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Yikes. I wouldn't pay $1200 USD for a Webb. You can order a brand new instrument from Brad Close in California for $2500 USD and it'll be carefully built using historical techniques, and definitely worth the difference in price while staying in the relatively affordable range. Gary Nagels in Quebec ...

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If you're not using the straps you can just tighten them so they sit flat against the back of the case. I think there are good reasons why they are permanently attached to the case. Having them riveted to the bag over a large surface puts much less stress on that area of the bag (and the seams) than...

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The John Webb sackbuts are very inconsistenc. As John was himself. Sometimes good sometimes not so good. The best ones is not as good as Egger of course. I have heard som beautiful playing on a Giardinelli bass, tough it is not realy a sackbut. For a good price the Webb can be ok, just try first. A...

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I would say they are nowhere near a Meinl or Egger. Lesser build quality (all those I've seen or tried had had repairs or would have needed some), more compromised towards modern trombone. They are heavier built, and feel much more stuffy and tubby than more recent and higher end sackbuts, with a da...

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A few more ideas (plus broadening up the scope, because there's too much good trombone playing that is neither jazz nor "classical", which most often is taken to mean more strictly orchestral and/or solo from the orchestral and conservatory tradition) Tenor trombone Jorgen van Rijen, a fantastic tro...

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BGuttman wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:58 am
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I like that *something* got passed. I'd like to see a more comprehensive overview of the law, meant specifically for musicians to read, instead of the simplified news reel blurbs. Yeah, same here. Although I won't be affected by it (except if it bleeds through to future similar laws north of the bo...

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This weekend I did a tour with the wonderful "Torgny Hansson Wind Orchestra to Tranås in the south of Sweden. Tomorrow starts a two day vacation. To be able to do a two day cruise to Finland where I'm playing rock/pop/soul with a big band. We will leave at 3 pm Monday and will return at 3 pm Tuesda...

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Not a musical story per se but...en route to my gig today, was quite an adventure. Headed to the meeting point in France with my gear without knowing if everything would fit in the car. Turned out, through an epic game of real-life 3D Tetris, we managed to fit : -one organ+bench in their travel ches...

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I encounter treble clef mainly in two ways. One is at a gig or a jam session, where someone has a piano chart but nothing in treble clef. The other is in instruction books, where the musical examples and exercises are almost always written in treble clef. This sounds like two instances where you sh...

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Sincere thank for all the great comments above. I get the idea of the middle C ledger line connecting the bass and treble clef staffs, and thus the idea of the big grid. But I’m confused by how to figure octaves into all this. Here’s what I mean: The C one line above the bass clef staff is the same...

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Is the high Bb real? I'm looking at an original score on IMSLP and dont' see a high Bb in mvt 1 There's definitely a Bb in mvmt 1. Rehearsal mark F or 11 in the scores I have here (one of them is a print from the IMSLP soviet band score you refer to). Hi all, In Tuesday I have to participate in a c...

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Choose a note, and start the first day playing exercices on that note and the notes immediately above and below it, then the next day go one note further in both directions, and the next one another. After only 5 days you'll have an octave and a half where you're fairly comfortable. Start to play si...

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There is one more, Mozart's first opera (sacred opera actually,and he only wrote the first part, but still) Die Schuldigkeit des ersten gebots . No section writing, but a beautiful aria with trombone obbligato, in the Viennese baroque tradition (Fux, Caldara, Ziani et al.). As noted by Jim, the Vesp...

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I only have the straight tenor though. Should I assume that the very low notes below C are being played as pedal harmonics of notes that are in the range of the slide and F attachment? I don't have much problem with reach. Second space C on my tenor is a note I play very frequently and in the avera...

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This week (concert tomorrow), a project of fun but not so easy 17th century polychoral music from Italian composers who worked outside of Italy - playing bass sackbut. Some of my parts are in sub-bass clef and I'm just generally hanging out in the low range, with parts full of low Ds and Cs with a f...

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harrisonreed wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:40 pm
It was also recorded by Lindberg on tenor. The piece is completely playable on a tenor with F attachment.

Yes true, also Alain Trudel and I'm sure others as well.

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Well, a few things here. It's not scored for Bass trombone, merely for "Trombone". The range is also a bit wider than you have written, it actually goes up to G above middle C. All the notes are playable on a single rotor Bb/F instrument, and that is what it was written for. The second rotor on bass...

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Interestingly, trombone used to be interchangeable in some contexts with the cello's predecessors as the bass string instrument. A lot of 17th century chamber repertoire is scored for "trombone or viol". The earliest known solo piece for trombone is actually for "trombone ó violone". There was of co...

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If you want to hear Gabrieli and other Renaissance/baroque brass music played with a bit more sensibility and care for the style, you might want to look at the Concerto Palatino albums. Quite different from all the "classic" recordings listed above.

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Dark is good, bright is good, being able to have both colors and everything in between is best. Now about your equipment, choose what works for you, not what the companies market as "sounding darker". That being said, is that a typo in your OP? You meant Yamaha YSL-882O or YBL-822? One is a tenor, t...

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As for how to play, I don’t think imitating vocal syllables is practical on modern instruments. Although there are instances where you should let the articulation help dictate the color used. I believe the most important aspect of trombone colla parte is to help provide clarity to the vocal lines. ...

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Sounds like Caecilia-Concert! Or the album Lindberg did a few years ago. How do you get by without another violin and a bassoon? No need for a second violin or a bassoon since we already have two trebles (cornetto and violin) and a tenor/bass instrument (me). We can of course add one or a few guest...

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I'm sure a lot of the smaller production workshops can do it as a custom job. But is that because you specifically really want to keep it as a screw bell or just because you figure a flare should be cheaper than a whole bell? If the latter, then forget about it. It's just as easy to make a whole bel...

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Please let me apologize in advance for this off-topic excursion, but since this is being brought up..... Hmm. LeTrombonist. I miiiight stand corrected, buuuut if in doubt I believe the speech from the old master himself. My Faksimile print of Prarorius states on page 31 ."Gemeine rechte Posaune, dar...

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Studiyng Trevor Herberts good book on Trombone history, Appendix1 Surviving instruments from before 1800, places all tenor trombones up to 1619 (and almost all later) in Bb, most basses in F and Eb, a few i G. The first tenor not in Bb in this list is a 1677 Paul Heinlein in C. (!!!) Although there...

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In old days (since Pretorious) the tenor was in Bb and the bass in F. Making a Bb/F puts the valve positions in the well-know Bass F places. That's actually incorrect, in the time of Praetorius, tenors were in A (crookable to G) and basses were in a variety of pitches, including G and F, but "true"...

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Why F? Because that's how it's been since the start of trombone attachments. There have been F attachments for almost 175 years. Historical reasons aside, it just works and has very few tradeoffs compared to other tunings. It's closely related enough to Bb while offering nice alternative positions i...

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I've gotten a ton of great deals from eBay and Craigslist. I haven't been let down once yet. From eBay: My first trombone (and first instrument of any kind I bought myself) - a Holton 66 Galaxy for $90 Flugabone - $67 Mellophonium - $100 Frumpet - $110 Cornet - $120 Trumpet (now sold) - $160 C trum...

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So I thought earlier this summer to start this thread but then completely forgot. Buying horns on eBay (and buying blind in general) can lead to disappointment, it can also lead to great surprises. The idea of this thread is to share stories or info about the particularly good (or particularly horri...

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If the charge is legitimate, he will pay. Except that has been proven wrong time and time again. Sexual abuse accusations very rarely lead to prosecution, let alone conviction. Can you back up this ascertain with stats, because I don't think you're correct. I don't know stats from pan-american stud...

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BassBoneFL wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:06 pm
If the charge is legitimate, he will pay.

Except that has been proven wrong time and time again. Sexual abuse accusations very rarely lead to prosecution, let alone conviction.

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harrisonreed wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:51 pm
Thanks, Maximilien! Is Melk IIRC the Melk Abbey?

Sorry that was confusing. Edited.

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Michael Haydn - Concertino for horn, trombone and orchestra is from the Serenade in D major, P87/MH86 (4th and 5th movements / pages 23 to 55 of 91 - and the designation "Concertino" is original). It exists as an autograph score. Location : Music collection, National Széchényi Library, Budapest Cat...

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The slide crook is the same for bass and tenor, like the original Bach crooks. 42s have a .562 slide crook by default.

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I believe the tenorbass name came from the fact that tenors used to be in Bb and basses used to be in F, thus it is a tenorbass. But I could be wrong about why they chose that particular name. Close. The term tenorbass actually predates the F valve on a Bb trombone. Early basses were in all sorts o...

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Even in the 20th century, you still find brass mouthpieces with ivory rims. Olds offered that option, among others.

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Wow, interesting material for a mouthpiece. Where some historical mouthpieces made of cowhorn? How does it sound on the bass trombone? Haven't tried it on trombone yet, and wouldn't use it for that anyway. But sounds great on the ophicleide. Nice compact sound with lots of core and clear articulati...

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Newest addition to my ever-growing cabinet of curiosities...a brand new mouthpiece made from a large piece of cow horn! It's for ophicleide, but could very well be used for bass trombone. Not an exact copy of anything, but based on descriptions and measurements from 19th century treatises and museum...

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In sessions with my new group recording demo materials. Video and promo pictures two days ago, audio yesterday and again today. The line up is one cornetto, one violin (who's playing a gorgeous 1684 Matthias Albani!), one trombone, and harpsichord (or organ when we have access to one). All very good...

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They seem to produce mainly by hand, but including CNC machinery in their workshop and they advertise a rotary valve they have designed, though without specifics of what is different with it. They also seem to produce a lot of tuning slides as aftermarket products for different brands. Their valve ...

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About that finale, Claudio Abbado had the great idea (or perhaps he took it from someone else) of asking his Lucerne festival brass section to cover their bells with loose pieces of cloth for the soft brass chorale in order to sound more distant. We tried it as well when I played that piece and in t...

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I personally think it sounds too heavy with two basses. The only one I would do with two basses is the 6th, because it's actually written that way, as a 3-part section with an added bass in the last movement (although in an ideal world it would actually be a smallish bass on the 3rd part and a contr...

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Yes. If they want large bore, there's no inherent problem in that, especially if they are given to the older/more advanced kids, but there are many large bore horns that are easier to step up to than 42s.

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It's definitely a good idea to write the text and try to articulate like a singer and not an orchestral trombone player. Keep in mind that trombone players were very used to doubling choirs back then and in many cases probably didn't have dedicated trombone parts but actually read from a (texted) vo...

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I got my own 42 (BO at the time) in grade 10. Nothing too bad happened to it. Of course I was serious about studying music and careful and it was my own instrument, so it might be very different when it's school-owned instruments that are handled by kids who don't care. Although in my school there w...

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Regarding the upside-down saxophone mouthpiece : I saw the "Carabinieri" Band [Policeman's Band] from Rome, Italy way back in the 60's and most of their single reed players had their mouthpieces positioned "Upside-Down" ! Was it a normal Italian method ? Chalumeau and early clarinets were played wi...

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This Romantic French trombone ... What a stunning instrument. I can see why you were interested! Do you know anything about it? Year built/used; size of bore, bell, etc.; where/how it was used (orchestra, opera, chamber, ...)? The bell is inscribed "E De Tarade", which lead me to think it was built...

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This Romantic French trombone, which I only spotted a few days after it sold (for probably quite a bit above its actual value). If anyone knows the person who bought it........ https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e40c2d_a5e3fe1d31f74d74918cc4be39067c2d~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_980,h_268,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0...

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People think it's the mouthpiece that makes it sound wrong but I think it's 95% how you play it - same with sackbut in my opinion. If you try to play any smaller instrument the way you play a larger instrument, it will sound wrong and bad. Play it as what it is and it will be fine. And the alto int...

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