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In old days (since Pretorious) the tenor was in Bb and the bass in F. Making a Bb/F puts the valve positions in the well-know Bass F places. That's actually incorrect, in the time of Praetorius, tenors were in A (crookable to G) and basses were in a variety of pitches, including G and F, but "true"...

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Why F? Because that's how it's been since the start of trombone attachments. There have been F attachments for almost 175 years. Historical reasons aside, it just works and has very few tradeoffs compared to other tunings. It's closely related enough to Bb while offering nice alternative positions i...

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I've gotten a ton of great deals from eBay and Craigslist. I haven't been let down once yet. From eBay: My first trombone (and first instrument of any kind I bought myself) - a Holton 66 Galaxy for $90 Flugabone - $67 Mellophonium - $100 Frumpet - $110 Cornet - $120 Trumpet (now sold) - $160 C trum...

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So I thought earlier this summer to start this thread but then completely forgot. Buying horns on eBay (and buying blind in general) can lead to disappointment, it can also lead to great surprises. The idea of this thread is to share stories or info about the particularly good (or particularly horri...

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If the charge is legitimate, he will pay. Except that has been proven wrong time and time again. Sexual abuse accusations very rarely lead to prosecution, let alone conviction. Can you back up this ascertain with stats, because I don't think you're correct. I don't know stats from pan-american stud...

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BassBoneFL wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:06 pm
If the charge is legitimate, he will pay.

Except that has been proven wrong time and time again. Sexual abuse accusations very rarely lead to prosecution, let alone conviction.

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harrisonreed wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:51 pm
Thanks, Maximilien! Is Melk IIRC the Melk Abbey?

Sorry that was confusing. Edited.

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Michael Haydn - Concertino for horn, trombone and orchestra is from the Serenade in D major, P87/MH86 (4th and 5th movements / pages 23 to 55 of 91 - and the designation "Concertino" is original). It exists as an autograph score. Location : Music collection, National Széchényi Library, Budapest Cat...

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The slide crook is the same for bass and tenor, like the original Bach crooks. 42s have a .562 slide crook by default.

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I believe the tenorbass name came from the fact that tenors used to be in Bb and basses used to be in F, thus it is a tenorbass. But I could be wrong about why they chose that particular name. Close. The term tenorbass actually predates the F valve on a Bb trombone. Early basses were in all sorts o...

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Even in the 20th century, you still find brass mouthpieces with ivory rims. Olds offered that option, among others.

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Wow, interesting material for a mouthpiece. Where some historical mouthpieces made of cowhorn? How does it sound on the bass trombone? Haven't tried it on trombone yet, and wouldn't use it for that anyway. But sounds great on the ophicleide. Nice compact sound with lots of core and clear articulati...

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Newest addition to my ever-growing cabinet of curiosities...a brand new mouthpiece made from a large piece of cow horn! It's for ophicleide, but could very well be used for bass trombone. Not an exact copy of anything, but based on descriptions and measurements from 19th century treatises and museum...

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In sessions with my new group recording demo materials. Video and promo pictures two days ago, audio yesterday and again today. The line up is one cornetto, one violin (who's playing a gorgeous 1684 Matthias Albani!), one trombone, and harpsichord (or organ when we have access to one). All very good...

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They seem to produce mainly by hand, but including CNC machinery in their workshop and they advertise a rotary valve they have designed, though without specifics of what is different with it. They also seem to produce a lot of tuning slides as aftermarket products for different brands. Their valve ...

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About that finale, Claudio Abbado had the great idea (or perhaps he took it from someone else) of asking his Lucerne festival brass section to cover their bells with loose pieces of cloth for the soft brass chorale in order to sound more distant. We tried it as well when I played that piece and in t...

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I personally think it sounds too heavy with two basses. The only one I would do with two basses is the 6th, because it's actually written that way, as a 3-part section with an added bass in the last movement (although in an ideal world it would actually be a smallish bass on the 3rd part and a contr...

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Yes. If they want large bore, there's no inherent problem in that, especially if they are given to the older/more advanced kids, but there are many large bore horns that are easier to step up to than 42s.

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It's definitely a good idea to write the text and try to articulate like a singer and not an orchestral trombone player. Keep in mind that trombone players were very used to doubling choirs back then and in many cases probably didn't have dedicated trombone parts but actually read from a (texted) vo...

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I got my own 42 (BO at the time) in grade 10. Nothing too bad happened to it. Of course I was serious about studying music and careful and it was my own instrument, so it might be very different when it's school-owned instruments that are handled by kids who don't care. Although in my school there w...

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Regarding the upside-down saxophone mouthpiece : I saw the "Carabinieri" Band [Policeman's Band] from Rome, Italy way back in the 60's and most of their single reed players had their mouthpieces positioned "Upside-Down" ! Was it a normal Italian method ? Chalumeau and early clarinets were played wi...

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This Romantic French trombone ... What a stunning instrument. I can see why you were interested! Do you know anything about it? Year built/used; size of bore, bell, etc.; where/how it was used (orchestra, opera, chamber, ...)? The bell is inscribed "E De Tarade", which lead me to think it was built...

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This Romantic French trombone, which I only spotted a few days after it sold (for probably quite a bit above its actual value). If anyone knows the person who bought it........ https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e40c2d_a5e3fe1d31f74d74918cc4be39067c2d~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_980,h_268,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0...

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People think it's the mouthpiece that makes it sound wrong but I think it's 95% how you play it - same with sackbut in my opinion. If you try to play any smaller instrument the way you play a larger instrument, it will sound wrong and bad. Play it as what it is and it will be fine. And the alto int...

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Not a yellow slide, but I have a nickel LW slide on my 42, and I had the crook changed to a M/K bronze crook a while back. It felt like a big difference at first but 1) I don't know how much of it was a)because the change of alloy or b)because my original crook was dented in a few places or c)becaus...

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You can find two different manuscript solo parts reproduced in Jason L. OLIVER, The Creation of a Performance Edition of the Georg Christoph Wagenseil Concerto for Trombone [...], University of North Texas (DMA), 2010 . The manuscript of the orchestral parts are not available online as far as I know...

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Also, have fun with the high Gb!

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Nobody will have a PDF of that, as it's rental material only. If they did, it would most definitely be illegal to distribute. I highly doubt there will be a transposed part, unless Schott has finally gotten around to typesetting it and making an actual edition (and if they haven't, it's outright out...

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A few years back I was attending a one-month conducting workshop. The festival orchestra was all grad students and young professionals of very high level and sounded great on top of being a joy to work with. Somehow, they omitted inviting a second tenor trombone player and ended up asking me to step...

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I hear a lot of negative stuff about mouthpiece buzzing. But then I remember a couple of masterclasses and some conversations with Jorgen van Rijen, where he was very strongly advocating mouthpiece buzzing. He is able to buzz anything in his repertoire at speed and with articulations, and he gives a...

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I'm inclined to focus on the "purportedly" part of that. But there does seem to be a market for such things. It's just fascinating (to me) that no one seems to have done any objective studies about these things -- like, say, the double blind studies a few years ago that demonstrated the inability o...

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Yeah doesn't look like a spoof and it's actually a bit scary. At several points I was getting frightened it would end up revealing itself as a suicide note at the end.

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Yikes!

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Maybe my phrasing is incorrect, but would you not consider someone who wins a competitive audition successful? Yes, but my point is that it is not the only barometer of success and it's entirely possible to be successful without winning an audition. Also that successfully winning an audition does n...

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Should that read 'all the players in major American symphonies and where in America they studied ' ? Chris Hey I wasn't just talking about americans. I would love to see where anyone went. I think its a great resource for people looking at schools across the world and its success rate at turning ou...

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Sitting at my computer the last couple days preparing the handouts for a class I'm teaching next week about improvising Renaissance polyphony. Ophicleide is in the shop to be adjusted. Need to practice more sackbut!

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I think this is an interesting idea and I'd love to try it sometime. That being said, here are a few thoughts. Mostly playing Devil's advocate here. Im sure im turning someones world upside down with this idea, but im slowly starting to realize bass trombones are a long list of compromises, and noth...

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You might want to ask Tim Dowling if he's got any cue to give about mouthpieces. He tracks down, studies, collects and performs on romantic German trombones. I don't know if he made his way to this site, we was active on the old forum.

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chromebone wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:11 pm
If you want to hear the definitive 6H sound, just listen to Frank Rosolino.

And I was there, naively thinking it was just the definitive Frank Rosolino sound....

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The bell on my early 90s 42 has always rung very strongly on that Bb

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I had cramping problems when I started playing a lot of bass in the run-up to my undergrad recital, and the school bass was one of the older and ridiculously heavy Courtois 500 with dual Hagmanns, metal plate tuning slide resonator/counterweight and heavy gage, detachable bell. I found that using bo...

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I played selections from another Mahler Lieder cycle (Lieder eines Fahrenden Gesellen) in my undergraduate final recital, it was very successful with both the audience and the jury. I had made a reduction for strings and 1-2 wind per section. His Lieder are beautiful music and if it particularly spe...

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Best is a printer that can handle Tabloid Plus (12x18), as it allows you to print 9x12 booklets, which is a standard size for parts and medium sized scores.

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Well I would assume the "correct" instrument is the C tuba, because that's the instrument that was used in French orchestras in Ravel time as far as I understand, and it means the whole Pictures part can be played on the same horn. I suspect that in the end we don't really disagree here at all - or...

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Well I would assume the "correct" instrument is the C tuba, because that's the instrument that was used in French orchestras in Ravel time as far as I understand, and it means the whole Pictures part can be played on the same horn. I don't think it is reasonable to expect that all orchestral tubists...

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Really depends what you want to do... But the horn I regret selling the most : Conn 6H. .500", 8" bell, silver plated. I only ever used it for big band, and it was absolutely great for that. Worked for lead, also 2nd or even 3rd provided the bass trombonist wasn't playing on a monster. Figured I wou...

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Apropos the various distinctions above and remarks about tubas and tuba-like things ... Euphoniums are the "baritone voice" in the tuba family, which otherwise consists of bass (F, Eb) contra-bass (CC, BBb), and sub-contra-bass (whatever; there aren't a lot of these lying around) tubas. Plus, of co...

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:clever: I thought this emoji stood for pedantic, not clever. Saying a vowel's name is a multi-movement process that has the tongue (and various sections of the tongue really)gliding through many positions until, when the sound is complete, everything returns to a neutral position. Instructions to ...

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Germany had mostly slide trombones as far as I know, but there were several decades after the invention of the valve where the valve trombone was the standard in much of Austria and Bohemia. The Vienna Court Opera (now State Opera) had valve trombones starting in the 1830's, and when they eventually...

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Interestingly, it is relatively frequent to hear Italian opera on valve trombones (not widespread but still, occasionally), but how often do we hear them on Bruckner? I think it's telling about how we still perceive valve trombones that orchestral players will use them for stuff that is seen as "lig...

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