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by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:50 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bach Bell Edwards Trombone & Silmilar Trombone Bell
Replies: 10
Views: 263

Re: 바흐 벨 E 에드워즈 트롬본 & 실밀라 트롬본 벨

Hey, Kavin! You could buy a Bach 42 or 47 bell to mount on your Edwards. However, this is pretty expensive and would take some more parts that would not come with the bell, as well as work by a trombone technician. There are many Edwards T-350 bells out there that will fit with no work- you may be ...
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:24 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Best Small Bore Jazz Horn for Beginner
Replies: 9
Views: 205

Re: Best Small Bore Jazz Horn for Beginner

I've got a Wessex copy of a Martin Urbie Green trombone for $300 + shipping. It's a great 0.500" bore horn that you can use for just about anything. Nice sound, nice slide, decent case, looks good, no dents. I'm selling it because I fell in love with a Courtois 509 bore. Pix: https://www.dropbox.co...
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:45 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bach Bell Edwards Trombone & Silmilar Trombone Bell
Replies: 10
Views: 263

Re: 바흐 벨 E 에드워즈 트롬본 & 실밀라 트롬본 벨

im real person. i'm amateur to play trombone. i play the trombone 2 years. i feel edwards good at low and middle register. and bach trombone is good at high register. so i usually play edwards but when i playing the song which has many high register, i want to change the bach bell. so i question. H...
by Burgerbob
Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:14 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Slotting issues on my King3b
Replies: 8
Views: 578

Re: Slotting issues on my King3b

Thrawn22 wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:53 pm
I had that problem with my 3B+.
Did you take the valve off of it first?
by Burgerbob
Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:36 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Where do you play B natural?
Replies: 28
Views: 1281

Re: Where do you play B natural?

Bach5G wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:28 pm
:shock: They don’t????
Not on the vast majority of trombones, no. F will be out a bit farther as the 3rd partial is a little high in comparison to 2nd partial. The adjustment is larger with the F attachment (for C and F, B and E, Bb and Eb) because the positions themselves are larger.
by Burgerbob
Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:08 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Where do you play B natural?
Replies: 28
Views: 1281

Re: Where do you play B natural?

Bach5G wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:54 pm
There’s the rub: “and the B is further out from there”.

And the Bb in flat 3/sharp 4 will not line up with the Eb a 4th lower? Etc.
Just like F :line4: in first and Bb :line2: in first don't line up. Same partial, same tendencies.
by Burgerbob
Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:24 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Slotting issues on my King3b
Replies: 8
Views: 578

Re: Slotting issues on my King3b

Have you swapped slides? Tuning slides?
by Burgerbob
Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:43 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Is there an easy way to add counter weight to trigger section?
Replies: 21
Views: 783

Re: Is there an easy way to add counter weight to trigger section?

Peacemate wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:38 pm
Yamaha hand strap is also common. I think leather specialties also makes them in a few sizes, and maybe some more.
The leather specialties is the best starting place for any grip aid, IMO.
by Burgerbob
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:18 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Is there an easy way to add counter weight to trigger section?
Replies: 21
Views: 783

Re: Is there an easy way to add counter weight to trigger section?

ArbanRubank wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:17 pm
A common hand brace worked wonders for me. I now have one on every horn - even my small bore. It's amazing, the difference.
Best bet is to have both on an unbalanced horn- counterweight and brace.
by Burgerbob
Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:51 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Embochure fatigue
Replies: 27
Views: 1705

Re: Embochure fatigue

I mean no disrespect. But it would be hard to call [Sam's] long posts anything else [but monologues]! Much could be said the same about this forum at times. Both can be great havens of information. So are we more likely to get more / better information from a well-composed, factually-supported essa...
by Burgerbob
Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:13 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Embochure fatigue
Replies: 27
Views: 1705

Re: Embochure fatigue

If you miss Sam's monologues, he's still on facebook. Sorry. I will get off topic here. I think this post is not really respectful. I always really appreciated Sam's posts. He was one of the most thought provoking contributors on TTF and had valuable input to a lot of subjects. I mean no disrespect...
by Burgerbob
Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:50 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: American/German trombone
Replies: 5
Views: 561

Re: American/German trombone

I find that the German stuff (but not totally old German-style) like your horn are usually pretty good instruments, but they don't respond throughout the dynamic range like American instruments do. It's not a bad thing, just different. I've played most of the Thein, Laetzsch, B&S, etc models and a c...
by Burgerbob
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:10 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Where do you play B natural?
Replies: 28
Views: 1281

Re: Where do you play B natural?

Where it's in tune. Farther out than E on average, less so if it's the 5th of an E chord.
by Burgerbob
Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:33 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Is it allowed to play like this?
Replies: 12
Views: 719

Re: Is it allowed to play like this?

There are some moments I like. But I personally prefer this etude with a bit more momentum.

Also, most of the triplets have been changed to eighth note and two sixteenths. I think this can be a tool to bring out every once in a while, but not quite so often.

Good sounds though!
by Burgerbob
Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:10 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
Topic: WTB: DE MT D-ish cup and 3 shank
Replies: 3
Views: 341

Re: WTB: DE MT D-ish cup and 3 shank

Can't help you find one (because I need it!) but my 3B/F loves my D/D3. It works with C+/D3 as well.
by Burgerbob
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:54 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Butler Screw Bell Question
Replies: 7
Views: 445

Re: Butler Screw Bell Question

I think counterweight will help, but yes, having it pull so far to the left is the worst part.
by Burgerbob
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:48 pm
Forum: Media
Topic: feedback wanted
Replies: 6
Views: 400

Re: feedback wanted

Nothing strikes me as super off, though the third-to-last chord is a bit strange in that context(second inversion Imaj7).

More to the point, write things you'd want to play. Looking at that bass or 3rd part, I'm not sure I'd want to play it.
by Burgerbob
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:10 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Butler Screw Bell Question
Replies: 7
Views: 445

Re: Butler Screw Bell Question

Even on an all-brass horn, a brass ring adds a significant weight exactly where you don't want it (way out to the left and forward). I'd love a lighter option. On a carbon fiber horn, I imagine it would be exacerbated.
by Burgerbob
Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:42 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Your Personal Picks - Most FUN to Play
Replies: 23
Views: 1438

Re: Your Personal Picks - Most FUN to Play

1. Not so much a horn, as a valve set... Stainless Thayers built by Brasslab. I was playing on a Trubore setup with Bach bell at the time and really wasn't satisfied with it, so I went to Brassark and tried some horns. Within ONE note I decided it would be the next instrument I owned. I almost didn'...
by Burgerbob
Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:06 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Different materials in components and how it affects sound and plability.
Replies: 15
Views: 999

Re: Different materials in components and how it affects sound and plability.

I just got a Holton with nickel slide and two-piece red bell that just works. Holtons are great. Is that HawaiiTromboneGuy's horn with the bird's nest rotor? Looked like a fun setup. It's funny, I don't really like Holtons (had a Minick 180 in the past), but this horn rules. And not just in a quirk...
by Burgerbob
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:44 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Different materials in components and how it affects sound and plability.
Replies: 15
Views: 999

Re: Different materials in components and how it affects sound and plability.

Well, in that comparison, you're comparing apples made of gold brass to oranges made of yellow brass. They're different materials, yes, but also different instruments made by different companies. I think you can really only make these sorts of comparisons if you're at the Shires or Edwards shop and ...
by Burgerbob
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:14 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Teaching the Gb valve
Replies: 14
Views: 800

Re: Teaching the Gb valve

If it sounds good, it sounds good.

I personally use the Gb to stay near the middle of the slide more, rather than 1st (though I will play an occasional Db or Gb).
by Burgerbob
Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:12 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Dilemma: Do I want a new horn? Do I want to trade?
Replies: 31
Views: 1359

Re: Dilemma: Do I want a new horn? Do I want to trade?

Thrawn22 wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:06 am
Take the valve off and have a straight neckpipe pit on.
:roll:
by Burgerbob
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:00 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Dilemma: Do I want a new horn? Do I want to trade?
Replies: 31
Views: 1359

Re: Dilemma: Do I want a new horn? Do I want to trade?

JCBone wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:58 am
Nobbi wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:54 am


I totally agree .... I'd rather buy a second but fitting horn than ripping one apart! Complete no go for me.
Why?
Lot of time, effort, and money to hack apart a functional 3B when there are zillions upon zillions built that way just waiting out there.
by Burgerbob
Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:25 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Why Do Trombonists Suck At Improvising?
Replies: 39
Views: 1661

Re: Why Do Trombonists Suck At Improvising?

Trombone has a similar skill ceiling to any other instrument, but a much higher bar for entry and a much steeper learning curve. Trombone is hard.

In other news, water is wet.
by Burgerbob
Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:51 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Anyone know of a trombone with longer tuningslide for the trigger?
Replies: 32
Views: 1497

Re: Anyone know of a trombone with longer tuningslide for the trigger?

I haven't found any horns (tenor or bass) that couldn't pull at least to get a low C. If you need a B, then bring a different instrument. Yes, that came out a bit confusing maybe in my post. The C is not a problem, the B is the problem. On a tenor, naturally. On a bass with two valves it is not an ...
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:58 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Anyone know of a trombone with longer tuningslide for the trigger?
Replies: 32
Views: 1497

Re: Anyone know of a trombone with longer tuningslide for the trigger?

Could be a bit different on the 36, but it's definitely not centered on mine.
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:44 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Anyone know of a trombone with longer tuningslide for the trigger?
Replies: 32
Views: 1497

Re: Anyone know of a trombone with longer tuningslide for the trigger?

spencercarran wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:34 pm
hornbuilder wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:14 pm
Traditional wrap Bach valve tuning slides are not long enough for low E.
My tuner disagrees - 36B tuning slide is (barely) long enough for an E pull.
E yes, but not flat E. My 42B with both F slide and handslide dangling off the end is still 25 cents sharp of a B.
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:06 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Coffee and The Trombone
Replies: 43
Views: 2017

Re: Coffee and The Trombone

Coffee is some of the worst. I cleaned a friend's horn in grad school and got what I can only describe as a "slug" of congealed coffee out of the upper slide tube.
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:41 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Lead pipe threads
Replies: 13
Views: 740

Re: Lead pipe threads

Edwards, Getzen and Conn are the same. Shires is a different pitch.

In any case, you can get a ring from Instrument Innovations that will fit a different brand, no big deal.
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:52 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Mouthpiece Buzzing tools
Replies: 8
Views: 350

Re: Mouthpiece Buzzing tools

I have a Berp which is intended to go on the mouthpiece receiver. You could carry it around and use it as a handheld buzz tool. It has adjustable resistance, so you can pick a setting that matches closer to what you're looking for. It will never quite match the feel of the actual trombone, but it's...
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:13 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bariton trombone?
Replies: 20
Views: 950

Re: Bariton trombone?

Db, minor third above tenor
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:59 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bariton trombone?
Replies: 20
Views: 950

Re: Bariton trombone?

He's made a few, some with double valve sets, as well as a contralto in Ab (whole step below bass). The Baritones are bass bore and bell (usually 9 inches) and the contralto is based around a Kanstul F contra.
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:46 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Anyone know of a trombone with longer tuningslide for the trigger?
Replies: 32
Views: 1497

Re: Anyone know of a trombone with longer tuningslide for the trigger?

I haven't found any horns (tenor or bass) that couldn't pull at least to get a low C. If you need a B, then bring a different instrument.
by Burgerbob
Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:32 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Mouthpiece outer shape
Replies: 13
Views: 793

Re: Mouthpiece outer shape

The Lindberg outer shape is the best. I agree with Harrison. Lindberg pieces are functional, effective, attractive. No wasted material. But perhaps not "massive" enough for working orchestral pros like BurgerBob. Lindberg pieces are pretty heavy, actually. The problem is definitely not with the ext...
by Burgerbob
Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:09 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Mouthpiece outer shape
Replies: 13
Views: 793

Re: Mouthpiece outer shape

Perhaps I'm ignorant, but I've never understood the necessity or advantage of the extra mass in the bowl-shaped exteriors of so many mouthpieces (Bach, Schilke, Yamaha, ...). That mass can make a pretty massive (pun intended) difference in feedback and response at dynamic extremes. It's not all sna...
by Burgerbob
Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:06 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Bach 36 case compatibility
Replies: 5
Views: 377

Re: Bach 36 case compatibility

Yup. I've used a BAM Classic for long periods with my basses and never had issues (except on both, the zippers eventually died).

I think there are probably better options for the 36. I keep mine in a gig bag, so not much help!
by Burgerbob
Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:11 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Bach 36 case compatibility
Replies: 5
Views: 377

Re: Bach 36 case compatibility

The way the BAM cases hold the slide, I'm not sure if I would trust a slightly narrower slide.
by Burgerbob
Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:21 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: 2020: not the worst year ever
Replies: 5
Views: 526

Re: 2020: not the worst year ever

I have improved my playing more in the last few months than in the last few years. Otherwise, not so great. Like Gabe said, plenty of musicians have met their limit. If I get a vaccine by summer I'd be surprised... I'm in just about the last group they would do. If I go a calendar year with no gigs ...
by Burgerbob
Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:09 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Embochure fatigue
Replies: 27
Views: 1705

Re: Embochure fatigue

If you miss Sam's monologues, he's still on facebook.
by Burgerbob
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:39 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: How long do you give a mouthpiece?
Replies: 24
Views: 1576

Re: How long do you give a mouthpiece?

I’ve been trying out a Bach 2G for the last little while. I’m not sold on it. How long do you think one should give a mouthpiece before deciding it’s not going to work? Well, I gave a 2G six months at home and felt very positive about it, then went into the orchestra and it didn't last a week.... I...
by Burgerbob
Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:55 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Minick 169 @ Horn Guys
Replies: 12
Views: 1216

Re: Minick 169 @ Horn Guys

Well, having really enjoyed this new 185 :) I think I'd have the original. But who knows. If it's still around, I'll have to drop by Hornguys and give it a toot.
by Burgerbob
Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:30 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Minick 169 @ Horn Guys
Replies: 12
Views: 1216

Re: Minick 169 @ Horn Guys

Interesting. No 169 bell included!
by Burgerbob
Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:09 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Mouthpiece material
Replies: 29
Views: 1761

Re: Mouthpiece material

How much of the "plastic mouthpieces don't make sound" statement is just the difference in feedback?
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:24 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Shires dual bore valves
Replies: 12
Views: 877

Re: Shires dual bore valves

The dual bore valve increases in port diameter along the air path, if that makes sense. The exit port diameter is slightly larger than the entry port. Overall, a smaller valve. The Colin Williams model comes with the standard, larger rotor valve with chamfered edges in the core. The wraps on the tw...
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:12 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Shires dual bore valves
Replies: 12
Views: 877

Re: Shires dual bore valves

It's different from their standard rotor, yes. Smaller in exterior size. I'm not sure how the inside has changed, never been able to take one apart. The Sauer models play very well, I've played 3 or 4 at this point. I wouldn't mind one! I think this valve also comes on the Colin Williams model, and ...
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:51 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Shires dual bore valves
Replies: 12
Views: 877

Re: Shires dual bore valves

I'm still not certain of your question... the Sauer model comes with the dual bore valve and doesn't have a specific one just for that model, as far as I know.

https://www.seshires.com/trombonevalves
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:50 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: 83H
Replies: 22
Views: 1545

Re: 83H

The OG 613, I think. The H and G variants are pretty different. https://i.imgur.com/vzaHUT1.jpg Yes, but that is a different valve wrap on the F side and the basic instrument is larger in the bell and has a shorter playing slide....otherwise....a clone... Chris Your guess is as good as mine... they...
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:26 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: 83H
Replies: 22
Views: 1545

Re: 83H

Wow ! I didn't know the Yammy 613G was based on the Conn 83H....where did you get that ? The 83H valve design is very close to the indy design used by Larry Minick in the 70s....I know because I have one of Larry's sets...but I have no connection to the 83H. Chris The OG 613, I think. The H and G v...
by Burgerbob
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:23 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Shires dual bore valves
Replies: 12
Views: 877

Re: Shires dual bore valves

Pretty sure it's just the dual-bore valve, smaller relative to the normal rotor.

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