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by LeTromboniste
Mon May 13, 2019 1:57 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: 1920s 6/6H
Replies: 1
Views: 111

Re: 1920s 6/6H

Should be somewhat similar to later 6H I think. Bore would be .500. Bell I'm not sure. It wasn't atypical of Conn models at the time to have several bell size options. It was considered one of their "Symphony" models. Expect unplated nickel silver inners with soldered on stockings (trombotine works ...
by LeTromboniste
Sun May 12, 2019 6:19 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: T-minus two days and counting ...
Replies: 6
Views: 317

Re: T-minus two days and counting ...

The tromboneforum death anniversary?
by LeTromboniste
Sun May 12, 2019 7:14 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Is .547 a catch-all?
Replies: 33
Views: 1148

Re: Is .547 a catch-all?

I attribute that to the supremacy of winning a symphony job as the only professional outcome being truly presented as a valid "endgame" goal for classical trombonists in many circles and conservatories and schools. This leads to a sound concept for many trombonists that fits in the little box that w...
by LeTromboniste
Sat May 11, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Trombone for Rossini Stabat Mater
Replies: 5
Views: 300

Re: Trombone for Rossini Stabat Mater

What was used in France at the time: very tiny Bb trombones, nothing like German instruments of the same period. Closer to a sackbut than to a modern trombone, really Here is a French trombone from ca. 1810. Notice the flare of the bell, or lack thereof. The bell is 119mm or 4,685 inches! https://co...
by LeTromboniste
Wed May 08, 2019 10:00 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Gabrieli / Susato
Replies: 4
Views: 192

Re: Gabrieli / Susato

We had the rehearsal last night and it the Gabrieli was a lot trickier than expected. It turns out two of the choirs (each four parts) will be in side rooms with very limited vision. Relying on listening to the other groups for timing didn’t work great due to delay and echo. The best solution we fo...
by LeTromboniste
Mon May 06, 2019 6:59 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Gabrieli / Susato
Replies: 4
Views: 192

Re: Gabrieli / Susato

For the Susato, can be very useful to look up videos of people dancing pavanes. Knowing how the steps of the dance go (it's an simple dance and easy to follow) can help a lot to have a good conception of the tempo and of the phrasing. In this piece, in the final bit with all the repeated 16th notes ...
by LeTromboniste
Mon May 06, 2019 6:46 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Gabrieli / Susato
Replies: 4
Views: 192

Re: Gabrieli / Susato

I would advise finding good recordings on period instruments like the ones you posted (and avoiding modern brass ensemble recordings of your goal is to reach for a more historical style) of these pieces but also of other similar repertoire in general, to get a sense of the style and paying attention...
by LeTromboniste
Thu May 02, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Ecoll trombone
Replies: 10
Views: 273

Re: Ecoll trombone

Current bid is about 120 USD.... That's on the low side (for now) but not an uncommon price range to pay for that type of instruments (although with the valve and particularly the convertible valve they tend to go for more) on German eBay or classifieds sites. I just got one quite similar to this, ...
by LeTromboniste
Thu May 02, 2019 3:00 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Ecoll trombone
Replies: 10
Views: 273

Re: Ecoll trombone

Typical German style (which includes Bohemia, Austria, Poland) trombone. The case is also typical. It's very hard to identify and date these, as there has been countless small workshops making them from the mid-late 19th century until today. Many have no makers mark, and many only have the retailer ...
by LeTromboniste
Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:46 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Editions of Mozart's Requiem
Replies: 20
Views: 362

Re: Editions of Mozart's Requiem

Interesting. So what does it mean for historical informed performances? Shouldn't we approach historical informed performances with the same flexibility. That is, shouldn't there be historical informed performances with the bassoons taking over the trombone parts or the tuba mirum being played with...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:00 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

Without an exterior reference (i.e. having either the bass line or the roots of all chords follow a set scale), the pitch drifts like crazy. For example, with the chord progression G-D-Am-C-G, if everybody just plays in tune without anyone having the role of holding the scale, you will end up 22 ce...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Editions of Mozart's Requiem
Replies: 20
Views: 362

Re: Editions of Mozart's Requiem

Some Vienna composers with works featuring the trombone: Albrechtsberger, Wagenseil, Fux, Bertali, ... ... Caldara, F. & I. Conti, Dolar (Tolar), Draghi, Gluck, J. Haydn (his brother M. Haydn also liked trombones, but was active in Salzburg), Leopold Hofmann, Pachschmidt, Pasterwiz, Porsile, Reinha...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:13 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

Wasn't trying to offend you. I honestly didn't feel like I was communicating my point to you, so I was trying to explain it. No offense taken, we're just all talking about the same thing and yet not making our points clear xD Doesn't help that what we're talking about doesn't really have a name. Ju...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Finding the custom horn for me
Replies: 88
Views: 2881

Re: Finding the custom horn for me

But nobody said don't try horns or don't buy a better horn if you feel you need an upgrade. What we all said is maybe the "be all, end all" ideal should be revised, and that it's probably a better idea at this point not to waste money on an expensive roadtrip which in the big picture will have serve...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Finding the custom horn for me
Replies: 88
Views: 2881

Re: Finding the custom horn for me

Nowhere in there was he granted the possibility of being an exceptional player who knows exactly what he wants. I have personally heard 19 year olds play at a level that puts 95% of experienced players to shame, and for all any of us know the OP plays on the level. Except you don't grant the possib...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:22 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

Yes, tempering chords within 12TET will sound nice and in tune (again, musicians should just hear those intervals and do it subconsciously) but that isn't really JI. In JI, there is an infinite cycle of fifths where your C=0 will be a different C when you make the journey back to it. That's why you...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:52 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

Of course every orchestral trombonist lowers (whether it's a historic of modern orchestra) their 3rds and play triads as close to pure as possible when playing in whatever temperament Not just triads - all chords, as in this chart: f95d5a96cfda78c36a5f74b345c986bf.jpg This is what professional musi...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:05 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Marcus Bonna Cases
Replies: 2
Views: 201

Re: Marcus Bonna Cases

I have a vague memory that someone tested MB trumpet cases by dropping them a few floors and that the cases were intact and the trumpets inside completely smashed. I guess a case could be made that a case shouldn't be too indestructible, the same way cars don't have steel bumpers anymore. I was once...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:34 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

Your knowledge of early music is way beyond what I've learned. But surely Mozart was using his (then) modern 12TET piano-forte to compose and perform? Two questions : 1) Do we know for a fact that his piano was tuned in 12TET? I'm not a specialist of fortepianos or of Mozart biography, I really don...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:07 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

Back on topic of high Ab, yes German trombones usually have long springs and some have enough room to get a good Ab in 1st, yet not all do. And before that, you see 17th century sources that say 1st position is "two finger widths" out (3-4 cm), but you don't find that Ab or G in first on position ch...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:52 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

Mozart was composing for 12-TET. Wouldn't be so definitive. I'm sure not every organ in Vienna, let alone smaller towns around was in 12-TET in Mozart's time - there were a number of "well- tempered" tunings aside from equal temperament in the 18th and 19th century and organs in meantone that were ...
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:40 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

Guys...guys. I'm not talking about playing a just intonation scale, I'm simply referring to the practice of altering chord tones to make chords sound more sonorous, which all professional musicians that I know or know of (excepting those who play fixed pitch or pitchless instruments) do as a matter...
by LeTromboniste
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:13 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Editions of Mozart's Requiem
Replies: 20
Views: 362

Re: Editions of Mozart's Requiem

Here's an important term to know: colla parte Also trombone was always "huge" in certain areas of Europe and not-so-big in others. In Salzburg, where Mozart came from, it was still very popular and there was a stable of very good players. Vienna, on the other hand, was a different story. Quite to t...
by LeTromboniste
Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:26 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

It arpeggiates a Dom. 7 chord, so in just intonation the Ab should be 31 cents flat, right? "should"? That's open to debate. I mean, if you're playing in just intonation as a tuning system, yes sure. But you can't play Mozart in "just intonation". It can be nice when everything is pure within the c...
by LeTromboniste
Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:52 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: High Ab unstable
Replies: 69
Views: 1744

Re: High Ab unstable

I'm no barock trombone player but the fact a barock trombone is built differently and has no lead pipe might make some positions line up differently compared to a modern trombone. It may or may not help an Ab in first, maybe someone who knows about this could provide information in the thread? Trie...
by LeTromboniste
Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:16 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calculations for Bb slides of C horn
Replies: 2
Views: 144

Re: Calculations for Bb slides of C horn

The C=8' and Bb=9' are theoretical, "ideal" values. The ratio between the bore and the length of tubing will change the pitch somewhat (if I recall correctly, for an equal length of tubing, a smaller bore will slightly lower the pitch, a larger bore will raise it), as will conicity. There in the bel...
by LeTromboniste
Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: History of legato playing on the trombone
Replies: 20
Views: 852

Re: History of legato playing on the trombone

That's why I just took out a tape rule and measured the length of the inner slide from the bottom of the stockings to the brace with which you hold the slide of one of my 1920th Kruspe Weschke trombones. I think this is the relevant measurement as this distance influences the subjective feeling of ...
by LeTromboniste
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Custom CNC Mouthpiece Makers?
Replies: 22
Views: 832

Re: Custom CNC Mouthpiece Makers?

Is there a way to cast a mouthpiece without damaging it so you could graph a cross section? Silicone compounds used by dentists to make negative imprints of patients' teeth (and then used to cast a plaster positive copy) are also commonly used by makers of reproductions of historical instruments. M...
by LeTromboniste
Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:49 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: History of legato playing on the trombone
Replies: 20
Views: 852

Re: History of legato playing on the trombone

Mmkay. I'm still not sure what your point is. If heavier and raw brass slides didn't allow to play fast or smooth, then how do you explain the large repertoire of highly virtuosic music for trombone (and indeed some for bass, which certainly has am undeniably heavy slide) that we have from the 17th ...
by LeTromboniste
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Custom CNC Mouthpiece Makers?
Replies: 22
Views: 832

Re: Custom CNC Mouthpiece Makers?

harrisonreed wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:34 pm
In this case, it wouldn't be a subtractive process. The Alessi rim is wider than the thin Bousfield rim.
Ah yes I see!
by LeTromboniste
Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Custom CNC Mouthpiece Makers?
Replies: 22
Views: 832

Re: Custom CNC Mouthpiece Makers?

I'm curious, for a one-off mouthpiece, wouldn't be easier and cheaper to just bring the mouthpiece you want altered to a good craftsman that can do the job for you on a regular lathe? Is there a particular reason you want the design to be computer encoded?
by LeTromboniste
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Finding the custom horn for me
Replies: 88
Views: 2881

Re: Finding the custom horn for me

My experience with makers in Europe is they are typically much smaller operations than in the US, and they are very welcoming of people stopping by (best with an appointment of course) to try instruments and visit the workshop. The market here tends to be a lot more based on direct sales from the ma...
by LeTromboniste
Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:51 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: what we MUST do in the States
Replies: 19
Views: 684

Re: what we MUST do in the States

For San Francisco, lots of suggestions above already. I'll add that again if you're outdoorsy people, there are really great yet not too strenuous hikes just outside of the city. Marin Headlands is nice and accessible, just across the Golden Gate, but a bit hot if sunny, with little cover. Or there'...
by LeTromboniste
Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:45 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: what we MUST do in the States
Replies: 19
Views: 684

Re: what we MUST do in the States

Not a huge fan of LA, everything is just too spread out to really have any efficiency in seeing various things. I guess just driving around will get you a big portion of the "LA experience", for better or worse! If you spend some time downtown and if you like books, make sure you stop by The Last Bo...
by LeTromboniste
Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:35 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Schiller Instruments
Replies: 4
Views: 229

Re: Schiller Instruments

Those are stencil Chinese-made instruments, they are the same as every other "store brand" - of you walk into an instrument store chances are they have a bunch of them with their own brand's logo on it. Most of them come from the same manufacturer too. There can be differences in the quality control...
by LeTromboniste
Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:59 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Finding the custom horn for me
Replies: 88
Views: 2881

Re: Finding the custom horn for me

Some wise advice above that's worth listening to. You just started college and as much as that feels like you're getting closer, it's actually likely that you're still only about halfway between the day you first started playing trombone and the day you'll be starting a career. You *might* get a hor...
by LeTromboniste
Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Edwards vs Shires
Replies: 56
Views: 3770

Re: Edwards vs Shires

I have to lighten the tension here. It's been a while, but I just saw this. I feel like people beat up on these posts without unpacking them first. As long as the instrument isn't damaged and has no wear on the inners, being 60 yrs old shouldn't matter . There are string instruments much older then...
by LeTromboniste
Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:13 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Double Pedals
Replies: 20
Views: 743

Re: Double Pedals

Cool thanks! Just curious, what's the next partial down then? There is none, the pedal note is the fundamental of whatever length of tubing your blowing into, which is by definition the lowest note that can create a standing wave in that length of tubing. Of course you can buzz lower notes and some...
by LeTromboniste
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Relacquer or strip lacquer?
Replies: 5
Views: 357

Re: Relacquer or strip lacquer?

If you want the horn shiny or shiny-ish, I probably wouldn't bother relacquering. If you like the look of a raw brass bell with patina, then that probably looks nicer than lacquer that's starting to wear away. I personally wouldn't switch to minibals. The original Bach joint is actually much quieter...
by LeTromboniste
Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:22 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: History of legato playing on the trombone
Replies: 20
Views: 852

Re: History of legato playing on the trombone

My assumption is based on my own experience. I play exclusively on Kruspe Weschkes from the 1920th. I got four of them, all in excellent conditions. They are all original except that two have chromed inner slides and two have raw brass slides. The slides are all excellent but the chromed inner slid...
by LeTromboniste
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:29 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: History of legato playing on the trombone
Replies: 20
Views: 852

Re: History of legato playing on the trombone

How would have legato been played during the baroque or classic eras? In what sense, would a modern trained trombonist who buys a modern copy of a baroque trombone be able to play historically correct legato? I believe most trombonists of baroque or classic eras played the trombone just as “side”-i...
by LeTromboniste
Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Ken Shifrin: PhD about alto trombone
Replies: 5
Views: 429

Re: Ken Shifrin: PhD about alto trombone

Just a caveat that a 20 year-old dissertation should be taken with a grain of salt and might not completely reflect the current state of knowledge or understanding. For instance there has been much debate among trombone scholars in the years since (and to this day) on the use of alto trombones in th...
by LeTromboniste
Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:33 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Pull to E
Replies: 23
Views: 975

Re: Pull to E

The ability to pull to E has nothing to do with the wrap shape or width. It is purely a function of hiw long are the telescoping slide tubes. Case in point, both Conn 88 and 72 have a full E pull, but Bach 42 and 50 do not, even though they both feature similar traditional closed wrap. The open wra...
by LeTromboniste
Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:35 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Pull to E
Replies: 23
Views: 975

Re: Pull to E

Most open wraps won't pull to E - the width of the wrap of the valve tubing in open wrap means that generally the length is reduced. The old Conns had a line etched in the F attachment tuning slide to show where it became an E attachment. I can pull the tuning slide on my thayer valve enough to get...
by LeTromboniste
Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:42 pm
Forum: Music Business
Topic: "Student" Rate
Replies: 15
Views: 696

Re: "Student" Rate

It's one thing to offer less to a group of students than you'd offer to a group of established professionals for a gig as a group, or for students to be more flexible with their minimum rate and accept work that is paid less; that's just normal and to be fair, students need cheap gigs that better qu...
by LeTromboniste
Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:27 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Wessex Tenor Sackbut?
Replies: 6
Views: 295

Re: Wessex Tenor Sackbut?

I've recently had a chance again to spend a few minutes on one and it was quite a bit better than the previous ones I had tried (on which there was no way to make sound remotely like a sackbut - this one did without *too* much effort and when using a really historical mouthpiece). It did change my o...
by LeTromboniste
Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Drilling holes in bass trombone mutes
Replies: 24
Views: 1162

Re: Drilling holes in bass trombone mutes

An alternative to drilling a hole on the H&B cup to get those low Ab and G working is to cover about 40% of the entrance to the mute with a piece of duct tape!
by LeTromboniste
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:54 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bach 42 expo find
Replies: 15
Views: 1010

Re: Bach 42 expo find

Yikes! 35$ for the installation, sure. But 65$ for a traditional water key kit is a joke. You can get a fancy Saturn or Pollard for 40$ which is already expensive for a water key...

Edit : wait, I just got that 35 is also for hardware, not for installation. 100$ for a waterkey. Whoa.
by LeTromboniste
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:47 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Romera Lassalle sackbut mouthpiece on modern alto
Replies: 6
Views: 331

Re: Romera Lassalle sackbut mouthpiece on modern alto

Hello LeTromboniste, can you tell me, which change it will makes, if i let make a softer transition from the cup to the V shaped section. Like on the pic below? https://i.imgur.com/OtIGBEW.jpg What happens when the throat is rounded is you get more core to the sound and more projection, and reduce ...
by LeTromboniste
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:47 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Romera Lassalle sackbut mouthpiece on modern alto
Replies: 6
Views: 331

Re: Romera Lassalle sackbut mouthpiece on modern alto

I've used an Egger "classical" alto mouthpiece in a modern alto to good results (that mouthpiece really isn't very historical, everything is quite rounded, but the cup is much more hemispherical and less V-shaped than modern mouthpiece. It gave a really nice bright but warm and resonant sound).

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