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baileyman wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:20 pm
Ordinarily ensconced in Boston, but recovering from winter in LA, I hope to be there.

And I'm just jealous

Thanks for the replies! ... @bguttman – I've been told before about using bass trombone air on tenor. It's a concept I'm trying to visualise so I can fix, but it's a tad bit foreign to me still… How long did it take for you to get that "lightbulb" moment?? ... I like the idea of long tones & drones...

If you play a small horn like a bass you will sound like a small bass.

I used a Bach 4C on my small bore horns until I found the Wick 4BS fit my face better. But a Doug Elliott LT 102/E/E2 works great. I had to adjust my concept to play the small bore like a small bore: don't overblow.

You are probably blowing it like your large bore. That can make it sharp. Smaller horns need more finesse and less air. Try blowing a gentler air stream. Long tones can help dial this in.

I had the exact same problem.

I have an old and crudely made Russian rotary valve trumpet. It's more of a wall hanger than a player. For no particularly good reason I decided to lube linkages and slides last night. These valves have a lot of pivots in the linkages. Probably 6 each. If I tapped out the valves like on the trombon...

There isn't much use for a 2nd valve in E except for two notes: C now in T5 and B in T6 (with both valves). What you know about F positions should translate just fine. With a D 2nd valve, low C is now where 4th position is on the Bb side, Db in a longish T2, B in a longish T4 and you may be able to ...

Most of the replacement corks I've seen require some kind of adhesive. I've never had any luck with film adhesives that are cmmonly available (think double faced tape). Generally you need a strong adhesive designed for cork or leather. Barge cement is one. I've also had some success with hot melt ad...

dxhall wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:41 am
Why the interest in this horn? Seems pretty ordinary to me.

Two things usually inspire interest:

1. Unusual instrument; generally a good one.
2. Ordinary horn at a good price.

Note: You can get the Blazhevich studies for free on IMSLP. It's called "School for Trombone". If you can find the Mantia "Trombone Virtuoso" there is a section with entire exercises in alto, tenor, and transposing treble clef (but no switching). Reginald Fink published books called "Introducing the...

There are some braces that are not adjustable - they have no sockets. I think my Bach 36 LT slide is this way, but I've also seen others. That would require some inventive means to shorten the brace.

The main advantage with an alto in high register is that the partials are farther apart. If you are having trouble landing on a particular partial in the upper range (often going too high or too low) the alto can help. If you can't play the note at all, the alto isn't going to help. There are times ...

The idea for the cone comes from Doug Yeo.

Sam Burtis had an SKB golf bag case that he'd put his gig bag into and pad the area between the gig bag and the outside of the golf case with clothing. For some reason the baggage gorillas tend to go easier on golf gear.

One problem with Olds trombones is that the mouthpiece receiver is an odd size. Most normal mouthpiece stick out too far, making the hon play a bit flat. As to size, a 6.5 AL is a great starting point. If he's not running into problems with size I'd stay there for now. In order to recommend a change...

Lots of choices here. You won't have an easy time finding an Olds anything -- they have been out of business for over 40 yeas. The good news is that there are a lot of different makers producing some really good instruments. To some extent you are only limited by your budget. I assume the Olds is st...

I notice that Mr. Schlitz has removed all his posts. I'm leaving them in place to show his unwillingness to stand by his opinions.

The last two were also pretty snarky so don't feel you are missing anything.

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Can you guys stop the sniping? I don't think any of it is helping the situation. If this continues I'm going to have to lock the thread.

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Mikebmiller wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:42 pm

Bach5G wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:29 pm
The old guys are getting cranky.
You kids get off my lawn! My power just went out so I have time to be cranky.

Power outages are great times to practice. Very few distractions. And you don't have to fight with the Gee-Tars.

What do you have for bass trombone? Just got an independent trigger double valve horn and need to figure this puppy out! Find a copy of Alan Raph's method. I think it's called Bb/F/D Bass Trombone or something of the sort. Also, the Paul Faulisse method is very good. When I got my 7B there weren't ...

Slur and land hard on the Db. Note that 2nd trombone doubles up an octave.

Good luck on the new job, Zac!

My one complaint with the Yamaha wrap (and this is more important on a bass trombone) is that you can't pull to E. On a single bass having capability for an E pull is important. Even pulling both slides on my Yamaha 682 as far as they go doesn't quite make E.

Just a curiosity question . . is it worth it? Do you really et that much value-added as opposed to using any one of many other outstanding makes/models out there? Yup. Actually I'd say it depends. For some they are worth it. For many of us they are not. I'm not limited by my current mouthpieces (El...

If you are willing to work from the Trumpet version, it's available free on IMSLP.

By default PayPal charges its fees to the seller. If you want the buyer to cover the fees you need to add them to the purchase price.

The King 7B has a Gb 2nd trigger. It came with the triggers "split" like most basses, as opposed to the Glantz Bar used on the TR-180. Most useful thing is that low C is exactly where the Bb horn 4th position is using both triggers. It can also serve as a way to calibrate your double trigger. I've o...

$5400 USD and it’s used? The old Alessi horn retails for $5150 brand new. 5150$ is excluding tax. No? The highest sales tax rate I know of in the US is 8.25% in New York City. There, the brand new list price would be $5575 including tax. Note that I know of very few places that sell an instrument a...

Okay, thanks, was just wondering. It sounds like they require you to work harder to notice no major difference in your sound :-D This would be true if you are a relatively new player. Very experienced players do notice the sound difference. Some like it and some don't. If you sound like a wounded m...

...It’s a great mouthpiece but I’d prefer some more weight. If you want a "cheap and dirty" solution, get some fender washers with 1/2" holes at the auto parts store. Put a pack of 6 of them on the shank where it comes out of the receiver. We used to have an appliance like this called a "Sound Slee...

I never tried any of the Megatones. Do they really do whatever it is they're supposed to do? What do you think they are supposed to do? I found that you have to work much harder to play one. It reduces overtones, thus giving a purer or duller sound (depending on your perspective). Needless to say, ...

There is a single trombone part in the Weber "Hunter's Chorus" (from Der Freischutz) that calls for bass trombone. It even goes to a low D. The part is labeled "trombone" but in the score it's "basstrombone". Many single trombone parts in concertos often double the 4th Horn part. When that's the cas...

Note that you can't receive messages until you have two posts. Make a second "dummy" post in the "I can't see my messages" topic and you will be all set.

I have an old Reunion Blues bag where the pouch got lost, and several of those awful $20.00 Ebay Specials that have no place for mouthpieces. What I did was find an old makeup pouch. You can find them cheap at Goodwill. I play at a Senior Center with a 2nd hand shop and they often show up there as w...

Burgerbob wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:23 pm
Shires also makes a euphonium now. https://www.dillonmusic.com/shires-q-se ... onium.html

I'm pretty sure Steve is going to make very nice, custom french horns on his own. And that's it.

He spent enough time at Osmun. He should know French Horns pretty well.

The 3B+ with F is no longer made. I tried a 1993 "Anniversary" model and was underwhelmed. I really wanted to like it -- I've been a King fan for years.

This is a pretty old video, but I didn't see it referred to anywhere here. It's not a podcast, just some really impressive playing. And not an alto in sight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Yv4pnO7qc

We played the "Mississippi Suite" in my orchestra and there is a VERY fast mute change. Too fast for my 2nd trombone player. He mounted his straight mute on a music stand base and simply played into it when necessary. You could easily do this with a wine bottle and that would make a literal bottle m...

I don't think Trent Hamilton is strictly for the younger crowd. I watch his videos as well and I'm certainly not young. He does serve a purpose, and it's not pedagogy. He evaluates instruments. He demonstrates some odd or unusual instruments. Where else are you going to see a trombone quartet of 3 p...

"Bottle" probably refers to the metal Harmon straight mute (which looks a little like a bottle).

Megaphone generally refers to a mute like the H&B "Cleartone" which was intended to replace the discontinued Solotone.

Actually, I consider the F valve to be 6 to 11 and the combination to be 9 to 14, just because the length of the trombone with the F attachment is the same length as 6th position, and the length of the combination of two valves is similar to F valve 9th position (Gb tuning for the second valve). But...

norbie2018 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:49 am

tbonesullivan wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:42 am
Previous Yamaha offerings would usually come with the standard 3 leadpipes like most horns that feature them.
Which trombones?

I think he's referring to the 68x and 64x medium and large bore horns.

hyperbolica wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:26 pm
I'm curious about when the 3B changed from Concert to Legend?

Concert disappeared in the early 1980s. At that time they were simply labeled 2103.

I think Legend came about somewhere around 2005.

Double Rotors have been around for quite a long time. First we have Dependent versus Independent. A dependent rotor is in the tubing from the main F rotor. So it only is in play when you press the F rotor. Independent rotors are just that: you can use either one. There are advocates for both. Depend...

Different sound concept. A Bass should not sound like a tenor or a tenor like a bass. Not only that, but the Bass needs to have different sounds depending on where it's playing. Proper sound for a Symphony will be out of place in the Jazz Band. And if you are playing in a Brass Band they often want ...

I use a Manhasset stand but my tablet is too heavy so I put a hose clamp on the shiny part just above where is goes into the outer part. I've also used a mute holder to do the same thing.

I can sympathize with you. I'm in a similar situation. First, are you in any danger of losing a chair in any of the ensembles? If so you need to do more technical stuff. I like doing a short warmup, Remington (do a few exercises; don't go nuts -- and mix them up). Then some technical stuff that work...

bigbandbone wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:47 am
Is it possible to 3D print a mouthpiece? Might be interesting!

Absolutely is. Trent Hamilton did a video of some 3D printed mouthpieces. Don't have the exact URL, but you might be able to search for it.

Lots of questions. First, you won't make much difference to your embouchure switching off between the two mouthpieces. They are really close in size. You probably like the 6.5 AL better because it is a bit deeper. This tends to give a more "classical" sound. If you prefer the 6.5 AL, stay with it. Y...

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a Venturi? In Engineering parlance, a Venturi is a constriction in a pipe, usually tapered on both sides. They are in jet engines to try to increase the thrust of the expanding vapors. In a leadpipe, the leadpipe often constricts a bit more after the mouthpi...

A relatively cheap way to improve a standard Bach rotor is to have the ports opened up. Osmun Brass in Massachusetts used to charge around $100 to do this (maybe more now). If it's already been done, you won't get much improvement for less than $1000.

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