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Sorry I wasn't clear. I was speaking of the way of stretching out and forming the bell, not of flattening the seam. Yes the seam will widen when it's flattened of course, but uniformly from end to end a that's before the bell gets any expansion. When the bell is hammered out on an anvil / onto the m...

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That's interesting. I always welcome any new information I can get about the historical instruments. I have seen spin marks on sackbuts, like this one for example: http://collections.nmmusd.org/Brass/Trombones/4896Franck/4896FrancktrombonebellrimMachtJohannLG.jpg But that is 150 years after the Dre...

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To me it has nothing to do with the parts that are used actually. Yes a soprano trombone that is made with trumpet parts not designed to work as that setup is lazy, and it probably won't give as satisfactory results as using parts designed specifically for that purpose, but that's not the point. A b...

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Thanks for your interest. I'm attaching some pictures of the Drewelwecz tenor model. Yes, I have made some improvements to the design. I am trying as much as possible to build accurate representations of the originals. I have tweaked a few things slightly for the sake of intonation. Maximilian is r...

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Thanks for the suggestions, I like the sound of a harpsichord played on keyboard which could open up a lot more repertoire. I've had a bit more a trawl round youtube and absolutely love what this guy (and the other musicians) are doing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiXAPfTtssU That's for 2 violi...

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Just for the record because it's one of my pet peeves...to the risk of coming across as pedantic, a soprano trombone is not a slide trumpet. There have been a number of instruments that were equipped with some sort of slide, yet were still in essence trumpets. A soprano trombone is in essence a trom...

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Haven't had the chance to try them yet but I hear many good things from those who have, perhaps most importantly that his methods and the quality of the result have been refined over the last couple years and they are now even better than when he launched them. The price is very attractive, I would ...

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The trombone was invented around 1450, so the oldest method probably predates the 19th Century. In fact, there is some information on trombones in Praetorius' book. Yes and no. The idea of method book for specific instruments in a form that would be familiar to us, although not at all new (there ar...

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Nice! I knew I couldn't have been the first to have thought of a 36 with a Hagmann. Do you remember if it was a customization? (Side note: Bach didn't make a 36A did they?) Considering that the model numbers for their valves are "TTB42" for the large bores and "TTB36" for the medium (TTB for tenor ...

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harrisonreed wrote: ↑
Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:58 am
I pine for the old days and those flat rimmed, raw brass mouthpieces, and .430 bores.

You Mt. Vernon guys are playing on some crazy equipment.

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I wonder if there is much of cost difference between a conversion on a convertible versus non-convertible horns. Might be a little bit cheaper from not having to take the bell section apart but it'll still involve putting it together with the braces, receiver, neckpipe and carefully aligning all th...

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Maybe try horns with Hagmann valves first, as it depends very much on your physionomy and posture. It does however protrude less from the horn than a Thayer, and the linkage and axis rod protrude in the only direction where they can't possibly be in the way (as opposed to Thayers and traditional val...

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Actually, the nut on the tenon jont DOES affect playability. Primarily in situations where you need to make a lot of mute changes. You're right about the mute changes of course! I'd also hate to march a field show with one. I'd hope nobody here would take a 1930's King out marching! :horror: I pres...

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There's also just the question of why you would need it at all. There is no inherent reason why a trombone needs these. (In not saying it's wrong of modern trombones to have them, but they are not at all essential to the instrument being functional, and don't affect playability, so...)

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There are no customs duties between the US and Canada, as long as the item was made in one of the two countries. UPS et al will charge a customs clearance fee but USPS / Canada Post won't. The buyer will have to pay for the sales tax; I've most often had only the federal tax (a bit below 10%), occas...

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Yes, I could definitely tell the difference with the 12 over the 7c. Anything 6 1/2ish was awful; Might as well play on a garden hose and funnel. I have a pal with buckets of mouthpieces, so I’ll give some smaller pieces a try. [/quote] the horn seemed to like my Conn 12C. The Conn has a different ...

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These Jin Bao altos tend to be really good for the price. They were one of their very few brass instrument that Jin Bao nailed early on. Never going to be as mechanically perfect as a high quality brand, but they play well and aren't too hard to sound good on, especially if you want a brighter alto ...

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I haven't watched the whole video so I won't emit an opinion on his approach. But I think words matter and while I don't think corners should be loose, I also think "tight" is a potentially dangerous word to use with musicians. To me it implies tension. Yet the various parts of our body involved in ...

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It can make sense to have a cello on the continuo line when playing with harpsichord to offer more support to the bass line, but I'd say with piano, it's a little bit redundant and not really idiomatic. It's also tricky with baroque music written for trombone or cello or bassoon as a solo instrument...

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Raw almonds have cyanide - I only eat roasted almonds after I had a reaction. Peach pits have cyanide, too - though I doubt anyone would eat them. They used to do case hardening by packing steel parts in ground peach pits and "soaking" in a hot furnace. Yup, that whole family of fruits (almonds, pe...

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I play raw brass mouthpieces tested by their maker and containing between 2 and 5% lead, which apparently is standard for stock brass cylinders because it makes turning on a lathe easier. I wouldn't quite call that "trace" amount since it's a significant ratio of lead and it is introduced on purpose...

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Concert today went quite well! Had some trouble with too much water collecting too fast in the slide trumpet (it's a long piece with no rests long enough to empty the instrument - and it doesn't have a water key) which for some reason was worse today than usual. It was also my first concert playing ...

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Look at the writings of Herbert Heyde (books, articles, also catalogues of museums' brass instrument collections), he is pretty much the most reknowned specialist of brass instrument organology. Also a recent book for the early days of the trombone : Hannes VEREECKE, The Sixteenth-Century Trombone: ...

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A sharper edge at the start of the throat could definitely cause an airy/fuzzy sound. Sackbut mouthpieces have no curvature at all into the throat, and it's very easy to inadvertently sound airy on them. I was just about to point that out. A sharp throat will tend to give a more airy sound. For sac...

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Just finished my group's application for a major international competition, fingers crossed! Had big rehearsals the last couple days and still need to practice over the weekend for a concert next week playing early 16th century music with a loud band of 2 cornetts, 1 bombard, 3 trombones. There's on...

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I agree the "off topic"/not trombone or music related discussions should have their place.

I also think this site really should have a "History" board. That was one of the most interesting section of the old site.

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Just my curiosity: does the demand for Cimbasso in an average large USA city satisfies the price of it? Even from Wessex it seems to be very expensive. No, it doesn't. Even a dedicated opera trombone doesn't get enough Cimbasso to justify buying one. The LA studio scene is another matter entirely. ...

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So that picture is with the slide extended. Very small positions. Very interesting but I think very impractical... but still very interesting. Short positions yes, but it's in F, so actually not that short. The question is more whether it's more practical to have a double slide, a long slide with a...

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norbie2018 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:55 pm
As I understand it, warmer sharper, colder flater.

Yes and string instruments go the other way (warmer = strings stretch and loose tension so they go flat while we go sharp), hence the difficulties of Orchestras playing in extreme weather.

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I don't see why it wouldn't fit, but if it didn't you might want to consider the bass case, which is actually shorter and more compact (and I think, lighter, not sure), at the expense of losing the in-bell mute carrying. Marcus Bonna also takes custom orders for at least certain types of cases (don'...

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As long as the instrument isn't damaged and has no wear on the inners, being 60 yrs old shouldn't matter. There are string instruments much older then that still being used today. And we are talking about instruments made from metal, not wood and glue. Actually, wood ages much better than metal and...

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Interesting! I'd be extremely curious to hear that. Just a little correction, it is most certainly not the first use of saxophone in an orchestra - the first known orchestral use is in Kastner's opera Le dernier roi de Juda (1844), which calls for a C bass. There are probably also a number of other ...

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Yeah, I bought an alto years ago from the Montreal branch, which doesn't (or didn't at the time) have a winds department. They had it sent from the home store for me to try it. Look on Kijiji and other classifieds... Also once you start college, you'll meet more players; fellow students, amateurs, p...

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Where are you located / going to university? Major cities in Canada should have no shortage of used instruments to choose from through other players, plus retail locations with both new and used/consignment instruments available (Long and McQuade in Toronto and Twigg in Montreal are the big ones)

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Osmun Brass actually made one of these for Doug Yeo some time ago. Used two Bach 50 slides and a custom bell section. Was in Eb. I think it got 9 positions on the double slide. They were showing it off one day I happened to be there and they let me toot on it. Except for the Bartok Gliss I wasn't s...

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Osmun Brass actually made one of these for Doug Yeo some time ago. Used two Bach 50 slides and a custom bell section. Was in Eb. I think it got 9 positions on the double slide. They were showing it off one day I happened to be there and they let me toot on it. Except for the Bartok Gliss I wasn't s...

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Could you please point me to 1st trombone parts that actually need the valve? Thank you. There are a few examples of parts that can't be played without valve unless you take out some notes (granted, they are rare). For example, Mahler 3 has a low Db in all parts. Then there are many more examples w...

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...some 1st trombone parts do actually need (or is facilitated by) the valve. ... Could you please point me to 1st trombone parts that actually need the valve? Thank you. There are a few examples of parts that can't be played without valve unless you take out some notes (granted, they are rare). Fo...

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Too good to be true, no, because it's probably not very good and probably worth exactly what the price is, that is to say not much. That's clearly a Chinese stencil instrument. Looks like a Yamaha 613 clone.

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What do you play on tenor?

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Also, you can't change only the throat size while leaving the cup volume unchanged without affecting tuning. With all other parameters being unchanged, a tighter throat (and thus a smaller backbore inner volume) would typically make lower partials sharp and upper partials flat.

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There are lots of times where a smaller tenor can be an advantage in orchestra. One time I brought my 1925 Olds (TIS) when we were playing Sibelius 2nd Symphony. There are some areas where the trombones have to blend with horns and tuba and I discovered that the blend with the horns was really bett...

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I'm a bit surprised that price has not yet been mentioned. I suppose an added 500 or 1000 USD is not that big of a deal for many people, but if you have a limited amount of money to spend (which most of us have), then buying a straight horn instead of a horn with an F attachment would probably allo...

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The thing is, having an F attachment is absolutely necessary for a lot of the playing an orchestral trombonist (or an aspiring one) does. When you play 2nd, when you play solos...some 1st trombone parts do actually need (or is facilitated by) the valve. So, every orchestral trombonist's main axe has...

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Well, well.... My opinion is that music for trombone in Bb treble clef is an abomination, and should be abolished once and for all. :clever: Agree. And I would go one step further. Abolish all the other clefs we read in, and write everything on the piano great staff (you can print one staff if that...

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I support the "put it in the bank" and wait suggestion. You have a very good instrument already that can last you through college without any problem. A lot of people who get a new horn at the point you're at end up changing after just a couple years. Also, there's a few big caveats to the fancy bra...

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LeTromboniste gave a nice evaluation of the Nartiss. Don't remember if it was on TTF, here before the reorg, or current. Net was that it was better than a "hackbut" and the Wessex, and not the worst sackbut he ever played, but not very competent. Certainly not good enough to try to play in a seriou...

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As a customer, I absolutely hate when merchants ship with UPS, FedEx, etc. I always request public postal services (I.e. USPS for items from the US). Private carriers have hidden fees/surcharge that they charge the recipient upon delivery, which they usually disguise as "customs clearance fees" (tha...

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People have to get over the small bore. The fact they used smaller bores in earlier times doesn't mean they weren't able to make a good sound. They knew how to not make their instrument sound like a "dentist's drill". I have a couple of turn off the century tenors that are extremely small. Trust me,...

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I do get amused a bit about statements talking about the differences between great musical technicians vs. true musicians. If we are talking about composers, yes, I get the assertions. But claiming performing technicians are not fully capable of being able to understand and appreciate the music is ...

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