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Burgerbob

Hey, Kavin! You could buy a Bach 42 or 47 bell to mount on your Edwards. However, this is pretty expensive and would take some more parts that would not come with the bell, as well as work by a trombone technician. There are many Edwards T-350 bells out there that will fit with no work- you may be ...

Burgerbob

I've got a Wessex copy of a Martin Urbie Green trombone for $300 + shipping. It's a great 0.500" bore horn that you can use for just about anything. Nice sound, nice slide, decent case, looks good, no dents. I'm selling it because I fell in love with a Courtois 509 bore. Pix: https://www.dropbox.co...

Burgerbob

im real person. i'm amateur to play trombone. i play the trombone 2 years. i feel edwards good at low and middle register. and bach trombone is good at high register. so i usually play edwards but when i playing the song which has many high register, i want to change the bach bell. so i question. H...

Burgerbob

Thrawn22 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:53 pm
I had that problem with my 3B+.

Did you take the valve off of it first?

Burgerbob

Bach5G wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:28 pm
They don’t????

Not on the vast majority of trombones, no. F will be out a bit farther as the 3rd partial is a little high in comparison to 2nd partial. The adjustment is larger with the F attachment (for C and F, B and E, Bb and Eb) because the positions themselves are larger.

Burgerbob

Bach5G wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:54 pm
There’s the rub: “and the B is further out from there”.

And the Bb in flat 3/sharp 4 will not line up with the Eb a 4th lower? Etc.

Just like F

in first and Bb

in first don't line up. Same partial, same tendencies.

Burgerbob

Have you swapped slides? Tuning slides?

Burgerbob

Peacemate wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:38 pm
Yamaha hand strap is also common. I think leather specialties also makes them in a few sizes, and maybe some more.

The leather specialties is the best starting place for any grip aid, IMO.

Burgerbob

ArbanRubank wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:17 pm
A common hand brace worked wonders for me. I now have one on every horn - even my small bore. It's amazing, the difference.

Best bet is to have both on an unbalanced horn- counterweight and brace.

Burgerbob

I mean no disrespect. But it would be hard to call [Sam's] long posts anything else [but monologues]! Much could be said the same about this forum at times. Both can be great havens of information. So are we more likely to get more / better information from a well-composed, factually-supported essa...

Burgerbob

If you miss Sam's monologues, he's still on facebook. Sorry. I will get off topic here. I think this post is not really respectful. I always really appreciated Sam's posts. He was one of the most thought provoking contributors on TTF and had valuable input to a lot of subjects. I mean no disrespect...

Burgerbob

I find that the German stuff (but not totally old German-style) like your horn are usually pretty good instruments, but they don't respond throughout the dynamic range like American instruments do. It's not a bad thing, just different. I've played most of the Thein, Laetzsch, B&S, etc models and a c...

Burgerbob

Where it's in tune. Farther out than E on average, less so if it's the 5th of an E chord.

Burgerbob

There are some moments I like. But I personally prefer this etude with a bit more momentum.

Also, most of the triplets have been changed to eighth note and two sixteenths. I think this can be a tool to bring out every once in a while, but not quite so often.

Good sounds though!

Burgerbob

Can't help you find one (because I need it!) but my 3B/F loves my D/D3. It works with C+/D3 as well.

Burgerbob

I think counterweight will help, but yes, having it pull so far to the left is the worst part.

Burgerbob

Nothing strikes me as super off, though the third-to-last chord is a bit strange in that context(second inversion Imaj7).

More to the point, write things you'd want to play. Looking at that bass or 3rd part, I'm not sure I'd want to play it.

Burgerbob

Even on an all-brass horn, a brass ring adds a significant weight exactly where you don't want it (way out to the left and forward). I'd love a lighter option. On a carbon fiber horn, I imagine it would be exacerbated.

Burgerbob

1. Not so much a horn, as a valve set... Stainless Thayers built by Brasslab. I was playing on a Trubore setup with Bach bell at the time and really wasn't satisfied with it, so I went to Brassark and tried some horns. Within ONE note I decided it would be the next instrument I owned. I almost didn'...

Burgerbob

I just got a Holton with nickel slide and two-piece red bell that just works. Holtons are great. Is that HawaiiTromboneGuy's horn with the bird's nest rotor? Looked like a fun setup. It's funny, I don't really like Holtons (had a Minick 180 in the past), but this horn rules. And not just in a quirk...

Burgerbob

Well, in that comparison, you're comparing apples made of gold brass to oranges made of yellow brass. They're different materials, yes, but also different instruments made by different companies. I think you can really only make these sorts of comparisons if you're at the Shires or Edwards shop and ...

Burgerbob

If it sounds good, it sounds good.

I personally use the Gb to stay near the middle of the slide more, rather than 1st (though I will play an occasional Db or Gb).

Burgerbob

Thrawn22 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:06 am
Take the valve off and have a straight neckpipe pit on.

Burgerbob

JCBone wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:58 am

Nobbi wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:54 am

I totally agree .... I'd rather buy a second but fitting horn than ripping one apart! Complete no go for me.
Why?

Lot of time, effort, and money to hack apart a functional 3B when there are zillions upon zillions built that way just waiting out there.

Burgerbob

Trombone has a similar skill ceiling to any other instrument, but a much higher bar for entry and a much steeper learning curve. Trombone is hard.

In other news, water is wet.

Burgerbob

I haven't found any horns (tenor or bass) that couldn't pull at least to get a low C. If you need a B, then bring a different instrument. Yes, that came out a bit confusing maybe in my post. The C is not a problem, the B is the problem. On a tenor, naturally. On a bass with two valves it is not an ...

Burgerbob

Could be a bit different on the 36, but it's definitely not centered on mine.

Burgerbob

spencercarran wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:34 pm

hornbuilder wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:14 pm
Traditional wrap Bach valve tuning slides are not long enough for low E.
My tuner disagrees - 36B tuning slide is (barely) long enough for an E pull.

E yes, but not flat E. My 42B with both F slide and handslide dangling off the end is still 25 cents sharp of a B.

Burgerbob

Coffee is some of the worst. I cleaned a friend's horn in grad school and got what I can only describe as a "slug" of congealed coffee out of the upper slide tube.

Burgerbob

Edwards, Getzen and Conn are the same. Shires is a different pitch.

In any case, you can get a ring from Instrument Innovations that will fit a different brand, no big deal.

Burgerbob

I have a Berp which is intended to go on the mouthpiece receiver. You could carry it around and use it as a handheld buzz tool. It has adjustable resistance, so you can pick a setting that matches closer to what you're looking for. It will never quite match the feel of the actual trombone, but it's...

Burgerbob

Db, minor third above tenor

Burgerbob

He's made a few, some with double valve sets, as well as a contralto in Ab (whole step below bass). The Baritones are bass bore and bell (usually 9 inches) and the contralto is based around a Kanstul F contra.

Burgerbob

I haven't found any horns (tenor or bass) that couldn't pull at least to get a low C. If you need a B, then bring a different instrument.

Burgerbob

The Lindberg outer shape is the best. I agree with Harrison. Lindberg pieces are functional, effective, attractive. No wasted material. But perhaps not "massive" enough for working orchestral pros like BurgerBob. Lindberg pieces are pretty heavy, actually. The problem is definitely not with the ext...

Burgerbob

Perhaps I'm ignorant, but I've never understood the necessity or advantage of the extra mass in the bowl-shaped exteriors of so many mouthpieces (Bach, Schilke, Yamaha, ...). That mass can make a pretty massive (pun intended) difference in feedback and response at dynamic extremes. It's not all sna...

Burgerbob

Yup. I've used a BAM Classic for long periods with my basses and never had issues (except on both, the zippers eventually died).

I think there are probably better options for the 36. I keep mine in a gig bag, so not much help!

Burgerbob

The way the BAM cases hold the slide, I'm not sure if I would trust a slightly narrower slide.

Burgerbob

I have improved my playing more in the last few months than in the last few years. Otherwise, not so great. Like Gabe said, plenty of musicians have met their limit. If I get a vaccine by summer I'd be surprised... I'm in just about the last group they would do. If I go a calendar year with no gigs ...

Burgerbob

If you miss Sam's monologues, he's still on facebook.

Burgerbob

I’ve been trying out a Bach 2G for the last little while. I’m not sold on it. How long do you think one should give a mouthpiece before deciding it’s not going to work? Well, I gave a 2G six months at home and felt very positive about it, then went into the orchestra and it didn't last a week.... I...

Burgerbob

Well, having really enjoyed this new 185

I think I'd have the original. But who knows. If it's still around, I'll have to drop by Hornguys and give it a toot.

Burgerbob

Interesting. No 169 bell included!

Burgerbob

How much of the "plastic mouthpieces don't make sound" statement is just the difference in feedback?

Burgerbob

The dual bore valve increases in port diameter along the air path, if that makes sense. The exit port diameter is slightly larger than the entry port. Overall, a smaller valve. The Colin Williams model comes with the standard, larger rotor valve with chamfered edges in the core. The wraps on the tw...

Burgerbob

It's different from their standard rotor, yes. Smaller in exterior size. I'm not sure how the inside has changed, never been able to take one apart. The Sauer models play very well, I've played 3 or 4 at this point. I wouldn't mind one! I think this valve also comes on the Colin Williams model, and ...

Burgerbob

I'm still not certain of your question... the Sauer model comes with the dual bore valve and doesn't have a specific one just for that model, as far as I know.

https://www.seshires.com/trombonevalves

Burgerbob

The OG 613, I think. The H and G variants are pretty different. https://i.imgur.com/vzaHUT1.jpg Yes, but that is a different valve wrap on the F side and the basic instrument is larger in the bell and has a shorter playing slide....otherwise....a clone... Chris Your guess is as good as mine... they...

Burgerbob

Wow ! I didn't know the Yammy 613G was based on the Conn 83H....where did you get that ? The 83H valve design is very close to the indy design used by Larry Minick in the 70s....I know because I have one of Larry's sets...but I have no connection to the 83H. Chris The OG 613, I think. The H and G v...

Burgerbob

Pretty sure it's just the dual-bore valve, smaller relative to the normal rotor.

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