TromboneChat

baileyman wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:20 am
Suitable pouches of similar size show up all the time in thrift stores. Check near purses.

I can vouch for this. He's found me a few.

I liked Harrison's book, but I think he's withdrawn it. There's also Mike Lake's "Alto Trombone Savvy". Or you can work out your own. Try playing Rubank up a 5th. Or work out scales and arpeggios. I also learned to play bass clef parts on the alto. I reinforced this by taking the alto to my Communit...

paulyg wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:08 pm
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Has anyone perceived a noticeable change?

No, but I'm not terribly discerning.

It depends on the alto. Most altos, in my experience, don't work as well with a stock tenor shank as with a shank designed specifically for alto like the Elliot 'Alto' series (or Alto S for the Conns). Do you know if the Bach 39 is among those that would require the adjusted shank? I currently use ...

The original Duo Gravis came with the second valve giving a flat E (first valve gives F, 2nd valve only works in conjunction with the first). This was enough extension to get low B in a long 7th position. Later a replacement slide was made to put the second valve in D, which has become the de facto ...

I agree that a smallish bass trombone mouthpiece is a good one for a Duo Gravis (I play a King 7B, which is the Independent version). Here are a couple of sizes: Bach 2G, 1 1/2 G Schilke 58, Yamaha 58 Marcinkiewicz 3 (I use one when I need a smallish bass mouthpiece on my King 7B) Wick 2NAL, 1AL Fax...

I have a Yamaha 57 mouthpiece and it really is too small for bass. It also didn't work with my Yamaha 682 trombone (which it was supplied with). I think you are right that the Denis Wick 2 is a tuba mouthpiece. There is also a 1AL, 0AL, and 00AL (each progressively larger). You might want to browse ...

I'm sure there is a change to the metal based on a treatment of any sort (as long as the metal endures some kind of challenge: heat, metalworking, vibration, etc.). What we don't really know, and what the study in question failed to prove, is that the change that occurs during cryo treatment has any...

It's Morse (like in Samuel F.B.). You can force Morse taper shanks into the B&S taper leadpipe, but you may find some of the partials don't line up nicely (requires adjustment of the slide position for certain notes). Then again, you may not even notice that if you aren't really sensitive. And yes, ...

bigbandbone wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:41 am
Would one of the Remington mouthpieces that came with an 88H be a good place to star, or would that be too small?

Too small. It's more like a 5G. If you are near me in New Hampshire I have one you could try for free.

With the umlaut over the U, it should be pronounced : "doof" Might be correct but I always the joke was for Duff cause lets face it, there's a lot of Duff beer out there :biggrin: Thankfully, there also plenty of great ones too :good: Agreed, but Moe's serves beer in America, and we don't use the s...

With the umlaut over the U, it should be pronounced : "doof"

So, an inconclusive, sorta botched "experiment" report from 2003 where the researchers admit that player variability negated any meaningful value in the experiment? What am I missing here? Why internet, why? What we can say is that the effect of the cryo treatment was either very small or zero. It'...

You make a widget and they average a 5 on the scale. Whatever scale, whatever widget. You take a subset and you will be fairly certain that they average a 5. Having done this for years, you can set a probability around that (and it should be really high if you know what you are doing). Ah, now that...

There are Axial and Hagmann conversion kits available (valve plus tubing) and it will cost circa $1200 for a full installation.

It's possible to plate up the rotor, but ti still will cost a couple of hundred dollars (but the low hundreds).

Blast has a connection issue. He' temporarily going by the name Fossil. Still the same guy.

Try to find a Conn3B. It has the right moutpiece shank and is designed for that horn.

Good luck with it.

Matt could change the password of the Blast account (I can't, sorry). Send him an e-mail.

I think that may be from the patent application.

Note that at one time the change valve on the French Horn was a piston, so exotic valves have been used for that at other times as well.

Are you playing the valve notes properly? The positions on the F side of the horn are different (longer, and only six to the slide). If you are playing the notes with incorrect slide positions and trying to "lip them in" you can get that ugly tone. Even with a Thayer or Hagmann valve.

Never seen one. Given the size of a Thayer it would be a real challenge to fit one (actually 3 or 4) into a French Horn wrap.

The 6B was originally offered with flat E, then Eb and later a special slide for D. The 7B and 8B (essentially identical except for the bell -- and the leadpipe apparently) was available in Bb/F/Gb/D When I tested my 7B and an 8B at the same time the attachments were the same diameter tubing. I thin...

You can't find a 4B Silvertone. By the time that model was introduced it was Silver Sonic. King lost a trademark dispute with Sears in the early 1950s over the name Silvertone. Silver belled Kings were not common so finding one may be a challenge. Also you have to pay a premium for one -- generally ...

I'm surprised with all the hoopla of AR Resonance of the last few weeks nobody's voted for one. I own a few other mouthpieces that I don't play at all: Callet (bought it at a master class and decided it wasn't for me) Benterfa (wood is too delicate and I couldn't find a venue for it - it's more like...

Burgerbob wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:56 pm
One big reason is that small shank mouthpiece selection for that size horn is very limited.

Option(s) 2:

Doug Elliott or Terry Warburton (2 piece)

The issue is that the cryo process at best makes a very small difference. Probably not cost effective. A customer would be better off sorting through a pile of instruments to find THE one that is best rather than taking one and treating it.

I'm sure Maximilien can expand upon this, but the sackbut parts in Baroque music called for some significant slide dexterity. Even the bass player with his slide with a handle had to negotiate some extensive runs. Just because the parts don't call for it, there is no reason not to believe that sackb...

There is a big placebo effect here. If you did a study where the people knew they were playing modified instruments they might find them better whether they were or not. I hear too many people who claim the cryo process makes it work better. I'm sure if you want it to it will. I believe the study --...

... Also, how do the Kelly plastic MP's play compared with metal? The band is small and he wants to play loud and strong. Thanks A Kelly is not going to be as loud as a metal mouthpiece. Its main advantage is that it won't freeze to your mouth in cold weather and it survives rough service on the ma...

I have a couple of TIS trombones. I have a Conn, an Olds, and a Holton. The Holton Paul Whiteman is quite small. The original Olds was TIS. And the Conn Ballroom 38H, 40H, and 42H were all TIS. The Ballrooms had counterweights; absolutely necessary for a horn like this. The Olds did not except for a...

There should be two letters before the 6 digit serial number. The first 514833 would predate the 88H model. Also, Elkhart 88H trombones were all marked Elkhart. Conn USA started in Abilene and continued after.

You need a screw extractor of the proper size. You won't find it at Home Depot or Lowe's, though. Maybe through a specialty shop like Votaw Tool.

It might be possible to drill a tiny hole in the screw and wedge something in the hole to drive the screw out, but that's not easy.

Good luck.

Can he say exactly why the 7C or 12C is uncomfortable? There are other mouthpieces with slightly (or majorly) different contours. Some others like the 7C: Wick 7CS or 6BS (he may love the rim or hate it -- seems there is no middle ground) Schilke 50 Yamaha 48 Also look at Kelly plastic mouthpieces -...

It's always harder to prove a negative. The basis of statistical analysis is that a true effect disproves the null hypothesis (that the treatment made no difference). What we can say from this study is that the benefit of Cryo is not proven. There might be an effect, but this study couldn't find it.

The problem with studies like this is that there is no quantitative result to analyze. We could easily look at the effect of cryo treatment, annealing, or just aging, on something like bass hardness. But when you are looking at a qualitative aspect like "playablity" it becomes very hard.

Close. I've found the Benge, King, and CKB mouthpieces to be slightly larger than their Bach namesakes.

Neat. I hope they keep looking at various aspects of brass instrument manufacture and use.
nobody else seems to be doing this scientifically.

Some epoxies are more inert than others. Novalic Epoxies are good film formers and would be nearly impervious. Some of the other epoxies I've worked with were more porous. Also, if the epoxy coating is not deaerated you can get tiny bubbles in the coating that may allow corrosive fumes to work their...

Low Pitch was just a shade flat. Probably around A=435 rather than 440. I can get better in tune using my High Pitch bell with the Low Pitch slide (and I pull the tuning slide out a bit). The slide action is so bad on it that I don't like to play it much, though.

CalgaryTbone wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:22 am
Tacet.

Actually, I play with no vibrato and no attacks or dynamics.

Imagine a world where brands were independent private companies that cared about research and development, not just money. It's hard to find in America. R and D is an expensive proposition. It's like trying to find a prince by kissing frogs. You gotta kiss a lot of frogs. Similarly, when doing R an...

Find the site www.hnwhite.com. They have King literature from the H.N. White era of Kings. The double brace (straight and C-shaped) is the 1910 Patent. I have two horns with that slide brace (High Pitch and Low Pitch) but they predate the curved bell brace. I believe one of mine (the Low Pitch) date...

That's really tough to answer as somebody who plays a King 7B and used to have a 4B and a 5B. The Conn 88H was pushed hard by Emory Remington at Eastman and for a while was the standard trombone for orchestral use. When Conn moved to Abilene and the quality began to suffer there was a move to Bach a...

It's designed for the older Conn shanks with a different taper from normal mouthpieces (often referred to as "Remington" because of the mouthpiece supplied with the 88H). These shanks don't fit well in standard taper receivers. The 3B seems to be a little larger than the Bach 1 1/2 G (a standard bas...

Tom, the question was "which was the first". The Benge 290 came much later -- after I bought my 7B.

I agree with your assessment. Benge trombones were excellent. It's a shame they didn't sell better.

Artist Symphony is used post-Abilene. There should be a model number somewhere near the serial. Also, there should be some letters before the numbers in the serial.

Most likely it's 21st Century. And yes, it's an 88H.

John, your links don't work.

Is this an older Bach 50B? If so, the ports in the rotor may be the older smaller size. Many have found that Bach 42's and 50's improve when the rotor ports are bored out.

It still happens for me, but I think the problem is at my end. My ISP seems to use "IP Hopping" -- maybe as a security measure. But if I go away from one computer for a while and come back in the IP seems to have changed which forces the new log in.

The 6B was the first dual valve bass made by King.

The Symphony (dual 0.536/0.547) was considered a single valve bass, but by today's standards is way too small.

The 7B and 8B were introduced in the mid 1970s as independent dual valve basses (the difference being bell diameter).

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