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harrisonreed wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:26 am
I thought engraving has been mostly replaced by machine.

Isn't it like aspiring to become a master windmill operator?

There will always be a demand (albeit small) for a good craftsman. Whether there will be enough to make a living is another matter entirely.

Alan Raph used to play altissimo Bb (two octaves above "tuning Bb") on his bass trombone.

He used to denigrate this abiity calling it the equivalence to the World's Tallest Midget.

I can say that spending a lot of time way up in the stratosphere on a bass trombone can be EXTREMELY tiring.

Nowadays hand engraving has been supplanted by laser engraving. I believe the Shires engraving is done that way. When I get a chance (and I remember) I'll have to carefully examine the Shires bell on my tenor. There are hints that will show a digital engraving pattern rather than the full analog pat...

The small shank Remington was supplied with a number of upscale Conn trombones. i have one labeled "Connstellation". It is pretty similar to the B&S Taper Remington, although the backbore is a little different (necessary for the shank size). It is MUCH larger than a Conn 3 or Conn 2. More like a Bac...

There are two "flavors" of G Bass. One is quite small bore and the other would be called "Medium Bore" today. A small shank mouthpiece usually fits best. I have a Whaley-Royce G which is the larger of the two bores and mine worked best with a Wick 4AY mouthpiece. Generally the G bass used a relative...

Use a small tenor trombone straight (like the aluminum Harmon straight) as a Pixie for bass. I've never seen a need for one, though.

What scares me is that somebody will take the comments seriously.

They are comparing 3 different sizes (5G, 6.5AL, and 12C) with different manufacturers. The statements read like advertising hype, not real evaluation.

I wish we could post a warning about the site ON THE SITE.

You might want to try a King 606 slide also.

I wouldn't hesitate for a second to use a 1480 5B in any of the situations you mention. I might hesitate to play Big Band lead on it, but I think that's the only limitation. Note that some of the 5B's with smaller bore may take a small shank mouthpiece. You might want to check that. That can limit t...

How about 2nd? If he's using his regular horn, keep with your regular horn.

When you "size down" for the Requiem, 1st plays an alto, 2nd plays a small bore tenor (like a Conn 6H), and 3rd plays a large bore tenor with F (like a Conn 88H).

Older 5B's are dual bore 0.536/0.547. Newer 5B's are single bore 0.547. I know any one labeled 2105 is single bore. Don't know about older ones (1480/1485). The 5B is a good symphony horn and can work as a small bass with older Big Band charts. I had a 5B and a 4B at the same time and decided to sel...

The slide needs to be the same length no matter how wide it is... it is the bell section which needs to be shorter. ... Not quite true. If the slide is the same overall length but with a smaller crook, the tubes can be a little longer. Some of the old Conn slides used this to get a stronger 7th pos...

There is another problem with this chart: It's only valid for one model trombone. The alignment of the partials can vary from model to model depending on design. What the chart really shows is that unlike our quantized valve brethren, we have a great ability to adjust the horn to different situations.

In answer to your first question, most soprano trombones and slide trumpets use trumpet mouthpieces. Some alto trombones (particularly the Olds in F) take mouthpieces for Eb alto horns, which are only slightly larger than trumpet mouthpieces. Most of the common ones use small shank trombone mouthpie...

Depends on what you want to do with it. It probably has no slide lock and no bell lock. I'd hesitate to use it either on the march or in a big band with a lot of mute changes. It will have a "smaller" sound and may not be a good blend for a concert band or symphony orchestra with larger bore instrum...

We had a post on TromboneForum from Stewbones about converting his Conn 36H to be in D (with A attachment). I believe he had a short extension made to the main tuning slide. The attachment tuning slide is long enough already Stewbones claimed that an alto in D uses similar positions when reading alt...

The pace of change in digital photography equipment over the past two decades has been breathtaking. My first digital camera took 640x480 pictures. It was the equivalent of an old Box Brownie. I replaced it with a 7 Megapixel Kodak with a 4:1 zoom plus additional electronic zoom. It's probably prett...

This chart is from an article from the 1950s in The Instrumentalist magazine. It was based on just tuning adjustments needed for the different partials. Many of us use these adjustments (and more!) all the time.

p-Bone would be a plastic instrument pitched an octave above the regular(tenor) P-Bone. I've never seen one. There are a number of brass soprano trombones or slide trumpets around. Some of them can be pretty pricey, but there are some that are low cost and playable. Of the Chinese ones I'd look at W...

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Also, look at the TTF Archive board "History of the Trombone". We may have some posts from the older Forum that can give you hints.

Also check the Online Trombone Journal (www.trombone.org).

Older Method books might be called "School" or "Perceptor". The trombone was invented around 1450, so the oldest method probably predates the 19th Century. In fact, there is some information on trombones in Praetorius' book. Check with the Historic Brass Society -- they might have some useful things...

I had a friend who was a superb clarinettist and went pro. He was also pretty smart, but even though he had a lot of opportunities in New York City and played them all he didn't make as good a living as his father, who was a skilled tradesman. I was told I had some talent as a trombone player, but I...

I find I use my .547 in the usual situations and my .508 in the usual situations. It’s not really clear to me where my .525 fits in. Principal in orch, 3rd in BB, maybe. I find that when I'm not sure what kind of music I need to cover, a Medium Bore with F can be almost a chameleon. If there is a s...

I have the Wick adjustable cup for my bass. I have a King 7B and the H&B 199 fits funny -- makes it stuffy while the 171 doesn't fit at all (it really fits my symphonic tenor). I use the straight part as a straight mute in a pinch, but I also own some straights for it. I have the H&B fiber straight ...

I don't know that I can add to this discussion except that when I was in High School and starting to play more bass trombone my father got me a 1 1.2 G. It was a Mount Vernon because that's where Bach was at the time. Did it immediately improve my playing? No. Practice improved my playing. I still h...

Just for the record, the 3B+ is 2125. If you can keep it, the student Bach is better for pep band. That's usually hazardous duty. DJ Kennedy is usually on the Trombone Chat Facebook page and also the Marketplace on Facebook. If you want an F-attachment,only King2125s are available from King. Newer 3...

Has to be early 90s. I have one of the first ones and bought it in 1990. It was the demo horn at a NYBCFS convention.

Xylene, Toluene, and MEK are all pretty vicious solvents. All carcinogenic. All poisonous. I believe you can get the Dow grease to dissolve in a lower molecular weight silicone oil, which would be a lot safer. But it's not going to completely clean everything off. If you are going to go the organic ...

Does no one make a multi-section screw-together rod for this purpose? Surely a rifle-cleaning rod of the appropriate caliber (say 5-7mm-ish) would work? You'd just need to be sure it was multi-section, sturdy (stainles steel or good brass -- not aluminum) and long enough, or modifiable by shortenin...

My 682 has a conventional (although somewhat larger than Bach) rotor. You must be thinking of the 682B (Bousfield). One problem is its large size digs into some folks' necks.

The 682 and 620 (and perhaps even the 648) have two tuning slides on the attachment. One pulls back and is for tuning, and one pulls forward (toward the bell) and its best use is to drain moisture. The combined pull of the two slides is still not enough for E.

643 was Yamaha's copy of the Conn 88H. It's slightly larger bore. Not related to the 648/682/620 series at all. Your old Yammy student horn may have been from the period where Yamaha was having problems with the chrome plate on the inner slides. I've seen a few old M1's where there was some bubbling...

Half Note, the big problem is QC. Apparently there is nearly none among Jin Bao instruments. You can find one that isn't bad or one that is terrible. But nobody is going to let you sort through a pile of them to find the one that "works". This is the problem with most of the Chinese instruments you ...

Actually, the nut on the tenon jont DOES affect playability. Primarily in situations where you need to make a lot of mute changes.

I'd also hate to march a field show with one.

Also: not to be played Blastissimo.

1. Clean the inside of the outer slide. 2. Apply lube and work in. 3. Apply water if needed. If this doesn't do the trick you can try polishing the inside of the outer slide with Wright's Brass Polish (liquid). Follow up with a good cleaning with running water. Check the inner slide for damage to th...

If you are planning to keep this thing for a couple of decades, there could be a difference. But you can improve your chances a lot by simply making sure you empty the water out of the instrument before you put it away. I have 80 year old horns with brass outers and no red rot.

Advantage? No. Slight difference in sound? Yes. Will you notice? Probably not. If you like the appearance of the silver colored slide outer tubes you may want to pay the difference.

TimothyReild wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:15 pm
Do you think the posters of the "other site" have pretty much seen by now what type of person Danny Shelton really is?

Have you tried logging onto the "other site"?

Bach originally considered the 12EW as their "alto mouthpiece". It's considerably shallower than a 12C, but the same rim size.

My cheeks puff out sometimes. I was surprised to notice that. I thought it went against the canon. It works, though. I listened closely for air leakage and didn't hear any. As long as you're getting the sound you want with no fuzz or air leakage, I don't think it really matters how you set the horn...

I don't think Schilke offers gold plating as a service. You can buy gold plated Schilke mouthpieces, but they are usually plated by Anderson Plating.

That 5 legged stand is home-built. I know of only two: Baileyman's and an associate who plays in the same band. I've seen it plenty of times.

It's light. I wouldn't store a heavy bass trombone on it, but it's great for Baileyman's Bach 16 or Bach 12. And it's really stable.

The reason for the reticence of American sellers to ship overseas is the Customs and Duties that are imposed. Sometimes they can double or triple the sell price. Sometimes goods can be purloined (stolen, but legally) by the Customs agents and the shipment never gets to the buyer. If you are in EU, b...

Depends on what the model is and what prices look like in your area. Generally a stencil horn should be a lot less expensive than a "name brand" horn from the same manufacturer. Student horns are a lot less expensive than intermediate and top of the line horns. But remember that how it plays for you...

I've also simulated a bucket sound by putting a rag inside a plunger and holding it about 3 inches (75 mm) from the bell. Baileyman has seen me do this. Of course it means you won't be able to play trigger notes, but that's a tradeoff you can deal with.

Note that your site is concerned with mostly saxophones and the stencil list is not quite correct for trombones. I wouldn't doubt that it might be Martin since the overall shape looks a lot like my Martin Imperial or an Indiana Band Instrument (also by Martin) I have that needs repairs. For a starte...

They are indeed easier to put in and take out. They sound like a bucket, although they are slightly different from the StoneLine.

They are also VERY heavy. Also very expensive compared to most other bucket mutes.
The weight has impeded their general acceptance.

The 3B is an excellent general purpose trombone. The 4 digit number is not the serial. The serial is a 6 digit number and is probably on the bell section. Note that in the mid 1980s King hit 999999 and started again from 100000. The engraving style can also help date the instrument. The fact that it...

Do you have to out-honk the Bari? If so, you need a big horn (and lots of lung power). If there is no Bari, you might be able to get away with something smaller. Most 40s charts were written for 4 tenors. Look at pictures of the old Big Bands. Nobody is playing an F-attachment until Bart Varsalona a...

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