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The 30H Burkle has a 7" bell, but don't let that deter you. The bell throat and taper is as large as an 88H bell. It's a HUGE "little" horn.

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Courtois AC130 Alto: 162
Conn 4H LW (1949): 187
Conn 4H (1955): 236
Conn 30H (1933): 252
Olds Super (1937): 238
Olds Standard (1946): 222
Olds Super (1947): 208
Olds Recording (1950, red brass): 249
Old Recording (1955, nickel silver): 255
Olds P-22 GR Model (1977): 266

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Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:38 pm
"Ralph has a custom Schilke mouthpiece, essentially a 51 rim on a 50 cup in a special lightweight blank. It's small shank..."

^^Gabe Langfur on page 16 of the old Shires Q&A thread.

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oops.

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FWIW, Ralph uses a small shank mouthpiece on his signature Shires horn, as he did on the 88HTO with the SL2547 slide. A picture is worth a 1,000 words...

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Ben Griffin, circa 2016... [Shires Q&A, what would you like to know? Post by ttf_griffinben » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:49 am Quote from: tombone21 on Sep 15, 2016, 10:03AMWhat Shires components are most similar to the Edwards Alessi horn? In the interest of "what-ifs", because they are fun, the following ...

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Jim Nova has the best take on this...

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BTW, the Olds 1* seems to have the same measurements as mentioned in the 1939 Catalog for the Olds 1:

1" diameter cup, a "deep" cup (which turns out to be like an Elliot C+ cup), and a .250" bore (E drill). The backbore is like an Elliott #2 backbore.

But the taper on that shank, though...*shrug*

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I have a theory about the Olds 1* mouthpiece: it is made for competitor's horns with regular small shank receivers. That's my hypothesis, anyway, as I have an Olds 1* and it fits my Olds tenors like a Bach, or other normal Morse taper mouthpieces. That is to say, it doesn't go in far enough. It fits...

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This might be helpful, as Ben Griffin explains the effect different materials has on handslides,

"A yellow handslide crook gives you a little more warmth. It rounds out the articulations more than the nickel silver does..."

https://youtu.be/iMUdz0OHe70

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Yes, it's a U.S. Territory, currency is the Dollar, etc.

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There's one up on FB...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1637970 ... 0219279956

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Compare it to the cork barrels? Behold! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3WlnudTRrg3SAX50RnBZGPAsS5TzOSnCkyipQwmRO10JYvoWrWTPAa2eRC38k46jPbzCpBPvhK7q4FEfwJBnTdGSo7yh26XmYbItqkM9ROIEROs01YiwwkKpb2rZxzYHthR9g1uLycFw-R0nO2ZSuIDFxv80WEZCdWC6uU1oIt-PEqoy1dOSTN4DflJO4NLAyqREyuES2snbzXaqA8gjYgzpbnPJQM7uP8...

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What castrubone says. Pick up the one from Dillons, and have it in a few days. It could be months if you order through ProWinds, as they have none in stock.

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Well, the SL2547 isn't a "standard slide," but an optional one. As reported, the slide crook on my SL2547 is not nickel silver, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HSr7o_cRkWwxZ4oi26ccbko4XHUm3Ycut3_o45-5YbBRkYDu5TE4iRD2evaEkx6kZlKgSjzpqZn-6CZRA6MAb0k1L3AQRLb4V9QQmt6q5-yqTkGO-Jz6Bt0X7De-ap8naCWzr0kBQo...

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I can vouch for what hyperbolica reports above. The SL2547 handslide works very well with an Elkhart '68 bell section. The newer slide is probably only an 1/8th of an inch shorter than the original slide. The materials the new slide is made of are different than the original slide, for sure. Rose tu...

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This might be a helpful graphic...

https://images.app.goo.gl/68WBnDmTnax1JqRe9

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I'm with Jim Scott on this one. Folks who are "in the know" will tell you that Ralph Sauer uses a custom Schilke mouthpiece that has the rim of the Schilke 51, with the cup of a Schilke 50.

I'm not "in the know," but that seems close enough to a regularly available Schilke 51C4 to me.

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I reckon he's looking for one with "Choice Of The Artists" on it.

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Is the bell a TII-5GVNY (Vintage New York)? Or the TII-5GM?

Regardless, looks like a great horn at a good price.

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A listing I stumbled across over on eBay (not mine!), if anyone is interested. Looks like a thrift store doesn't know what they have...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254203243168?ul_noapp=true

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Not a pre-66H, or at least it doesn't look like this one in the BrassArk Museum.

http://www.brassark.com/museum/conn66hold.html

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I was chatting with you over on FB. Looks like you have what later became known as the 14H, with a rotary valve (instead of the other option, which was a piston valve). Or maybe this is what was later known as the 66H? Either way, a neat, in great shape, rare, and beautiful, horn.

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SOLD.

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Aye. Done. Folks deserve their strikes.

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This is back on the market, as the eBay bidder who won the auction never paid. Sixty-ish year old mouthpiece in practically new shape.

Yours for $50, with free shipping.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/E9FtbSUP2iNXvSuF8

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SOLD!

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:trebleclef: Sittin' on the dock o' the eBay, hoping some band parents stumble our way. :space4: Bidding starts at $775, or just Buy It Now for $1250. She's been a great horn for my son, and will be a great one for someone else too. Here's the link. There's a Drop Box link the listing with a ton of ...

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Both mouthpieces SOLD.

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Large shank: SOLD

Small shank: https://www.ebay.com/itm/132949968949

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Prices dropped, and free shipping.

Large shank: https://www.ebay.com/itm/132950095419

Small shank: https://www.ebay.com/itm/132949968949

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The 5G is #1?! Buy mine! It's waaay cheaper than Amazon.

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Roger that!

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I have two Bach 5G mouthpieces up for sale. One is a practically brand new small shank version (opted to go with a small shank Shilke 51 for the Conn 88H with SL2547 slide, instead), and one large shank 5G as well. Both are listed at the Bay. Reasonable offers accepted. Check 'em out... Small shank ...

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PM sent!

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The short answer: location, location, location. The long answer:

http://www.warburton-usa.com/index.php/ ... ieces-mean

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Gotcha. Very interesting!

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Skeletonized? That's why it appears as a V-shaped mouthpiece? Grasshopper's next question: who does that kind of work to an existing mouthpiece, and why?

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Aye. Invest in a 1/2" box end wrench instead of living on the edge.

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Kinda, sorta, related comment: Back in the day, Ralph Sauer used the Schilke 51 when he played his Conn 8H with the LA Philharmonic. When he went to a .525/.547 dual bore slide, it's been said that he moved to the Shilke 50 instead. I'm not sure what he uses these days, but one thing is for sure: it...

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Good info on your taper, and it figures that there is some variances in the manufacturing process. Especially given the smaller numbers of horns built when Olds was in LA vs. Fullerton. I have an Olds Super with a 7 3/8" bell, for example, when the catalogs only offered bells in .50" increments. So ...

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Looks good, and priced to move. Good luck with the sale.

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At the risk of resurrecting a dead (?) thread, have any of the Olds aficionados ever found certain vintage Olds horns that actually seem like they fit Morse taper mouthpieces better than the standard Olds shank pieces? I ask because I recently acquired a '46 "The Olds" Standard, which came with an u...

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Those who have counseled waiting, or buying a quality used horn, are offering you wisdom, at a bargain price. Heed them, Grasshopper.

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Is this horn still on the market? Are there photographs posted somewhere? Thx

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