I'm pretty sure Nick Grinder recorded his album "Farallon" playing a Stratodyne. Maybe he'll chime in on this thread. Meanwhile, have a listen...
https://youtu.be/p5wbeUzDtMs
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- Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:30 pm
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Holton Stratodyne 67 - Request for Info
- Replies: 9
- Views: 887
- Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:33 pm
- Forum: Media
- Topic: Alpine Symphony extracts for trombone octet
- Replies: 4
- Views: 778
- Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:15 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Hammond Mouthpiece question
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2175
Re: Hammond Mouthpiece question
"I'd say it's a bit like a 51C4 with a slightly more open throat and less v-shaped cup." That's odd, as the 12M is totally a V-shaped, funnel-like cup, with no shoulders, heading straight into a smaller, .257" (F) throat, and then out through that big, open backbore. The small shank 51C4 is much clo...
- Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:22 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Hammond Mouthpiece question
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2175
Re: Hammond Mouthpiece question
The Hammonds have really open backbores. On the 12M, I'd call it a 6 shank if it was one of Doug Elliot's backbores. Also, a really cheap substitute for the 13M would be the Blessing 6 1/2 AL. They're really similar in the cup, throat, and backbore.
Good luck with it!
Good luck with it!
- Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:32 am
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Martin Committee Trombone
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1083
Re: Martin Committee Trombone
"He (Roy Lawler) even showed me his 1947 Martin Committee horn in excellent shape that he has modeled his horns after and really has something special here with his horns."
https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic. ... ee#p123563
https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic. ... ee#p123563
- Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:20 am
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Slide widths
- Replies: 33
- Views: 2241
Re: Slide widths
Scratching my head over that Olds Ambassador measurement, 'cause mine is the same as the Super, and Standard, though a little shorter than them. So, 64.5 (2.54").
Got another one for the list: King 3B - 67.8 (2.67").
Got another one for the list: King 3B - 67.8 (2.67").
- Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:20 am
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: King 2b Liberty
- Replies: 39
- Views: 3694
Re: King 2b Liberty
Nice pick, Nobbi! Conn 4Hs are superb.
- Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:06 am
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Alto trombone with gold/rose gold dual bore slide
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1608
Re: Alto trombone with gold/rose gold dual bore slide
The new Alessi Q alto from Shires has a .485/.495 slide with gold brass outers, with a yellow crook.
- Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:30 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 52E2 Mouthpiece (Trombone)
- Replies: 12
- Views: 2117
Re: Schilke 52E2 Mouthpiece (Trombone)
I liked the way you sound on it!
Yeah, if it was a funnel shape, the brightness wouldn't be as surprising, I suppose. Must be a tight backbore? Wizardry?
Yeah, if it was a funnel shape, the brightness wouldn't be as surprising, I suppose. Must be a tight backbore? Wizardry?

- Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:11 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 52E2 Mouthpiece (Trombone)
- Replies: 12
- Views: 2117
Re: Schilke 52E2 Mouthpiece (Trombone)
Does the Schilke have a funnel shaped (V-shaped) cup? Like the Remington pieces for the 88H? And is the rim really 1.00 - 1.02ish? I have a plain old 52, and that rim is in the 1.05 range (way bigger than published specs). UPDATE: I may have answered my own question re: cup shape. It kind of looks l...
- Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:50 pm
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: .525/.547 slide players : large or small shank leadpipe, and why?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 2658
Re: .525/.547 slide players : large or small shank leadpipe, and why?
Ralph Sauer plays with a small shank mouthpiece, and always has after he moved to using this slide. With the Conn slide, he used the "T" leadpipe. With the Shires slide, he uses the RS M leadpipe, which is the medium bore version of their Vintage Elkhart pipe. It's similar to the 2.5 Short pipe. He ...
- Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:08 pm
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: 1967 Olds Ambassador
- Replies: 4
- Views: 1370
Re: 1967 Olds Ambassador
I have a 1950 Ambassador, and I concur. It slots really well, has a centered high register (High E in 2nd position/ High Bb in third), and a really solid sound in the low range for such a small bore horn. They're really good. Mine is an early, LA one, without a reverse tuning slide, and without the ...
- Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:00 am
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 51 series question
- Replies: 9
- Views: 2378
Re: Schilke 51 series question
The Schilke 47 has the desired specs you've listed, but with the smaller rim Doug says you need. If you need a large shank version of that, Doug can whip that up for you.
- Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:47 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 46D
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3636
Re: Schilke 46D
The highlighted mouthpieces in the photographs below are ones that I have (or had) in my possession, and that I've measured. Maybe someone will find the information useful. :idk: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3dO_ppwn6uN7db1X1MFE0sopFJwdDuK0aIKQOhnQuHSq7Ww7xEnOrxHa61W1l6aDkeh0nwuGCRubs6N...
- Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:29 am
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 46D
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3636
Re: Schilke 46D
CharlieB, Please don't confuse me with someone who thinks published specs of Schilke mouthpieces (at least) are even remotely, er, accurate. :wink: What I said about the 45 is accurate, and it's more like a Bach 6 3/4 sized rim than any 12. Behold! Pics are worth 1,000s of words... https://lh3.googl...
- Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:05 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 46D
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3636
Re: Schilke 46D
I'd be interested to know what the rim/cup diameter is on it, because "slightly larger than the 46," which is "slightly larger than the 45" might actually mean something, seeings how the 45 I have measures 25.1-25.2mm (which is considerably larger than a 12C). If you haven't tried the 45, you might ...
- Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:20 am
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Sterling Silver Trombone Mouthpiece
- Replies: 11
- Views: 4563
Re: Sterling Silver Trombone Mouthpiece
Noah, what's the rim size on your Almont? 23.5mm-ish?
- Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:18 am
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Giardinelli Symphony T
- Replies: 13
- Views: 4165
Re: Giardinelli Symphony T
What size is the Gardinelli Wigham rim? 25mm?
- Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:03 am
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: All variants of 7-11 small shank trombone mouthpieces
- Replies: 18
- Views: 5986
Re: All variants of 7-11 small shank trombone mouthpieces
Like I mentioned, caveat emptor. I mean, even if the specs are directly from the maker, they're all over the place. Brian, the OP, listed the Hammond FA2 as in this category, for example. The Hammond website says the FA2 has a rim the size of a Bach 4, so like a 1.02" rim. That ain't no Bach 7-11 si...
- Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:32 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: All variants of 7-11 small shank trombone mouthpieces
- Replies: 18
- Views: 5986
Re: All variants of 7-11 small shank trombone mouthpieces
Not a bad place to sort through mouthpieces of various sizes. Now, are the measurements worth the paper they're printed on? YMMV.
http://www.dwerden.com/Mouthpieces/trom ... hank=Tenor
http://www.dwerden.com/Mouthpieces/trom ... hank=Tenor
- Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:32 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: new mouthpiece
- Replies: 7
- Views: 6376
Re: new mouthpiece
Like Redthunder stated, my M21 (like the one pictured above) measures as follows:
Rim ID: .984" (25mm)
Cup Depth: E, with a contour kind of like Doug Elliot's C+ cup
Throat: .228" - .230" *my #1 bit (.228") goes through the throat, but the A drill (.234") won't.*
Backbore: similar to an Elliot #2
Rim ID: .984" (25mm)
Cup Depth: E, with a contour kind of like Doug Elliot's C+ cup
Throat: .228" - .230" *my #1 bit (.228") goes through the throat, but the A drill (.234") won't.*
Backbore: similar to an Elliot #2
- Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:21 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: King 11m
- Replies: 1
- Views: 3083
- Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:02 am
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 51 or Bach4G
- Replies: 24
- Views: 7015
Re: Schilke 51 or Bach4G
The 52 is way big compared with the published spec of 25.78mm...Anyone know how a 52 plays compared to a 3G ? Yeah, I was pretty surprised about how large the rim was when I received it. Waaaay too big a rim for me. I suppose I could fill it up with water, and use it as a wading pool? :D Cup depth ...
- Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:51 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 51 or Bach4G
- Replies: 24
- Views: 7015
Re: Schilke 51 or Bach4G
Rim/ cupID measurements I've gotten on my brace of Shilkes. Note that in every case, they vary from the advertised specs (usually larger than published). 52: 26.8mm (105.5") *late edit* 51: 26.2mm (1.03") 51C4: 25.9mm (1.02") 50: 25.5mm (1.004") 47: 25.2mm (.992") 45: 25.2mm (.992") 44E4: 23.5mm (....
- Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:43 am
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 51 or Bach4G
- Replies: 24
- Views: 7015
Re: Schilke 51 or Bach4G
Posaunus, For the sake of consistency, I made marks on the tips of my calipers. From the bottom of the measuring points, to the top of the black lines is 3mm. When eyeballing the measurement, I look for the top of the black lines to be flush with the top of the rim. Otherwise, I could torture any nu...
- Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:37 am
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Schilke 51 or Bach4G
- Replies: 24
- Views: 7015
Re: Schilke 51 or Bach4G
Rim/ cupID measurements I've gotten on my brace of Shilkes. Note that in every case, they vary from the advertised specs (usually larger than published).
51: 26.2mm (1.03")
51C4: 25.9mm (1.02")
50: 25.5mm (1.004")
47: 25.2mm (.992")
45: 25.2mm (.992")
44E4: 23.5mm (.925")
42B: 24.1mm (.949")
51: 26.2mm (1.03")
51C4: 25.9mm (1.02")
50: 25.5mm (1.004")
47: 25.2mm (.992")
45: 25.2mm (.992")
44E4: 23.5mm (.925")
42B: 24.1mm (.949")
- Thu May 07, 2020 12:17 pm
- Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
- Topic: WTB: Counterweight for Olds Recording
- Replies: 5
- Views: 664
Re: WTB: Counterweight for Olds Recording
If you can come up with an Olds counterweight (the offset one they sold as an accessory), it will fit on the Recording. A longer screw would be nice, but it's not a necessity. The real challenge on the Recording is that the red brass inserts on the braces make it a really tight fit with an Olds coun...
- Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:28 pm
- Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
- Topic: WTB Vintage Conn counterweight
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1202
Re: WTB Vintage Conn counterweight
Well, this type also came with the 4H I have from 1929, and works great.
- Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:46 pm
- Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
- Topic: Marcinkiewicz 6E small shank
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1113
Re: Marcinkiewicz 6E small shank
Agreed. Also, their letter designations usually identify the drill size for the throat, vice the cup size.
- Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:01 am
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Slide width for small bore bones
- Replies: 47
- Views: 6061
Re: Slide width for small bore bones
Conn 30H slide width? It's about the same as an Olds Super slide.
Conn
30H: 2.54"
6H: 2.74"
Olds
Super: 2.52"
Standard: 2.53"
Recording: 2.80"
Conn
30H: 2.54"
6H: 2.74"
Olds
Super: 2.52"
Standard: 2.53"
Recording: 2.80"
- Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:47 pm
- Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
- Topic: Marcinkiewicz 6E small shank
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1113
Re: Marcinkiewicz 6E small shank
The 8H rim is larger than a Bach 6 1/2AL, but the 8H cup is shallower (like an Elliot D cup vs. the Bach's E cup), though the cup is certainly shaped like a 6 1/2AL cup.
The 6E rim is smaller than the 8H rim, still bigger than the Bach, but the cup is a wee bit shallower.
The 6E rim is smaller than the 8H rim, still bigger than the Bach, but the cup is a wee bit shallower.
- Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:13 pm
- Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
- Topic: FS: New Bach 6 1/2AL, Large Shank (SOLD)
- Replies: 2
- Views: 447
Re: FS: New Bach 6 1/2AL, Large Shank (SOLD)
Still wrapped in the plastic bag from the factory, though there is a little tarnish on one side near the end of the shank. I'm a small shank player, so I'm looking to let this go for $45.00 via Paypal (I don't recommend Friends & Family, so kindly add 3% for fees). Price includes shipping costs for...
- Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:18 am
- Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
- Topic: FS: New Bach 6 1/2AL, Large Shank (SOLD)
- Replies: 2
- Views: 447
- Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:47 pm
- Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
- Topic: FS: New Bach 6 1/2AL, Large Shank (SOLD)
- Replies: 2
- Views: 447
FS: New Bach 6 1/2AL, Large Shank (SOLD)
Still wrapped in the plastic bag from the factory, though there is a little tarnish on one side near the end of the shank. I'm a small shank player, so I'm looking to let this go for $45.00 via Paypal (I don't recommend Friends & Family, so kindly add 3% for fees). Price includes shipping costs for ...
- Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:50 pm
- Forum: Accessories
- Topic: Bullet Brace on SE Shires Tru-Bore Valve
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1236
Re: Bullet Brace on SE Shires Tru-Bore Valve
The Ax Handle fits the Shires TruBore valve with no problems. You'll need the .420" size kit.
- Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:49 pm
- Forum: Accessories
- Topic: George Curran thumb rest
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1767
Re: George Curran thumb rest
Thomann has a good pic of the Shires bass bone rest...

- Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:28 pm
- Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
- Topic: FS: 1941 & 1936 Conn 30h
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1025
Re: FS: 1941 & 1936 Conn 30h
The 30H Burkle has a 7" bell, but don't let that deter you. The bell throat and taper is as large as an 88H bell. It's a HUGE "little" horn.
- Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:25 pm
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Outer Slide weight posting
- Replies: 49
- Views: 12413
Re: Outer Slide weight posting
Courtois AC130 Alto: 162
Conn 4H LW (1949): 187
Conn 4H (1955): 236
Conn 30H (1933): 252
Olds Super (1937): 238
Olds Standard (1946): 222
Olds Super (1947): 208
Olds Recording (1950, red brass): 249
Old Recording (1955, nickel silver): 255
Olds P-22 GR Model (1977): 266
Conn 4H LW (1949): 187
Conn 4H (1955): 236
Conn 30H (1933): 252
Olds Super (1937): 238
Olds Standard (1946): 222
Olds Super (1947): 208
Olds Recording (1950, red brass): 249
Old Recording (1955, nickel silver): 255
Olds P-22 GR Model (1977): 266
- Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:39 pm
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Sauer screw bell
- Replies: 20
- Views: 2867
Re: Sauer screw bell
FEWeathers wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:38 pm"Ralph has a custom Schilke mouthpiece, essentially a 51 rim on a 50 cup in a special lightweight blank. It's small shank..."
^^Gabe Langfur on page 16 of the old Shires Q&A thread.
- Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:38 pm
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Sauer screw bell
- Replies: 20
- Views: 2867
Re: Sauer screw bell
oops.
- Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:04 pm
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Sauer screw bell
- Replies: 20
- Views: 2867
Re: Sauer screw bell
FWIW, Ralph uses a small shank mouthpiece on his signature Shires horn, as he did on the 88HTO with the SL2547 slide. A picture is worth a 1,000 words...


- Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:03 am
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Joe Alessi
- Replies: 151
- Views: 18870
Re: Joe Alessi
Ben Griffin, circa 2016... [Shires Q&A, what would you like to know? Post by ttf_griffinben » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:49 am Quote from: tombone21 on Sep 15, 2016, 10:03AMWhat Shires components are most similar to the Edwards Alessi horn? In the interest of "what-ifs", because they are fun, the following ...
- Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:08 am
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Joe Alessi
- Replies: 151
- Views: 18870
Re: Joe Alessi
Jim Nova has the best take on this...

- Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:36 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Olds Star Moutpiece
- Replies: 5
- Views: 850
Re: Olds Star Moutpiece
BTW, the Olds 1* seems to have measurements similar to ones mentioned in the 1939 Catalog for the Olds 1, but maybe they were a fudging the diameter a bit: The catalog says a 1" diameter cup (measures more like a Bach 6 3/4), and a "deep" cup (which turns out to be like an Elliot C+ cup), and a .250...
- Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:30 pm
- Forum: Mouthpieces
- Topic: Olds Star Moutpiece
- Replies: 5
- Views: 850
Re: Olds Star Moutpiece
I have a theory about the Olds 1* mouthpiece: it is made for competitor's horns with regular small shank receivers. That's my hypothesis, anyway, as I have an Olds 1* and it fits my Olds tenors like a Bach, or other normal Morse taper mouthpieces. That is to say, it doesn't go in far enough. It fits...
- Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:45 pm
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: S.E Shires T47 w/ yellow brass end crook vs. T47 w/ nickel silver end crook
- Replies: 2
- Views: 794
Re: S.E Shires T47 w/ yellow brass end crook vs. T47 w/ nickel silver end crook
This might be helpful, as Ben Griffin explains the effect different materials has on handslides,
"A yellow handslide crook gives you a little more warmth. It rounds out the articulations more than the nickel silver does..."
https://youtu.be/iMUdz0OHe70
"A yellow handslide crook gives you a little more warmth. It rounds out the articulations more than the nickel silver does..."
https://youtu.be/iMUdz0OHe70
- Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:26 pm
- Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
- Topic: Found one, thanks, chat!
- Replies: 11
- Views: 1388
Re: WTB: Black 2G Lightweight or Regular
Yes, it's a U.S. Territory, currency is the Dollar, etc.
- Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:16 pm
- Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
- Topic: Found one, thanks, chat!
- Replies: 11
- Views: 1388
- Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:39 am
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Conn 88H Hand Slides
- Replies: 36
- Views: 4609
Re: Conn 88H Hand Slides
Compare it to the cork barrels? Behold! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3WlnudTRrg3SAX50RnBZGPAsS5TzOSnCkyipQwmRO10JYvoWrWTPAa2eRC38k46jPbzCpBPvhK7q4FEfwJBnTdGSo7yh26XmYbItqkM9ROIEROs01YiwwkKpb2rZxzYHthR9g1uLycFw-R0nO2ZSuIDFxv80WEZCdWC6uU1oIt-PEqoy1dOSTN4DflJO4NLAyqREyuES2snbzXaqA8gjYgzpbnPJQM7uP8...
- Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:28 pm
- Forum: Instruments
- Topic: Conn 88H Hand Slides
- Replies: 36
- Views: 4609
Re: Conn 88H Hand Slides
What castrubone says. Pick up the one from Dillons, and have it in a few days. It could be months if you order through ProWinds, as they have none in stock.