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Burgerbob

I'm not sure they have anything right now.

Burgerbob

Peppy mouthpieces, one of the main techs at the original Bach factory, unless I'm mistaken.

Burgerbob

Giddings throats are all pretty large. I would definitely ask what the specs are on the Chinook, Karif, and Adriano before buying. .321 on the V-Max is gigantic.

What's letting you down about the 85MD?

Burgerbob

They are familiar, blow wise, just having a bit of time on the twin.

Burgerbob

Record yourself on the small horn as well. I would hazard you're not centering things the same way you might think. I'm also a bass trombonist that had to get much better at small bore, and I spent a lot of the last year getting to that point. I think the number 1 thing that helped me was playing wi...

Burgerbob

I forgot I played the Sovereign! I quite liked it as well. I really love those new Bessons, they are great... the Prestige at the show last year was my favorite instrument.

Burgerbob

Aidan, there was one company there with a bunch of compact tubas and euphoniums. You didn't happen to try one, did you? I noodled around on one of the euphs and it was surprisingly playable. That Bob Sanders bass is a beast though. They put a little extra care and juju magic into that one. You talk...

Burgerbob

Someone that plays alto would have to clue you in.

A good player friend said the Adams alto was quite good.

Burgerbob

Agreed. The same holds true on tenors. I feel like Hammond, Griego and Schilke work pretty well on most big brands, but GB either works really really well or not so much. What about GB and greenhoe? Does it depend on bach vs conn style greenhoes? I found it to work on all the greenhoes just fine.

Burgerbob

Thanks Aidan. The Greenhoe dependents have me curious. The Bob Sanders horn has me really curious. Wondering if there are any 1 and 1/2G players who played any basses. So many instruments are developed with big mouthpieces in mind. You're right. Most of what I played worked really well with my GB.....

Burgerbob

They are quite different. Different valves, wrap, and some materials.

Burgerbob

You could use a Getzen dual bore slide tenon, unless I'm mistaken.

Burgerbob

Hmm. I didn't notice. I have small hands, might be why.

Burgerbob

Nice. Thanks! Seems to fit with my experiences recently When I was at ATW, I tried the Courtois line and was underwhelmed by everything they gave to me.... They wouldn't understand that I thought the slide grip for the left hand was crazy small. But if you watch that same rep demo it on YouTube, he...

Burgerbob

Hello all. Just completed two noisy, energy sapping days (couple hours each) at NAMM in Anaheim. Here's my thoughts on some low brass instruments... remember that sound isn't something I can judge really well in a huge convention center, so most of this is feel based rather than how it sounds in a g...

Burgerbob

The frustrating part is : Why would I spend big bucks to buy a nice new Bach and then have to cut into it in order to play in tune? I don't get it. Thanks everyone Randy Because the 42 was designed as the 36, and as the 36 was designed to be played with a 6 1/2AL on the large side. You play a mouth...

Burgerbob

Tbarh wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:09 pm

Burgerbob wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:11 pm
His mouthpiece has a 3 rim but is not large cup wise, with a smaller throat than something in that size.
Still very big!!

Well... Not really.

Burgerbob

His mouthpiece has a 3 rim but is not large cup wise, with a smaller throat than something in that size.

Burgerbob

That's mostly up to the player. I think the OP plays on the low side (not a quality judgement, just how it is) and a large mouthpiece will exacerbate that. I have cut all my Bach 50s for the same reason. Large mouthpiece and I play on the lower side. On my 42, I play a larger mouthpiece and push out...

Burgerbob

norbie2018 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:58 am
How is that pertinent to the discussion? Just wondering.

Mouthpieces affect intonation.

Burgerbob

Bachs are long. If you had the other horn cut, another 42 is going to be much the same.

Burgerbob

Arrowhead wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:34 am
Some of those numbers look a bit off. The King 3B slide is definitely not a lightweight slide. Neither is the Super. Are you sure those numbers are accurate?

On the 3B slides on the chart? 3B isn't light, but it's not heavy. Looks right to me.

Burgerbob

bassbonebuster wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:24 am
How do the new artist rotors compare to the rotax valves?

I like them more than rotax.

Burgerbob

Probably just added aftermarket.

Burgerbob

That's interesting, but there definitely is an "88h" market in the UK, that's for sure, thanks to Denis Wick. Though, Conn's definitely Do have a dual radius tuning slide, though not quite as dual radius as the Rath tuning slide. These are the "star valves" which THein uses sometimes: https://thein...

Burgerbob

Posaunus wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:58 pm
Is there really something special and different about Bach's "Mount Vernon" mouthpieces?

I have read that the dimensions/shapes of their mouthpieces have changed over the years.

Is this 2G very different from later versions or new ones from Bach?

To put it simply, yes.

Burgerbob

I think there's points on both sides here that are quite valid. Greg makes great pieces, but he also has spotty (sometimes great, sometimes not) customer service. I don't think it's out of the question to be called out on that point. I say this as someone that has had pieces made, plays more GBs now...

Burgerbob

bbocaner wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:03 pm
And while it's a Rath-branded valve, I'd be surprised if the valve itself were manufactured at Rath.

Even if they aren't manufacturing them themselves, there's no licensing or other costs like with Rotax. Just paying another shop to make their own design. Rotax are crazy expensive.

Burgerbob

I think it's just Mick wanting to make his own valves and not having to source Rotax anymore. Same as Edwards recently.

Burgerbob

Eastman isn't a great flight case, and the 462 doesn't fit a bass trombone.

Burgerbob

To be clear, there's no written rule that a valve bore has to be larger than the slide. The King 6B has valves the same size as the slide and it plays just fine.

Also, the SL62/80 is a bass trombone dual bore slide... it just happens to fit the 88H. Not really applicable to the scenario.

Burgerbob

HT means thin bell, right?

Burgerbob

I almost bought a king valve section off of a forum member, and I believe he said that his 3b and 607 valve sections were .530 ports. [/i] Can anybody confirm whether a 3B+ or 607 handslide will fit a regular 3B? And any thoughts on how it would play with the bore difference between the bell & slid...

Burgerbob

low-key looking for a 3B/F bell section. Just looking for a cheap one that works, but if you have a nice SilverSonic I wouldn't say no. Don't need a slide.

Burgerbob

Hope you're not sharp on that 3B/F!

Burgerbob

Neo Bri wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:54 pm
These are very good. Very, very good.

Yup! I just played the horn for sale, and it's a great instrument.

Burgerbob

In any case, you end up playing two Ts next to each other. I find TTK to be a little better if you want the accent to fall on the downbeat, more of a fanfare style. For consecutive triplets, any way (including double tonguing- tkt ktk tkt ktk) works, and is up to you.

Burgerbob

Gary wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:00 pm
Just a curiosity question . . is it worth it? Do you really et that much value-added as opposed to using any one of many other outstanding makes/models out there?

Yup.

Burgerbob

Marcus Bonna super light.

https://www.hornguys.com/products/marcu ... uper-light

Also, most cases that are not the cheapest of the cheap will be fine.

Burgerbob

Griego makes some good stuff... but it's not Greg Black

Burgerbob

I should say that I had a beater S22 at some point. I really liked it, use it for a run of Carmina Burana. A version of that with a larger valve would be very interesting.

Keep in mind the bell throats are quite small on all these horns.

Burgerbob

Cool horns, not sure where I would use one today.

I think the single valve examples are just a bit better in all ways... the doubles have crazy ergonomics, and the small valves really restrict the horn.

Burgerbob

Kyle plays a Shires with axials, or at least he did very recently! The previous bass trombonist played a 62CL with sterling bell.

Burgerbob

I've played a really stellar modern 62HI. Spoke easily, sounded good. John Lofton also uses one at LA Phil with a dual bore slide. Great sound out of him!

Burgerbob

I'm in am opera company with a reduced orchestra. About half the time I am on bass trombone, I think.

Burgerbob

Yup, I'm going. Year 4 in a row I think.

Burgerbob

Eastman by Shires are gone and have been for several years.

Shires Custom are made in Massachusetts.

Shires Q parts are made in Massachusetts, then assembled in China.

Burgerbob

What slides fit the King 607? 3B? or only 3B+?

Burgerbob

Shires also makes a euphonium now. https://www.dillonmusic.com/shires-q-se ... onium.html

I'm pretty sure Steve is going to make very nice, custom french horns on his own. And that's it.

Burgerbob

Bach5G wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:47 pm

Burgerbob wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:29 pm

Stephen has a non-compete. He is making french horns, not trombones.
Non-competes usually expire. It’s been around 5 years since Eastman bought the company. Maybe the non-compete expired Dec 31/19?

https://www.stephenshorns.com/

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