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It's just following an older, outdated notation convention (which wasn't older or outdated in Rochut's time) for tuplets in compound meters.

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If I ever go back to playing more modern trombone and I get myself a bass, I would almost certainly look for a Benge 290 (or maybe Yahama 613). My experience is they are easier to play than a lot of horns, and easy to color with different sounds. Also, I like to use two mouthpieces on bass and choos...

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Placing your phone with the speaker against a sound-reflective surface (e.g. phone placed on a solid music stand, with the speaker facing into the stand rather than outwards) helps a lot. If that doesn't work, then a good analog metronome plugged into speakers won't have the same delay issues as a p...

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Just look at the German eBay site and eBay-Kleinanzeigen (equivalent to Craigslist) and you'll find that instruments like that are not rare at all and sell for usually much cheaper than this (you will see some for sale at a similar price, but if you look regularly you'll find that they never still a...

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Thank you Howard! It's a big pet peeve of mine that we use "cimbasso" to designate the wrong instrument I.e. valve contras and the confusion that ensues, seeing so many tubists switch to modern cimbasso/valve contra for parts originally written for bass horn or ophicleide, and thinking they are bein...

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The Cimbasso is a tuba double, and is not a substitute for a bass trombone. This is borne out by historical use of valved bass trombones and cimbassos in conjunction. I agree with you that a cimbasso is not really a suitable substitute for a bass trombone in most modern settings. But regarding the ...

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Thanks. So, the trombone Sousa wrote for was likely a .500 bore (or less). Smaller even. Very popular horns at the time seem to have been the "small" and "medium" bore models that later became the 2H (Pryor played one of those) at .458" and the 4H at.485". Both were available with 6.5" or 7" bell.

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This weekend is Mozart Vesperae de Confessore at a=430, beautiful cast of soloists, okay choir, and quite good pick-up period instruments orchestra. Tonight is in a really cool late 20's Art Deco church with just the rug amount of kitsch! I keep forgetting and then being surprised everytime I play o...

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I agree with Harrison here. Even the most tenor-y alto will stick out of the blend and texture in a way that doesn't work in a band setting, and you won't be gaining much in terms of ergonomics. Quite frankly, you'd stick out less with a pBone than with an alto

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A few things spring to mind. 1. You have to practice doing this sort of thing cold. A former teacher of mine used to leave a trombone on a stand in the middle of his house, and he'd play Bolero every time he walked past it. Sometimes, it would be 3 times in a minute. Other times, it would be hours ...

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timothy42b wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:05 am
It's new technology. Give it a few years, it will come down to the price of high end brass.

You mean the instruments or the materials?

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Study the score in addition to your own part and/or follow along with a score during rehearsals. Knowing the piece itself and not just your notes doesn't just negate the need to count rests, it also gives you so much more understanding of how the piece as a whole is built and how your part functions...

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Try searching with alternative spellings. I.e. Bruns. He was trombonist of the Kapelle of Dresden from 1861 to 1892. One of his sons became principal trombone there in 1901, and stayed until WW2. He did apparently play the David at the Gewandhaus in 1873 (the year of David's death), but I don't find...

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I will have to disagree here. A large BBb tuba all the way! That is the sound you want! Immediate ease of playing is not the criterion to use, IMO. That is very subjective. From a listener and trombonist's point of view (I double on quite a few instruments but not tuba) I personally much prefer the...

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Yeah, Alexander always specialized in conical valved instruments. Their venture into trombone making was not very successful and I think their trombones never got close to being as good as those of the best German makers. They're well built but they sound and play...not very good. Basically traditio...

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I think it would be helpful for you to have more admins than just yourself, and I'm sure some members would be glad to help out with that. One suggestion I had would be to have a set of community rules / guidelines. Generally the tone of discussion is very good but occasionally I see agressive and u...

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Yes! I wholeheartedly support this shout out. Elam is a brilliant person with very deep knowledge, and his videos are so good at vulgarizing complex issues while remaining extremely well researched and documented. You say that almost like you've met the guy. :cool: What is his English accent? His b...

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Yes! I wholeheartedly support this shout out. Elam is a brilliant person with very deep knowledge, and his videos are so good at vulgarizing complex issues while remaining extremely well researched and documented. The videos are also a great example of how the early music movement approaches (or sho...

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... No, the clef is not convincing at all to me either. Especially since there are clef changes in some of those pieces (the Wagenseil, for instance, has bits in tenor clef), and since there is plenty of music (both earlier and later) that is also entirely in alto clef yet cannot possibly be meant ...

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I think the usual way to handle 415 on a sackbut reproduction is to use tuning bits or a 415 tuning slide. Is it that you can't recall if the orchestra was tuned a semitone lower? You said it was an early trombone competition. Were the contestants playing modern trombones or were they playing sackb...

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So we only listen to Celibidache pre the Conant spat ? How about Fritz Reiner and Chicago.... he was a nasty man.... we had better dump Wagner totally... he was dreadful.... there have been a lot of deeply unpleasant people in the performing arts... how on earth do we know where to draw the line ? ...

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Brad, you're right. The lowest trills in the Wagenseil are indeed c1-d1. The reason that the fellow at the competiton had so much trouble with them was most likely due to the tuning pitch: if the orchestra was tuned a semitone lower to the today frequently employed baroque pitch at a=415, which I'm...

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Bach5G wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:51 am
“We can also say he was an egomaniacal and tyrannical leader, and one with a particular history of despicable sexism.”

He speaks highly of you.

How edifying...

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And it seems to me that the relevancy of that in determining what instrument was intended or used is quite limited. Then what's the point of performing on historical instruments? Especially if you don't have the curiosity to ask obvious questions about the instrument or the demands of the music? I'...

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One's artistry and one's personality don't necessarily affect one another. Some of the greatest artists were jerks and egotists. Some of the nicest people couldn't draw a straight line using a ruler. If you like the sound he gets, enjoy that. Be thankful you don't have to play for him. This is an e...

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I'm sure lots of nice things can be said about his musical ideas and interpretations. We can also say he was an egomaniacal and tyrannical leader, and one with a particular history of despicable sexism. He's the one who, when Abbie Conant won the principal trombone job, insisted that a woman could n...

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And a different kind of strange : A concert band I used to play in got a summer gig in a small town festival. It was raining and storming like crazy but luckily the gig was in the church, so we stayed dry and all was fine. Except we got to the last piece, big heavy piece, we get out of the slow sect...

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That is a very big problem with the premise of this whole argument. You seem to advance that the only way to properly play trills is by moving the slide between the correct positions for both notes for the entire trill. I don't know a single person who does that; all the best at playing trills I kn...

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Staying in the same position for a trill does not work unless you're much higher on the overtone series. I have often enough seen and heard people play the trill on c (supposedly to d) without moving the slide, and thus doing exactly what I criticize: starting on the main note and trilling a third....

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The thing is, most of those trills are not technically playable on tenor trombone either, by the standard that Howard is applying. One would still have to trill over 2 different positions for most if not all of those examples. For example, is C to D really an "unplayable" trill on alto, yet eminent...

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My first paid gig (I think) was at the grand parade of Montreal's Just for Laughs international comedy festival- the parade that year was emulating the annual mid-night/early-morning parade of the Basel carnaval (nice coincidence since I now live there!), with different boroughs presenting different...

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Fede e Amor - Alex Potter (countertenor), Simen van Mechelen, Catherine Motuz (trombones), Carles Cristobal (bassoon) and Ensemble La Fontaine, Ramée 2013

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Will vary quite widely between arrangers. Also depends if the arranger just ships you raw scores and parts or if they make (or hire someone to make) clean material edited to professional standards (which they really should, although many don't) - that adds a few hundred.

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You can make a trill of a major third sound like a second by slotting the upper note off center, and that is especially true on historical equipment. Also the technique of hitting the upper note using the correct position, moving to the lower note and then continuing the trill with the "wrong" upper...

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There are only two alternatives with tempo. Either strict in tempo or rubato. Rubato will give more time to breath. Strict tempo less time to breath. Mmh, not sure I agree with this statement. You can go in and out of a rubato feel, for instance. Also rubato can happen within beats of groups of bea...

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Just a precision : I never said it's supposed to be fast. The French style sarabande of Bach's time is not a fast dance at all. It is most definitely slow (jumps exist in slow dances, but they stop being possible if it's *too* slow) - look and listen to Bach5G's link, that's really not something I'd...

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There are still some pianos that start with C0 in the bass: The Bösendorfer Model 290 Imperial is the largest model and flagship piano manufactured by Bösendorfer... It has an eight-octave range from C0 to C8. (from Wikipedia) I wouldn't say "still" as that model is one of the only ones that ever h...

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Re : tempo and phrasing It's a Sarabande, which is a dance. The music of a sarabande is always melancholic but the dance is not static and involves quite a lot of motion and advanced dancers will include jumps, which are impossible at the glacially slow tempo we tend to associate with this particula...

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You're transposing up a minor 7th which in terms of keys is the same as down a major second plus up one octave, so it's 2 flats added. To figure out the change in key signature needed for a transposition, draw a circle of perfect fifths, and find how many fifths you need to go around the circle betw...

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Yes and no. The piano keyboard doesn't start on C, but rather on A, so the piano keyboard goes a third below C1 (A0). C0 is not on a usual piano keyboard, and is the lowest C (and arguably lowest note) that is in the range of frequencies audible to human ears (around 16 Hz). That doesn't explain wh...

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I'd use imslp to look for instrumental pieces, the size of the ensemble is labeled in the titles there in the case of Gabrieli - there are a few a10 and maybe two or three a12. The vocal pieces are not as nicely labeled on IMSLP but they are here : http://www1.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Giovanni_Gabrie...

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You don't really need an arrangement, just pick pieces that fit the number of players. Lots of Gabrieli music on IMSLP and CPDL. Trumpet and horn players can usually sight read parts that are in concert pitch, otherwise you can always make transposed parts for them. I would recommend picking at leas...

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So, the nomenclature is based on the piano keyboard. (piano lessons would have been very useful) Yes and no. The piano keyboard doesn't start on C, but rather on A, so the piano keyboard goes a third below C1 (A0). C0 is not on a usual piano keyboard, and is the lowest C (and arguably lowest note) ...

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Alto is a Latszch model Kuhn. Not sure on the specs, feels big. I may drop by the shop again this week- they have a Bach NY bass trumpet, might see how it plays on that. That's the more German-style model isn't it? You might want to try to get your hands on German mouthpieces made particularly for ...

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Lots and lots of old pictures of trumpets and trombones have flares that make them look 200 years later than they actually are. Artists exaggerated defining features of objects to make it obvious what they are picturing, so we always have to be careful about how we interpret bell flares in depiction...

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I had a 10h and converted the slide to wide crook. The sound went from your average 10h/6h sound to something a bit fatter, broader. It was like bouncing the bore up a notch. Plus, it was just way more comfortable to play. I kept the crook material the same (nickel silver). The crook was designed f...

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Yes the problem is when the bell brace is where it would be on a straight horn, the trigger has to be awkwardly far in order to still get enough leverage. I'm a big fan of the Greenhoe thumbrest combined with adjustable trigger. If you set it up right you get all the good ergonomics of having the ho...

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I'll play devil's advocate here. There is no such thing as "the right way" to play any music. Some ways maybe be more effective, convincing, expressive, aligned with an analysis of the piece, etc (or any combination of the above) but there is never one single valid answer.

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Not the same phenomenon but timpani should also be placed as far away as possible from bass instruments as their non-harmonic overtones can interfere with the resonance of those bass instruments and cause them to sound softer.

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The BTB 88 used to be based on the 88H and they describe it as their long-running model based on a classic American design....yet it looks nothing like the old ones, and it looks like a knock-off Yamaha. The whole line just screams generic stencil designs.

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