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Large.

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Leadpipes match to a slide, which matches to a horn. I have some leadpipes I like that don't match any of my current horns. And I quite like those horns!

I don't think there's really a science to this. Too many variables to consider. Play everything, keep what you like.

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They're pretty different in basically every way. I would just get one and try it out, there's not really any text comparisons that can help.

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It's still a big piece. You'll need some chops to go with it in order to get the full range of sound.

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Kids these days, amirite?

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Every shipping company is a gamble, and I'm not sure any are just miles ahead. I prefer to go the cheaper route in that case.

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I have shipped dozens of case sized packages with USPS. I think maybe once I have gone over 100 dollars, and that was with a huge insurance amount. Stop using FedEx or UPS for shipping trombones and you won't have that problem.

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And Jose Milton Viera on first trombone, for some extra greatness.

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Conn Helleberg 7B is about as small as I would go.

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Tbarh wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:34 pm
Why the huge slide?

Why not?

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mrdeacon wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:59 pm

greenbean wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:37 pm
I just picked one up. $30 included shipping.

http://clebschstrap.com
How exactly does the bone strap work? I have a few horn friends with the horn strap. Does it work the same as the leather specialities and yamaha strap?

Yup, it's the same.

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Bach5G wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:47 pm
That looks pretty slick. I’d like to see a photo of it on a trombone though.

They're the same as the Yamaha and leather specialties. The picture on the site is the horn strap.

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The bass large works on wide slides for me, my A47 is as wide as my Shires dual bore so it fits the same.

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greenbean wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:20 pm
There is also the Clebsch Strap. Leather and well-made.

I thought those were long gone. That was my first strap, used it until it disintegrated. When I looked for a replacement the only option was Yamaha.

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I think a smaller one for a narrow slide might be good for a small horn. As for all the different sizes, I'm confused as well, because the largest is still not quite as long as the Yamaha strap. I bought the large bass version. Here's how I use them: https://i.imgur.com/O6RixAF.jpg https://i.imgur.c...

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I just played a 290 and have a friend with another. I'd give them a solid "meh" score.. not bad horns, but not really blowing me away. The sound is definitely not what I'm used to, and both playing it and playing next to it I'd usually prefer something else.

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I don't find the Neotech to work especially well on bass trombone because of the 2nd valve. I use mine on a small bore straight tenor.

Right now I use straps on my basses, which work great.

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What's the horn? I use a strap on one horn and a Neotech on another.

Also, the leather specialties strap is miles better than the Yamaha.

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Bluetooth speaker plus the cell phone will make it loud enough.

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Mixing things up. Last warmup had too many bad habits baked in.

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Personally, I don't know anyone that uses them in that way at a high level. I have a feeling many that do only do because it's what they were taught, not necessarily because they know it's effective. I'm sure some people out there start their warmup with them and feel great. Oddly enough, the Michae...

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Well, it seems that OP is admitting that the Remingtons are a poor warmup himself.

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I have tried to adapt the remingtons to the full range, but I have found that although it does help with the range warm ups, it is still very uneven. In a way, it’s almost like you are warming up three different parts - your high, low and mid range. I think it would be more beneficial to have an ex...

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I can't think of many better tests for the bass trombone than Prokofiev Romeo and Juliet!

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I find "long tones" to be a better fundamental exercise rather than a warmup.

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Yup. I have several times. I'm using my original one from 2008, actually. It's beat up but still protects the horn.

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SKB 360 is where it's at. Tiny, very sturdy, good on the horn.

Any gig bag is larger and doesn't protect at all.

Any really better hard case will be much larger and heavier.

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IMO, that's just a large tenor with a 9 inch bell. But it might be a good match for that type of music.

If I had a choice, I would use a real bass like a 72H.

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Cimbasso, contra, I'm not worried about distinctions. 3rd trombone is tenor territory. You don't need 2 valves or an F instrument for that. I'm talking about pushing down into the single and double trigger range. Anyone who has played big band knows the requirements keep changing. I play bass in qu...

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Bass trombone hasn't gotten any bigger since the 90s (Edwards bell throats). Mouthpieces have grown. Shires medium bell weight is what used to be considered heavy. The sound people are trying to make keeps growing. Like Matt said, the regular Shires bell now is what used to be the light series. The...

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Bass trombone hasn't gotten any bigger since the 90s (Edwards bell throats).

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It would be like substituting flugabone for tenor trombone. Just not the same instrument. Might have the same range and even a similar sound, but not a suitable replacement.

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In a word? No.

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Yeah, the 32H leadpipe really opened up and evened out the horn. I have since played a couple stock 3Bs and they felt very tight and inconsistent compared to mine.

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Doug Elliott all the way. LB114/L/L8 has been my go-to bass piece for a little over a year now. I've been playing XB114/M/M8 and sometimes L/L8. For relatively inexpensive mouthpieces though, the Yeo replica is probably my first recommendation. What do you think of the L? I had an identical mouthpi...

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That's the plan!

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And the 1G and 00AL are pretty awful, IMO.

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Well, the Yeo replica is pretty good...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpSzvXWqQR4

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Probably something like 10 percent.

I just recorded myself on 13 different bass trombone mouthpieces. I sound like me in all of the recordings, but the sound changes pretty drastically to the trained ear. That "drastic" change is probably not a lot in the grand scheme of things, of course.

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Used King 3B.

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I currently have 3 Bach 50s, like an idiot. Thankfully, all three of them are the best 50s I have owned in one way or another. https://i.imgur.com/I60QQQF.jpg The gold bell instrument on the left has been modified with Shires rotors (was a stock 50B3OG). In stock form it wasn't a bad horn, but wasn'...

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I am very tempted to buy that... 50B2 converted to inline on a tight budget, maybe?

I also need to post my current horns here.

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I'm not sure. I'll ask! I have an inside source, my wife works there

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Well, finally played a Mt. Vernon 1.5G. The magic is real! What a great mouthpiece. It's by far the most sound from a 1.5 that I've used. I do have some good ones, including a George Roberts Replica CE mouthpiece, and none of them have the 1. Sound 2. Ease 3. Low register that this one does. I have ...

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Small shank:
Corp. Bach 12C
Olds 12C*
Bach 5 (sold)
Corp. Bach 3 (sold)
Wick 6BS
Old Schilke 51

Hit me up for pictures/prices.

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