea to go back and listen to who HE listened to. And others.
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Post by Neo Bri » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:26 pm

Start with JJ Johnson. Go in either direction (earlier/later) from there.
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Post by talentedtrombone » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:03 pm

Doug Elliott wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:19 pm
Yes, but Wycliffe is not necessarily the best choice as a first one to listen and copy. It's a good idea to go back and listen to who HE listened to. And others.
Interesting suggestion :good:
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Post by brtnats » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:24 am

For newly approaching the craft? Andy Martin. It's easy to listen to, easily approachable, and you can watch videos of him playing to help with the transcriptions.
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Post by BflatBass » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:50 pm

JJ Johnson
Scott Whitfield
Carl Fontana
Frank Rosolino

You Tube is your friend if you have a way to use it. Even if its on your phone. It's also a good idea to listen to their best solos over and over. Get in their mind and try to understand what they were trying to accomplish. Transcribed solos are good to look at while your listening as well as just the chord changes when trying to understand the technical aspects of each solo.

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Post by RustBeltBass » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:55 am

All names mentioned before, plus Jim Pugh.

If you are on Facebook, check out the WDR Big Band’s website. Their bass trombonist, Mattis Cederberb is laying down the most insane bass trombone improvisation I ever heard.
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Post by Rusty » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:00 am

Steve Davis
Nils Landgren
Fred Wesley

...are some of my faves
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Post by Basbasun » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:37 am

Lots of tips you got there. The absolute best is from Doug. Follow that.
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Post by BflatBass » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:06 pm

RustBeltBass wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:55 am
All names mentioned before, plus Jim Pugh.

If you are on Facebook, check out the WDR Big Band’s website. Their bass trombonist, Mattis Cederberb is laying down the most insane bass trombone improvisation I ever heard.
Mattis is a great talent. Great on tuba, cimbasso and bass trombone. His arrangements/compositions are just fun to listen to.
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Post by Mhoutris » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:03 am

Andy Martin and Bob McChesney!
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Re: Your favorite/best improv trombone jazz musicians?

Post by Grah » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:20 pm

I guess it depends on the style/s of jazz you follow. However, for 'hot' jazz, in my opinion:

John Allred (1962)
Ray Anderson (1952)
David Baker (1931-2016)
Chris Barber (1930)
Bob Brookmeyer (valve trombone), (1929-2011)
Lawrence Brown (1907–1988)
George Brunies (1902–1974)
George Chisholm (1915–1997)
Jimmy Cleveland (1926-2008)
Cutty Cutshall (1911-1968)
Willie Dennis (1926-1965)
Vic Dickenson (1906–1984)
Tommy Dorsey (1905–1956)
Edwin "Daddy" Edwards (1891-1963)
Bob Envoldson (1920-2005)
Carl Fontana (1928–2003)
Curtis Fuller (1934)
Tyree Glenn (1912-1974)
Brad Gowans (1903-1954)
Bennie Green (1923–1977)
Urbie Green (1928)
Al Grey (1925–2000)
Slide Hampton (1932)
Bill Harris (1916–1973)
Bob Havens (1930)
J. C. Higginbotham (1906–1973)
Pee Wee Hunt (1907–1979)
Jack Jenny (1910-1945)
J. J. Johnson (1924–2001)
Jimmy Knepper (1927–2003)
Don Lusher (1923-2006)
George Masso (1926)
Lou McGarity (1917-1971)
Glenn Miller (1904–1944)
Miff Mole (1898–1961)
Benny Morton (1907-1985)
Turk Murphy (1915-1987)
Tricky Sam Nanton (1904–1946)
Louis Nelson (1902-1990)
Dick Nash (1928)
Kid Ory (1886–1973)
Jim Robinson (1892-1976)
Frank Rosolino (1926-1978)
Jack Teagarden (1905–1964)
Juan Tizol (valve trombone) (1900–1984)
Bill Watrous (1939)
Dicky Wells (1907–1985)
Roy Williams (1937)
Phil Wilson (1937)
Kai Winding (1922–1983)
Britt Woodman (1920-2000)
Trummy Young (1912-1984)

You might think that a few on the list are more 'cool' than 'hot', but rest assured that they can play 'hot' when the circumstances call for it.
Grah

(Transcribing jazz solos is fraught with difficulties because exact rhythmic notation is well-nigh impossible. So listen carefully because it's the only way to learn how to play jazz trombone so that we can return to the Golden Age.) 8-)
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Post by Doug Elliott » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:16 pm

That's quite a list.
You can add 2018 to Bill Watrous now.
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Post by Chiptingle » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:13 pm

Great list!

A few favs I haven’t seen mentioned yet:

Marshall Gilkes
Luis Bonilla
Doug Beavers
Bill Reichenbach
Robin Eubanks
Steve Turre
John Gove
Curtis Fowlkes
Bruce Fowler
Albert Mangelsdorf
Jiggs Wigham
Nils Landgren
Dennis Rollins
Michael Dease
Michael Davis
Frank Lacy
David Gibson
Francisco Torres

ENJOY THE JOURNEY!!!



Grah wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:20 pm
I guess it depends on the style/s of jazz you follow. However, for 'hot' jazz, in my opinion:

John Allred (1962)
Ray Anderson (1952)
David Baker (1931-2016)
Chris Barber (1930)
Bob Brookmeyer (valve trombone), (1929-2011)
Lawrence Brown (1907–1988)
George Brunies (1902–1974)
George Chisholm (1915–1997)
Jimmy Cleveland (1926-2008)
Cutty Cutshall (1911-1968)
Willie Dennis (1926-1965)
Vic Dickenson (1906–1984)
Tommy Dorsey (1905–1956)
Edwin "Daddy" Edwards (1891-1963)
Bob Envoldson (1920-2005)
Carl Fontana (1928–2003)
Curtis Fuller (1934)
Tyree Glenn (1912-1974)
Brad Gowans (1903-1954)
Bennie Green (1923–1977)
Urbie Green (1928)
Al Grey (1925–2000)
Slide Hampton (1932)
Bill Harris (1916–1973)
Bob Havens (1930)
J. C. Higginbotham (1906–1973)
Pee Wee Hunt (1907–1979)
Jack Jenny (1910-1945)
J. J. Johnson (1924–2001)
Jimmy Knepper (1927–2003)
Don Lusher (1923-2006)
George Masso (1926)
Lou McGarity (1917-1971)
Glenn Miller (1904–1944)
Miff Mole (1898–1961)
Benny Morton (1907-1985)
Turk Murphy (1915-1987)
Tricky Sam Nanton (1904–1946)
Louis Nelson (1902-1990)
Dick Nash (1928)
Kid Ory (1886–1973)
Jim Robinson (1892-1976)
Frank Rosolino (1926-1978)
Jack Teagarden (1905–1964)
Juan Tizol (valve trombone) (1900–1984)
Bill Watrous (1939)
Dicky Wells (1907–1985)
Roy Williams (1937)
Phil Wilson (1937)
Kai Winding (1922–1983)
Britt Woodman (1920-2000)
Trummy Young (1912-1984)

You might think that a few on the list are more 'cool' than 'hot', but rest assured that they can play 'hot' when the circumstances call for it.
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Post by Fidbone » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:05 am

No love shown yet for.......

Mark Nightingale
Elliot Mason
Nils Wogram
Andy Hunter

Taking Trombone Jazz to another level IMHO

Also check out young lions.......

Robinson Khoury
Alistair White
Klaus Heidenreich
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Post by mickael57280 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:38 am

I was in a similar situation excepted I was not lazy but don't know who discovered new trombonists names.

Best thing that help me is to go to YouTube tip the name of a jazz standard and add trombone like ''summertime trombone'' or ''bye bye blackbird trombone'' and then look into the right column, and so on, and so on, you got to discovered lots of new players
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Post by Basbasun » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:04 am

Oh there are so manny... Start with just one, I think Jack Teagarden is a good one, very musical and not too technical, Listen to lots of tunes, pick one and listen to that tune manny manny times. Start to copy. When you learn one solo you came a long way. Don´t be lazy.
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Post by Cmillar » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:33 pm

Among well-known, living trombone players who always surprise, amaze, and play fresh ideas without ever sounding like they're copying anybody else, I really dig: (in no particular order)

Ed Neumeister
Mark Nightingale
Bruce Fowler
Glenn Ferris
Birch Johnson (seldom heard, sadly)
John Mosca
Ian McDougall
Jim Pugh
Conrad Herwig
...and this is leaving out so, so many other great soloists...many unknown to the public from all over the place!
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Post by greenbean » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:55 pm

Cmillar wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:33 pm
...
...and this is leaving out so, so many other great soloists...many unknown to the public from all over the place!
Juan Pablo Torres is a good example. Sooooo good and so few people know about him!
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Post by lowcatjb » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:28 am

Give everyone a chance, just to hear as much as possible and know what they're about.

Then when it's time to decide who to study or emulate, time to pick a favorite, pick whoever resonates with you, not whoever seems to be the "right" or "popular" choice.

This is a highly subjective thing. For every great player I have heard and loved, I can name 5 people (but I won't :wink: ) who say that player is overrated or even "garbage." For every player I've ever heard who turned me off, I've met dozens of people who'd say that player was their absolute favorite. It actually says more about the listener than the player. It's more of an indication of what they're into musically (most of the time.)

Sometimes, though, there seem to be "right" and "wrong" answers. People will make you feel like you're supposed to like this player or that one. Don't let them. Try to be honest with yourself, know what you like and why, and stick to that.
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Post by BrassedOn » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:03 am

Here’s another way to revisit the idea of entering into jazz influences and improvising. What was your first trombone solo to transcribe?
My first transcription success full transcription and play along was with Curtis Fuller. It is important to have a earlier success with transcribing so you can build that as a habit and technique.


This original post started with straight ahead, bop, and post bop stars, and Frank Rossolino is my number one, But I got my start with earlier Jazz, here’s some first influencing listening:
Jack Teagarden, and great vocalist, too. You might know him from Armstrong Bamds and Basin Street Blues, but Great approach to ballads.


Of course, I too I was directed to JJ Johnson. Great influence on my sound Concept. My teacher said “JJ composed/wrote out solos, so you can too as a way to build your understanding and confidence.”Even today, I draw on the idea of a solo having a composed sensibility or structure, using motifs, even when I’m playing more free jazz or in the moment.

Bob Brookmeyer, especially with Gerry Mulligan ( bari sax) in Gerry’s piano-less quartet unless Bob played piano. Some Paris recording are very good. I also play valve bone so hearing this added to my understanding of Juan Tizol who was not a major improviser but had a few notable valve bone feature lines.


If we’re making a list of every player, we cad add others. You may not emulate each one, but all have an offering. Trombone listening is a smorgasbord
TRummy Young of the Armstrong and Lunceford bands, so a lot of Dixieland and classic swing. Vocals on hit Margie.. I took from him the little lip trill technique.

Big Chief Russell Moore, great story, along with Teagarden a noteworthy native North American Jazzer. If you don’t know how to get a plunger stop on trombone see the video and note the essential hole in the plunger.

Julien Priester, who I find kind of inconsistent, but hand some great groups and changed with the times into fusion styled

Melba Liston, trombone composer arranger. She also had a album with heavy hitters like Urbie and Slide.
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Post by StretchLongarm » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:34 pm

Frank Rehak. Folks forget his art.
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Post by dershem » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:16 pm

Don't limit yourself by only listening to trombonists. Andy martin used to transcribe and play Clifford Brown solos.
Listen to EVERYONE. Put in the effort.
Charlie Parker
Red Rodney
Sam Noto
Gerry Mulligan
Oscar Peterson
Art Tatum
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
etc.
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Post by Arrowhead » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:57 pm

Carl Fontana!
Amazing doodle tongue ability, and he could slip into playing traditional jazz without changing his style.
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Post by Doubler » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:47 pm

I enjoy listening to James Morrison.
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Post by quiethorn » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:37 am

talentedtrombone wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:10 pm
Hey Y'all,

My jazz teacher told me I should have an arsenal of favorite improv jazz musicians so that I could copy their style and actually be good, but I'm too lazy to find them on my own. If you can, can you provide me with some names of improv musicians so that I could develop my arsenal and prepare for a world war of social interaction?

Yes,
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Why do they have to be trombone players?

"...too lazy to find them on my own..."
Being honest here, it sounds like you might not be motivated to do this if you're too lazy to go to Youtube and search for "jazz trombone" and start watching videos. This might be something to discuss with your teacher.
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Post by jacobgarchik » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:27 pm

This is how I learned about the music.

https://folkways.si.edu/jazz-the-smiths ... mithsonian
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Post by bonafide » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:26 am

All of the above are true masters.

After you've checked all of those cats out, I would advise you to listen to other musicians. In fact, why not listen to whatever your ears tell you to check out? Maybe your brain is trying to push you in a certain direction. Maybe your ears will help you figure out your artistic voice, if you let them.

"Jazz trombone" isn't a biome, separated from the rest of jazz. It can be if we want it to be, but the other instruments aren't separated from each other by a specific repertoire. Piano players steal ideas from saxophone players, saxophone players steal from trumpet players, trombone players steal from trumpet players, etc. In classical/20th century European/American art music trombone, there are separate rules for each instrument. In jazz/modern music, there aren't. The same rules apply to every instrument.

You can learn just as much from Dexter Gordon and Sonny Rollins as you can from Frank Rosolino and Al Grey. If you love music, then you should have no problem listening to everything you can get your hands on. All of those ideas can be played on the trombone.
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Post by Savio » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:19 am

I like a lot of jazz players but these trombone players always make my attention when the play.

George Roberts (but he might not count as a real jazz musician?)
J.J. Johnson.
Bill Watrous.
Urbie Green.

Leif (thats just my signature, not a jazz player :biggrin: )
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Post by Midnightboner » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:37 am

My favorites to listen too are Urbie Green, Frank Rosolino, JJ Johnson, Bill Watrous, Carl Fontana, Slide Hampton, Jimmy Cleveland Curtis Fuller, Jiggs Whigham, Jack Teagarden,Trummy Young, Phil Wilson, Conrad Herwig, Andy Martin, Harry Watters, Scott Whitfield, John Allred, Wycliffe Gordon, Al Grey, Steve Turre, Ray Anderson, Ira Nepus,Jim Pugh,Marshall Gikes. In the UK George Chisholm, Roy Williams, Mark Nightingale, Alastair White, Robbie Harvey, Ian Bateman, Other countries James Morrison, Bart Van Lier, Eijiro Nakagowa, Raul de Souza, Albert Mangelsdorff,Nils Landgren, Massimo Pirone, For someone learning jazz improvisation I was told by the late Pete Strange to buy the Lp Vic Dickinson plays Bessie Smith and try to play along with that to learn the blues and develop your ear
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Post by bonafide » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:12 pm

I would also add:
Bennie Green
Garnett Brown
Craig Harris
Clifford Adams
Ku-umba Frank Lacy
Douglas Purviance (bass)
Jason Jackson
Stafford Hunter
Rick Parker
Nick Finzer
Robert Edwards
James Burton III
Jimmy Cleveland (I’m guessing someone already mentioned him)
Josh Roseman
Steve Swell
Art Baron
Issac Smith
Vincent Chandler
Vincent Gardner
Elliot Mason
Andre Hayward
Grachan Moncur III
Mitch Butler
Cornell McGhee
Ron Wilkins
and many more.
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Post by Chiptingle » Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:58 pm

Great list!
bonafide wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:12 pm
I would also add:
Bennie Green
Garnett Brown
Craig Harris
Clifford Adams
Ku-umba Frank Lacy
Douglas Purviance (bass)
Jason Jackson
Stafford Hunter
Rick Parker
Nick Finzer
Robert Edwards
James Burton III
Jimmy Cleveland (I’m guessing someone already mentioned him)
Josh Roseman
Steve Swell
Art Baron
Issac Smith
Vincent Chandler
Vincent Gardner
Elliot Mason
Andre Hayward
Grachan Moncur III
Mitch Butler
Cornell McGhee
Ron Wilkins
and many more.
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Post by Cordelld » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:01 pm

Mike Davis and Bill Reichenbach.
Check out “Bone Town”.
Still one of my favorite recordings.
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Post by PaulTdot » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:33 pm

A great collection here, in this thread, and it's great to see some of my less-known favourites, like Frank Rehak and Bennie Green. I'll mention a few more trombone players that have been skipped over but have something unusual or special to offer:

Max Seigel (for fluid bebop in the bass trombone register)
Samuel Blaser
Ron Westray
Ake Persson
Chris Crenshaw
Gunhild Carling
Al (Alastair) Kay
Rob McConnell (valve)
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Re: Your favorite/best improv trombone jazz musicians?

Post by jsizer » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:12 pm

Bennie Green, mentioned a few times is a great one to start with transcribing. I did not see Hal Crook on anyone's list, but he has a great command of the instrument and a different vocabulary than most. My all time favorite is Carl Fontana.
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Re: Your favorite/best improv trombone jazz musicians?

Post by PaulTdot » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:24 pm

Hal Crook! Definitely should have been on this list.
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Re: Your favorite/best improv trombone jazz musicians?

Post by tdiotdw » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:46 pm

Yeah like everyone said you GOTTA listen to JJ Johnson and Curtis Fuller.

Also the original guys like Kid Ory and Vic Dickenson

THEN Slide Hampton and on. Bill, Fontana, and Rosolino are AMAZING, not necessarily in my vein though.

Contemporary guys definitely Elliot Mason, Michael Dease, and COREY WILCOX!
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