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At one time Quinn the Eskimo had an alto trombone gig bag on Ebay for $70. I suspect it was a one-off. Meanwhile I have mine in one of those awful $20 bags that have no protection whatsoever. Not good for Matt because the shoulder straps are awful as well. I improved the protection by putting some c...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I interpreted the original post, the OP wants to use a single valve bass for all his playing. I know of a few people using extremely large bore setups as that is what makes the sound they are after. And you can make a single valve bass do almost all the playing y...

I experienced the same thing with my other 1970s-era 2B. Now I have one from 1945 and it's not as bad. The difference is that, starting sometime in the late 40s or early 50s, the King company began manufacturing those horns in Elkhart, Indiana, instead of Cleveland, Ohio, and the Elkhart horns were...

Posaunus wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:04 am
Or should we say "similar" or "near-equivalent" ?

Actually, we have to say that. Each blank is different, and even nominally identical pieces are different.

You could add many brands with similar rim diameters (1 inch or 25.4 mm).

There is little practical difference between the various small bores. There are inflections and you may find that the smaller the bore the easier the high range is (and the stuffier the low range is). But you can play basically anything on any horn from 0.485" (Conn 4H) to 0.509" (Bach 16M). Especia...

6 1/2 AL or Schilke 50.

Note to bassbonebabe: you need to have two approved posts to see your replies. You had only one. So your efforts to repost 8 times didn't show. You now have two posts and will see all posts you make (as well as being able to message Forum members).

Can we PLEASE get back to talking about the Brass Lab?

I don't care if Gittleson is reporting all his income from repairs or not.

Easy, guys...

(please tone it down)

In the 30 years I know them, Osmun Brass has moved further and further out of Boston. They are now in Acton, nearly an hour out of town. But they are still the go-to guys for a lot of BSO brass musicians.

Too bad one of the Sam Ash stores couldn't take Chuck on as their repair tech.

... Also wonder if the plating industry has a say--it is a nasty environment? The chemistries used for plating are quite hazardous. Silver is usually plated from a cyanide cmplex. Chrome is plated from a hexavalent salt. Both require extremely expensive treatment of effluent. That's not to say lacq...

Other thing to look at is the difference in mouthpiece size. What size did you use on the 606? What size do you have with the new horn? Might be worthwhile to see what happens if you use your old mouthpiece with an adapter at first.

My first question when I hear about anybody going very large is "how in tune is your upper register (above the bass staff)?" If you find the notes above the bass staff flat, the mouthpiece is too large for your current state of embouchure. I found the extreme sized bass mouthpieces too big. I starte...

I don't think the folks in North Carolina are feeling this way...

This is probably a good idea. Richard Byrd set up Gmail accounts for all of us on TromboneForum and I posted my account on the Forum. My account is still active: BGuttman@tromboneforum.org, although I don't check it that often since TTF is "gone". Even if you send me an e-mail there, I can't do the ...

Big issue on some of these older Yammies is the plating on the inner slide. If the chrome has any bubbles on it or holes in it you have a big problem. Fortunately, a new (used) slide is pretty cheap and the 354 slide fits fine. I wouldn't trade a good King 3B or Bach 12 for one of these, but they ar...

The receiver on a 36 is smaller than the tenon of a 42. You can shim up a 36 slide to sorta work in a 42 bell but you can't do the reverse.

Sounds like the Super Deluxe from the late 1950s or early 1960s. Does it have the Tone Ring? Is there a reinforcement on the tuning slide bow? Is the silver matte with shiny plating on the Tone Ring and braces? These came with a "wedgie" case that had a lot of internal room. I was able to put a few ...

I found that leaving my trombone on a Hamilton stand all the time left a ring inside the bell from moisture on the dome. This can be easily prevented by using a "bone sock" or towel on the dome of the stand. Or using a stand that has some kind of pattern that lets the moisture evaporate. If your ins...

If you can find it, there are the Tommy Pederson "Easy" duets. I had a book of easy jazz duets (can't remember the title, but the subtitle was "no slide effects") that was easy jazzy duets. Sold it to a student, so I don't have more information. For non-jazzy, look at the Rubank Easy Duets by Voxman...

The best stick slide grease I have found is Selmer cork grease - comes in a white plastic bottle with red letters. Meant for clarinet cork, is super sticky, and works perfect on loose tuning slides. Cork greases in general work very well for this purpose. Often the big problem is putting on a thick...

I'm normally a 4G/4BS/4C player, which should make me a Warburton 8 candidate. But I got a bunch of parts and discovered the 7D works great for me. I've been using a 3/3B on my Euphonium for about 10 years now. It was so-so as a bass trombone mouthpiece but came alive in my Conn 19I. They are really...

Please note: I was talking about groups that would listen with their eyes and not their ears. A single valve bass is a great instrument. This may be moot since walldaja apparently is playing a large bore tenor. Lots of folks use this as their only instrument. More now since kids are being moved to t...

If you have actually cut your lip, applying vitamin E will help your recovery. Get a bottle of the gel caps and a pin. Pierce one of the gel caps and squeeze out the oil onto the injury. I would suggest minimizing your "chop pushing" exercises for a while to let things heal up. Good luck with the ju...

It really depends on what you want to accomplish. In a Community Band or Community Orchestra nobody's going to really care as long as you can play the notes in time and in tune. If you use a bass trombone sized mouthpiece you may find you will have problems covering a 1st Trombone part. The single v...

Is there a way to know how old my bell is? I've owned the horn for 16 years and never knew that the bell and slide were mismatched. I never even thought about it. I also can't seem to find a serial number on my bell. You all are flipping my world upside down right now!!! The only thing you can do i...

Some older King instruments had full serial numbers in several places. I played a 1947 Silvertone (the name was changed to Silver Sonic in the 1950s) that had the serial on the slide tenon, the outer slide brace ferrule, and the bell receiver. King used a 4 digit number starting with 13xx for Clevel...

Unless the Guard gives them real junk, it probably behooves the guys to use the Government supplied instruments. The Government will make sure they are in good repair and will replace if needed when on hazardous service (like parades).

I'm showing a Mearldanner in the member list. Have him try to log in. It's possible that the confirmation letter went to his SPAM folder or just got lost in the mail.

The issue is really using the bell rim as an absolute indicator of 3rd position. Many of us are just a bit before or just a bit after the bell and it's no crime using the bell to quickly find this location.

... What do you guys use for old and leaky valves?? 10W-30? :evil: You can find some heavier spindle oils that might work OK for the rotor. Problem with a piston valve is that heavier oils have higher viscosity and will get sluggish. You need a non-Newtonian material with a high standing viscosity ...

norbie2018 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:42 pm
So how are they different without the letter?

An unlettered cup is also the B cup and is deeper than the more common C cup.

MattK was supposed to make the remaining smilies, but I think he got diverted. I thought somebody was going to create the remaining notes from 1 ledger line down to 1 ledger line up, but I don't think they did so. I have no idea what is needed so I can't help,

Bach describes the cup depths with numbers. A is the deepest, B (or sometimes no letter) is a little shallower, then C, D, and E are shallower still. This nomenclature was used for the small shank mouthpieces. I don't know of a single A mouthpiece; 6 1/2 AL was actually a custom mouthpiece and not a...

I enjoyed playing the London Symphony. First time I was on bass, and 2nd time I was on 1st. Nice parts for all trombones.

Congratualations. Hope you have better success than KingFan, who burned out.

I don't think many Symphonies require a particular make of instrument. That said, given the differences in sound some brands won't win auditions. At one time the Cleveland Orchestra required the trombones to use King / Benge instruments. The players would get specially made horns directly from King....

You will also need to learn to negotiate the handle. Your arms are not long enough to reach 6th position let alone 7th on a G bass. Take it from me -- I already have one. I don't know if you really want to play the G Bass in public. Most of them were friction fit. Watch the parade scene in the begin...

If you like your 3B, you probably would like a King 4B. It's similar, only bigger. Generally a lighter horn; not as ponderous as a Bach 42. The original rotor is open enough that you don't need a fancy valve to get good response from the trigger side. I also have spent a lot of time on a Yamaha 682G...

I agree. #9 is bo-oo-gus.

Some of the other stuff is a little dicey.

But there is no magic dust that wil make you have a range like Tommy Dorsey. It takes hard work and is gained a note at a time.

Good value for the money. Would I swap a Shires or Rath for one? Probably not. But the Shires or Rath will cost an awful lot more.

I'd certainly recommend the Marching Trombone since there is no such thing as a boutique quality instrument.

Don't get me wrong. I think the NeoTech is a great appliance and helps take the strain off some sensitive parts of your left arm. But you can't just slip it off for a mute change.

I play in a big band where we do an inordinate amount of mute/plunger changes. I am quite left handed and change mutes with my left hand. I cannot imagine trying to change mutes with my right hand! Will the Neotech allow me to disengage and reconnect quickly? I doubt it. You will have a strap aroun...

Note: Red Rot is a specific condition where the brass loses zinc. It's almost never seen on bell rims. Also takes decades to manifest itself. What I think you have is "acid bleed". You probably see black under the lacquer near a solder joint. This is caused by not cleaning the flux well after solder...

I don't think Doug is pushing this as a "historically informed" instrument. It is an instrument that will allow someone with some degenerative joint conditions to play effectively for a longer time and probably prevent someone from developing a joint condition. I have never had the opportunity of tr...

I use one that is no longer made: Neill Saunders 17dcd. Rather large cup (but not the biggest) and wide flat rim.

Bach's biggest is 1C. Don't know the biggest for Schilke/Yamaha.

There is a whole range of UV lights. Note that each of those lights actually emit a band of light with the strongest light at that frequency. Most of the UV cured materials I used were cured around 365 nm. This is close to the blue end of the visible spectrum and you can see some of it.

Rochut's mouthpiece looks like a lot of trombone mouthpieces of the period. I have an Innes and one that is not marked and they are of similar sizes. Rochut probably played a much more conical bore than most other mouthpieces. That was the French style of the period. I wish I could hear what he soun...

Basically you could do the same thing by cutting a slot in the receiver and putting a hose clamp over it. I had a similar attachment system on my first tromobone, a Getzen Deluxe (which it wasn't). The thumbscrew adjustment on that horn was also the tuning slide. Ugh. Personally, unless you need to ...

There have been a number of players who doubled trumpet and trombone. Don't know of any who doubled cornet and trombone. I would guess it's possible. You will have to work on each instrument to get comfortable. Also, I found a large, wide rimmed mouthpiece worked best for me. Good luck and have fun.

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