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by doctortrombone
Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:35 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Is it possible to make a bass trumpet in C plays in Bb?
Replies: 2
Views: 53

Re: Is it possible to make a bass trumpet in C plays in Bb?

Schiller makes this horn in Bb. https://reverb.com/item/7314371-schiller-elite-frankfurt-rotary-bass-bb-trumpet-silver?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImbi0q-Gk3wIVF9NkCh1FmATZEAQYAiABEgKRV_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&pla=1 I understand the desire for a Bb horn, at least for the kind of playing I do. I improvise and play b...
by doctortrombone
Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:33 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Getzen Experts
Replies: 4
Views: 236

Re: Getzen Experts

I need help from the Getzen experts out there Im looking into buying an older Getzen from an old band director friend and am trying to find the details of the horn. The horn has a lot of sentimental value and may not be my main axe so your opinion on the horns playing is welcomed but not necesarly ...
by doctortrombone
Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:31 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Cases
Topic: FS: A bunch of tenor cases!
Replies: 12
Views: 21529

Re: FS: A bunch of tenor cases!

PM Sent.
by doctortrombone
Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:12 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Ebay listing - Only 5 hrs left
Replies: 7
Views: 430

Re: Ebay listing - Only 5 hrs left

You do have to admit, that's a hell of a horn!

I ran across a seller with a similarly overpriced horn. I offered them 1/4 of the asking price, and they accepted my offer. With this one, maybe 1/8 of the asking price?
by doctortrombone
Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:22 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Identify this slide?
Replies: 4
Views: 276

Re: Identify this slide?

Blessing B88?
by doctortrombone
Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Sneaky Ebay Seller. Heigh Ho SILVER!!!
Replies: 4
Views: 301

Re: Sneaky Ebay Seller. Heigh Ho SILVER!!!

Doug Elliott wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:47 pm
I love the hose clamp on the mouthpiece receiver.
You mean the stainless steel harmonic bridge? ;)

One thing I like about it is with that flat plate of brass in the tuning-slide crook, it would act as a weathervane if you tried to march with it.
by doctortrombone
Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:56 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Sneaky Ebay Seller. Heigh Ho SILVER!!!
Replies: 4
Views: 301

Sneaky Ebay Seller. Heigh Ho SILVER!!!

This one's come up before, but the description cracks me up. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sterling-Silver-Custom-Trombone-W-Hand-Hammered-Bell-Grips-And-Pencil-Holder/153274786089 Sterling silver trombone. Sterling, as in "Sterling Tonk Company" who made it. Silver, as in the color of the bell. Trombone...
by doctortrombone
Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:01 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?
Replies: 22
Views: 753

Re: Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?

This is a bit risky, but it can work. I've cleaned tubes like this, heated them uniformly, added liquid flux, then a small amount of sliver-bearing solder. I then re-heat and wipe the solder off with a cotton cloth. I end up with a thin layer of solder "plating" the original metal. It goes on surpri...
by doctortrombone
Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:33 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 913

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

If you wanted the lightest possible TIS slide, you could eliminate the adjustment screw and extra brace(s) entirely and go with just a clamping device on one of the sleeves. I've got an Olds bass that is set up that way, and Earl Williams built a few tenors like that. Of course, you've still got th...
by doctortrombone
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:05 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Slightly misaligned rotor
Replies: 4
Views: 385

Re: Slightly misaligned rotor

Some valves have more tolerance than others. I like seeing valves that provide a step-less transition between the casing and the rotor, but quite a few valves are built with a misalignment between the "U" in the rotor and the "O" in the casing. If there's a step down to the "U," you can have as much...
by doctortrombone
Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:16 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Getzen Eterna Second Valve
Replies: 9
Views: 2715

Re: Getzen Eterna Second Valve

Thanks for all the feedback so far, everyone. Jgittleson has the right idea here. This horn was a gift and carries a good deal of sentimental value for me, not to mention that it plays fantastic. On another note, I am curious about another option that I think still falls under this thread. How much...
by doctortrombone
Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:56 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Different leadpipe material
Replies: 21
Views: 9222

Re: Different leadpipe material

Now, a casual mental accounting of the stories I have heard about these things from the slide to the bell, most right here or on the predecessor TTF, indicates nearly all such discussion involves the things further out than the slide material variably exposed. It seems like you're arguing it's only...
by doctortrombone
Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:34 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Replace or replate inner slide tubes
Replies: 7
Views: 1330

Re: Replace or replate inner slide tubes

If you measure the OD of the stockings, you could perhaps find a chromed brass or nickel tube that would replace them. Most soldered-on stockings were on small-bore horns. It's conceivable that a part of a modern horn's slide other than the stocking could be substituted and soldered in place. I have...
by doctortrombone
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:37 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Stuck thayer valve(s)
Replies: 12
Views: 12000

Re: Stuck thayer valve(s)

The Patent on the Thayer valve expired years ago, so none of the axial valves being made today are/should/need to be licensed. Regardless of where they are made. FYI I hadn't realized that. Still, I do think the problem may not be an issue with the particular valve on that horn, but with a run of v...
by doctortrombone
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:20 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Stuck thayer valve(s)
Replies: 12
Views: 12000

Re: Stuck thayer valve(s)

Something else to consider--Not all axial valves are Thayers. I'm not sure what Jupiter was using, but it's possible that they're a Chinese-made knock-off. Sometimes the metals used in these knock-offs aren't right. I've had Chinese-made rotary valves that would seize every time they were out of use...
by doctortrombone
Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:43 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: copper director price range?
Replies: 6
Views: 3345

Re: copper director price range?

They're all over the map on Ebay. Do a search for "copper trombone" and "sold listings" and a lot will show up. Parts horns for $40, fair original for $50, good original for $125, refurbished for $750 :o good original in the $250 to $350 range. It's hard to say why there's so much variation. When I'...
by doctortrombone
Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:20 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Mouthpiece Repair
Replies: 13
Views: 6071

Re: Mouthpiece Repair

It's a shame the OP hasn't weighed in again. I'd like to know how badly the rim was damaged. Also, whether he really meant "rim" and didn't mean "shank" instead. I've repaired mouthpieces in mild to drastic ways. Often, repairing rim damage is a matter of removing a few thousandths of metal while ma...
by doctortrombone
Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:58 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: King 2280 Shank
Replies: 6
Views: 1493

Re: King 2280 Shank

That's definitely further than usual, but I'm not sure what folks mean by "bottoming out." To me, bottoming out would imply that the small end of the mouthpiece shank hits the small end of the leadpipe where it inserts into the receiver. Otherwise, don't ALL mouthpieces bottom out? Isn't that what h...
by doctortrombone
Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:47 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn 6h
Replies: 9
Views: 1631

Re: Conn 6h

Best thing is to post some detailed pictures. Conn went back to numbers only in the '80s, so just the number isn't enough. Here's what a '62 Elkie would look like: https://www.thebrass-exchange.com/index.php?q=catalog/conn-6h-elkhart-era-vintage-1962-amazing-sold A later Abilene horn would have roun...
by doctortrombone
Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:33 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Getzen Eterna Second Valve
Replies: 9
Views: 2715

Re: Getzen Eterna Second Valve

Allied lists all the parts separately. It's kind of hard to tell, since there are no pictures and the descriptions are vague. Just the valve assembly (I'm assuming casing, valve rotor, bearing, cap, and stops) retails for over $325 at standard markup. The tubing adds at least another $150 if you're ...
by doctortrombone
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:45 am
Forum: Comments & Suggestions
Topic: is there a buy and sell page/board
Replies: 4
Views: 21760

Re: is there a buy and sell page/board

I found a fe olds trumbone in my attic it has number m951 on it can someone tell me its worth by that number M is probably referring to medium bore. 951, if that's the only number, would put it in the early 1900s, and almost all of the Olds horns from that era were the "Standard' model with tuning ...
by doctortrombone
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:12 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 243
Views: 16675

Re: Db bass trombone!

Finished up the reciever and bell brace. Man what I'd give to actually get braces that fit. Nothing is more annoying that having to cut shims to get a tight fit (for brand new name brand parts they are allegedly made to fit togrther from the manufacturer), then sit there with a rawhide mallet peeni...
by doctortrombone
Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:58 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3493

Re: Calling all horn makers!

My 2 issues with them are, fitment, and thickness primarily. I think some context is appropriate. 100 years ago, this was probably the best that could be done with the available tooling. But this is not 100 years ago, and we have tooks available to make incredible advancements. I use ferrules as an...
by doctortrombone
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:51 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3493

Re: Calling all horn makers!

Schlitz wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:39 pm
The profile pic on the faculty bio page is silly, Doc.
You figured that out, eh? That we weren't required to pose in Hawaiian shirts with Conn 90Gs, and that I was being silly? Good for you.
by doctortrombone
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:14 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3493

Re: Calling all horn makers!

Jgittleson wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:02 pm
The independent one has a step on the valve side, its unavoidable.
No, it isn't. I've cut down more than 20 horns. If I can't avoid a major step in bore, I won't build it. Its shoddy workmanship.

But hey---I apologize for getting you all riled up again. Advertise away. I'll let you be.
by doctortrombone
Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:56 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3493

Re: Calling all horn makers!

... Granted, I have no clue ... Pretty much sums it up. I live in Eastern Washington, but I'm a California native. Don't assume that where I live has anything to do with whether or not my points are "silly." If you think they're silly, by all means tell me why. For example, your earlier post about ...
by doctortrombone
Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:57 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3493

Re: Calling all horn makers!

Oh boy.... ok for starters the bore is continuous. Is it? There a jump of at least .040 in the first picture, as seen in the crook slid over the valve stub. In the second picture, it looks as though you've simply put in a stepped ferrule. Unless your new design incorporates a tesseract or you're us...
by doctortrombone
Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:11 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3493

Re: Calling all horn makers!

For me, the point is "do parts do the job?" and is performance lessened with their use? Enthusiasts are born to redesign and overthink the way components work. Woodworkers may suggest that chamfered teak would make superior popsicle sticks. An artist versed in decoupage might say that postage stamps...
by doctortrombone
Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:43 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3493

Re: Calling all horn makers!

The came the Bach Ferrule. What crap! The excessive play alone makes it nearly impossible for perfect alignment by eye. Why bother to go into all that? Because that junky ferrule, from a 5-6k horn, is what spurred me to start this topic. I'm personally tired of crap parts, I'll be having parts of m...
by doctortrombone
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:23 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Trumpet with Wiener Klappen?
Replies: 3
Views: 984

Re: Trumpet with Wiener Klappen?

OK--I figured out the thumb valve. It simultaneously extends the first and third valve tuning slides. Actually, pretty cool if it works.

I can't imagine that opening up a hole in the tubing would do much for your tone, even if it does allow for better intonation.
by doctortrombone
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:16 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Trumpet with Wiener Klappen?
Replies: 3
Views: 984

Trumpet with Wiener Klappen?

So I found a rotary valve trumpet on Ebay--quite expensive for a Chinese horn--which has "Wiener Klappen." Now, my first thought was "A shot of penicillin will clear that right up," but it turns out that "Wiener Klappen" are a type of valve. The trumpet has three keys which look like water keys, but...
by doctortrombone
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:07 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Remove laquer on '75 King trombone
Replies: 14
Views: 6011

Re: Remove laquer on '75 King trombone

I've used ammonia vapor in the past. I was finishing a 100 year-old Besson compensating euphonium, because I had done some work on one of the branches and they were shinier than the rest of the horn. I used a garbage can made of plastic, with a tight-fitting lid. I put the ammonia in a glass contain...
by doctortrombone
Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:57 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Worn Edwards Bass bell/slide tenon
Replies: 4
Views: 1068

Re: Worn Edwards Bass bell/slide tenon

It's a good idea to have it checked out, but as for a loss of compression, I don't think there's much chance that a loose fit at that junction would affect the sound of the horn. Once the nut is locked down, there is a solid mechanical connection there. Even a loose fit at that junction would be abo...
by doctortrombone
Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:47 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Franklin Trombone
Replies: 4
Views: 770

Re: Franklin Trombone

Getzen and Blessing both made copper bells for small bore horns. The thread I linked to mentions a different thread on Chisham net. That one has pictures of the Franklin horn. His does not have a copper bell, but it has the same model designation as yours. Does it look similar to the one that you bo...
by doctortrombone
Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:09 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Franklin Trombone
Replies: 4
Views: 770

Re: Franklin Trombone

https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=2304

Someone beat you to the punch. Apparently, the best current guess is that it's a Getzen stencil.

Can you post a link to the closed auction?
by doctortrombone
Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:43 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Chrome Plated Brass Slide Tubes?
Replies: 5
Views: 1302

Re: Chrome Plated Brass Slide Tubes?

.522 is the same as the lower slide of an Olds smallbore tenor. Ambassadors, Specials, Studios and a few others used them. Allied still lists them, but I don't know if they're still in stock. Then again, you can pick up a used Ambassador with good stockings for less than $100.
by doctortrombone
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:48 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Chrome Plated Brass Slide Tubes?
Replies: 5
Views: 1302

Re: Chrome Plated Brass Slide Tubes?

So for a Williams 4, couldn't you retube with King 2B lowers, both inner and outer? Seems like the .491 wouldn't be much different from the .490, and is even within the margin of error for most calipers. Were the original outers nickel, or brass? Generally, for redoing inners, you need to know the o...
by doctortrombone
Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:17 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bach LT16M Counterweight
Replies: 14
Views: 1412

Re: Bach LT16M Counterweight

I went a similar route to Matt's with a Mt Vernon Mercury model. The Bach student horn counterweights fit the pro tenors, and look good on them.
by doctortrombone
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:42 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: King 3B and 606 bells
Replies: 4
Views: 1192

Re: King 3B and 606 bells

Allied lists a replacement bell which retails for over $200, but for some reason, they label it as a 607. Conn/Selmer notes the same thing. The 3B bell is cross-listed with the 607, (TM09016) while the 606 has its own designation (TM15016). The 3B bell is significantly more expensive than the 606, s...
by doctortrombone
Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:36 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Slide
Replies: 44
Views: 3247

Re: Slide

The problem I've had with shotgun rods and bore mops is that they are usually made out of two or three threaded pieces. The threaded sections seem to be rather fragile. I've seen them snap off in the middle of a slide, leaving a rag and a chunk of aluminum inside of the slide with no easy way to get...
by doctortrombone
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Custom Bell Flare
Replies: 22
Views: 1762

Re: Custom Bell Flare

Doug Elliott wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:41 am
I remember from the Forum days somebody had a bell that had crumpled because it was extremely thin in the area where a screw collar would go, and one suggestion was to make it into a screw bell to strengthen that area. Maybe this the the same bell?
Pretty sure that was me. Conn 88h.
by doctortrombone
Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:14 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Custom Bell Flare
Replies: 22
Views: 1762

Re: Custom Bell Flare

Who made the screw bell hardware? If it's aftermarket, there are many configuration for the screwbell parts. Or are you talking about transferring the collar over to a new flare?
by doctortrombone
Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:00 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 243
Views: 16675

Re: Db bass trombone!

Sorry, but i don't think you know the actual ins and out of this horn. This is a very different beast than what you are referring to. The bell alone fits no conventional dimensions, and the point is this is something new and totally different. Not to poo poo on anyone's work, but Pete's horn just r...
by doctortrombone
Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:37 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why Eb? Why F?
Replies: 31
Views: 1556

Re: Why Eb? Why F?

"Why F" seems pretty simple to me, and it has nothing to do with slide trombones. Think about valved brass instruments. The progression in valved instrument starts with a half-step (2nd valve). From that point, first valve is 2nd valve x2, third valve is first valve plus second valve, and fourth val...
by doctortrombone
Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:25 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Main slide lock not locking properly
Replies: 11
Views: 1665

Re: Main slide lock not locking properly

On most horns, you can see the ends of the tenon joints when the nut is not engaged. If there's no gap between the ends, and they're butted up against each other, you will never be able to maintain the connection between the two parts without some slipping.
by doctortrombone
Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:46 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Yamaha Marching Bari. Cool Player with some Interesting Mods. $525 plus shipping.
Replies: 3
Views: 459

FS: Yamaha Marching Bari. Cool Player with some Interesting Mods. $525 plus shipping.

I call her "Rosie" because "She ain't exactly pretty... She ain't exactly small..." Another marching band refugee. The finish was too far gone to polish out, so I took out all the major dents, sealed up all the holes, and sandblasted the entire horn. I then clearcoated it with Nikolas Clear Bake lac...
by doctortrombone
Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:22 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Olds TIS Bell. Gold Plated. 6 3/8 bell. Nice Condition. $150 plus shipping
Replies: 0
Views: 184

FS: Olds TIS Bell. Gold Plated. 6 3/8 bell. Nice Condition. $150 plus shipping

This is an LM Old "Standard" TIS bell section from the 1910s. The J-tube is in good shape. There's some discoloration to the gold wash inside the bell, and two 1/2" square spots where bumpers in the case wore off the gold plate, but it's in good shape for its age. I tried it out with a '30s LM TIS s...
by doctortrombone
Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:05 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
Topic: WTB: Olds 21
Replies: 17
Views: 812

Re: WTB: Olds 21

I have an Olds 21, and it's a standard large shank taper. It goes into the receiver on my Opera exactly the same amount that a Bach large shank does. I pulled the leadpipe, and it looks like that was intentional. The leadpipe has an expanded section, and then a sudden reduction in diameter, right at...
by doctortrombone
Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:53 am
Forum: Music Business
Topic: Selling on Reverb?
Replies: 4
Views: 1322

Selling on Reverb?

Anyone have experience with selling trombones and such on Reverb? I'm getting tired of Ebay's gouging, but I'm concerned that Reverb doesn't offer seller protections in the way that Ebay.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ...used to.

Any feedback on this?

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