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From what I heard from several friends and colleagues over the years who have studied there, IU is a really good school with strong faculty and studios at all instruments, and tons of ensembles. Plenty of opportunities to learn valuable and diverse skills if you so choose. Jazz department seems stro...

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After being asked I see I forgot an important information:
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As suggested in the recent sackbut thread, I will host an online Q&A session on all things sackbut and early repertoire. Target audience is anyone of any level that has an interest or questions about the trombone before 1800 or so, whether you play or want to play sackbut and want to know more about...

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It's interesting that Beethoven didn't write any more Fs after the 5th symphony. the 6th only goes to D, and the 9th avoids D altogether, opting to have the trumpet play the D that starts the fugue and having the first trombone enter in the next bar. Makes me wonder if he had a bad experience with ...

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Which makes me wonder whether trombone players 200 years ago were much better than us, or did Beethoven just hate them? Remember that composers of Beethoven's era were writing based on the Eb Alto / Bb Tenor / F or Eb Bass model. Players of the time could play the range of an Eb alto trombone on a ...

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Beethoven's 5th has an F that is often remarked on. Labeled as "alto" but often played on tenor. 5th.jpg Which makes me wonder whether trombone players 200 years ago were much better than us, or did Beethoven just hate them? I think Beethoven didn't care much if his performers hated him for the stu...

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Beethoven 5 indeed has a high F. If I recall correctly Glück's Alceste also has one, but it's been a while since I saw that part so I could be wrong. Both were written in Vienna where the alto vs tenor situation is not clear (there's still fairly heated scholarly debate as to what size instrument wa...

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Hi everyone, this is my first post here I'm also new to the trombone, i've been playing for about a month now (after playing euphonium for all of high-school) and its been a thrill! I was just wondering about what would the highest note in the symphonic repertoire be for the tenor trombone? The hig...

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I use a Yamaha small bore trombone snake and haven't had problems. Avoid the Slide-o-mix snake that you attach a cloth to, I have colleagues who've gotten that broken in the slide bow and the cloth stuck.

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There's also a seldom acknowledged flip-side to the idea that "making it" must mean winning a full-time job: it's not the majority of course, but there are still many orchestral musicians who are not happy in their job and do not feel artistically fulfilled, but can do little about it because the jo...

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I'll add one thing to my comment above. I would advise to 1) study in a big enough market that you can make professional contacts during your studies and have opportunities, 2) not study in a city/region where you know in advance staying and trying to establish your career there won't be an option. ...

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I'm returning to modern trombone seriously for the first time in years: Sachse concerto (bass version) and bass excerpts. Feeling a little bit sorry for you ;) I was so happy to never play Sachse again when I decided I would not pursue an orchestral career anymore. Good luck with whatever you are a...

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Lessons, yes, a good sackbut teacher, yes. I would add group playing with a good HIP MD, if you can. For me, a few iterations of the Newark (Nottinghamshire!) Early Music Course were invaluable: over a long weekend Adam Woolf & Jamie Savan guided us towards an ensemble sound & phrasing, with many i...

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There is a pretty important question that hasn't been asked yet and that somewhat changes the answer to your inquiry: Where do you live/where would you want to make your career? Most of the perspective above are from people based in the US, where tuition is the highest and opportunities to play as ...

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There is a pretty important question that hasn't been asked yet and that somewhat changes the answer to your inquiry: Where do you live/where would you want to make your career? Most of the perspective above are from people based in the US, where tuition is the highest and opportunities to play as a...

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Can some of us just audit? I think I have zero chance of actually playing sackbut, but I'm interested in how it's done. I was thinking it would be for anyone who has questions (or answers to provide) and is interested in knowing and sharing, not only people who play. A lot of that knowledge is rele...

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Arthurtwoshedsjackson wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:42 am
Liza Malamut is also a good resource. Check out their web site for publications, including their dissertation (there is a link to download). Knows their stuff.

http://www.lizamalamut.com/

Yes, Liza is fantastic!

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Following this thread and some questions I get by PM, I was thinking we could have a Questions and Answers session on Zoom where those who are interested could ask any question they have about the instrument itself, its history, how it's different than a modern trombone or played differently, techni...

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I'm not sure I agree with the premise. In terms of their most impactful aspects, the designs of the major types of trombone in use today are not that far from being 100 years old already. The main trend of the last 70 years or so has been standardisation much more than evolution. The largest bore in...

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My impressions were that flexibility was insane, my corners were forced to always stay more active which helped with consistency and endurance, and the feeling of size was almost completely obscured. Because of the much smaller and lighter contact on the sides. My Wedge 6.5AL felt at the same time m...

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I'm returning to modern trombone seriously for the first time in years: Sachse concerto (bass version) and bass excerpts. Otherwise: Bunch of 15th century music I need to learn for a concert on slide trumpet in a month. Much of my practice these days is without a stand proper (improv and playing by ...

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I saw something on facebook the other day about how there is a trend of moving away from the standards and playing more non trombone music. Is this really something that's new and do you think all the new pieces of music for trombone will offset this phenomena? I'd love to hear thoughts on this A l...

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Today we look to wood to replace concrete and steel in our buildings, because it is strong, easy to work with, and it has a much lower carbon footprint. But why stop there? Wood deforms much easier than steel. A good friend and colleague of mine is also an instrument maker. I think he does or did u...

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What about a hagman conversion? Don't hear about a lot of people doing that. It's cheaper to get a horn that is equipped with an Hagmann in the first place, but if you have a really solid used 42 that you like, chances are a Hagmann conversion is a good idea. They arent that uncommon really. Hagman...

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Fun fact, on a Hagmann valve the cap is not screwed but pressed, and the seal of the cap is made by an O ring. When the ring gets old and needs changing, it can happen that you push the tuning slide in and forget to press the valve, and the cap will pop flying off your horn

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I have a Monke which I think is just an "almost" sacbut. It came with several mouthpieces. Is your instrument a Christopher Monke or Josef Monke? The latter are German-made, and from what I've see more in the "posaunenchor" peashooter style, with sackbut-ish dimensions but modern trombone construct...

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One of the major differences in playing is the approach to articulations. Historical mouthpieces are much more responsive to a more subtle palette of articulations, for starters. And what was considered good tonguing is fairly well documented. As a general rule, nothing is ever slurred, and any note...

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Hello! In terms of embouchure, there are differences but how much you have to think about them will vary a lot from one player to the next. A lot of it is forced by the very different mouthpiece and horn construction, and on the very different sound and musical concepts. The music we play on sackbut...

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This might be a stupid question but since Vincent Bach was Austrian, Do bachs have charecteristics that are rwminscemt of those found in german or austrian style trombones? I wouldn't really say so. When Vincent Bach started making instruments, it was in the US and the American style was already we...

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I'm not sure there will ever be a return to pre-covid normal, but I also don't think this means things won't get better. The economy will be impacted for years, which will necessitate changes in the way funding is approached, flying will probably be very different (right now it's logistically almost...

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slipmo wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:31 pm
Here's my kruspe alto (one of my favorites in my collection). Note the original "kruspe water key"

Wow this gives a new meaning to the term "one-piece bell"!

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Speaking just from my own experience, I find large throats more tiring to play because I have to work so much harder to keep the pitch from going flat in the upper register. I’m pretty sure I remember Doug Elliott saying that everything on a mouthpiece affects everything else on the mouthpiece. I d...

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ok, also one step below an Eb alto. Genau! I seem to recall that he initially was trying to make a short bass in Eb and accidentally made it in Db instead. There's a very long thread from 2-3 years ago about the development of this instrument (if you can survive reading it...it got pretty heated an...

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Nice plating

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How much of the "plastic mouthpieces don't make sound" statement is just the difference in feedback? Depends what you mean. They often feel like you need to push a bit more to get the same loudness but I think you're right that most of the difference is just a perception from behind the bell. You c...

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I really liked the feel of delrin on the lips, but it is just much too light and made my tone completely dead and way too dark. Adding mass to it made a huge difference. Likewise with wood and cow/ox horn. Very nice feel on the lips. Mine are for period instruments and work really well in that conte...

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There's quite a bit of jazz being played in France, and French people certainly like their national brands in general! Courtois has certainly done a great job with the 402 and I hear good comments about the 430 as well. Do the French still think of Courtois as French when the production is in Germa...

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Thanks for this nice test report, hyperbolica. Most interesting points for me: 1. So far I thought, Courtois is more or less for classical music only. Now, I have something looking foreward to play testing. 2. I think of getting a Shires MD+ .... and you just report about it being nearly your favou...

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What is your usual practice regimen like?
Did you play more than usual on one or several days recently, and how much more?
Did you play less over the holidays than usual?

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That seems like a much too subjective question to answer. The effect it will have on your sound and the feel you perceive will be different than it would have for someone else. 0.1 mm is a pretty substantial difference. Depending on how wide it is to start with, it might me enough to mess up the tun...

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Leopold Mozart's Concerto is really quite good as far as trombone music goes. In my opinion, it can be convincingly performed on a tenor just as well as an alto. Other than that, I'm scratching my head trying to remember pieces written for trombone in the classical period. Even calling Ferdinand Da...

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Burgerbob wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:00 pm
Sounds to me like trombones can wear out in 10 years, then...

I don't think anyone here has disputed that they CAN wear out in 10 years.

What is contested is the idea that they WILL wear out in 10 years.

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This has sparked an interesting argument. I too think it's highly player-specific. I definitely know people who need to change instruments quite frequently. My former sackbut teachers has to get a new instruments indeed every 10 years or less, he gets holes on his outer slides or near the tenon. On ...

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I was just about to write my guess is it's German — the turnings on the ferrules and sleeves and braces are something I'd expect there. Interesting brace placement! The string connecting to the spit key can be of course be used for ease of emptying, but I know sever players who have that, all becaus...

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Got "Elite" status with an airline for the first time, thanks to KLM doubling miles earned on flights since last spring because of the pandemic! Sadly I doubt I'll fly enough in 2021 to keep it for when travel really resumes...

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Re: orchestras outside Germany playing the same brand when they play German trombones: yes but the reason for them being the same brand is not so much a concern with having the same brand for the same sound and more because if you say "hey let's buy a set of German trombones", you're unlikely to go ...

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There is also a set of 12 Fantasies for bassoon by Telemann, edited for trombone. I presume he wrote them on the same afternoon as his flute fantasies. I've noodled through them all, some lie well for bass trombone, but none have the musical interest of the Bach cello suites. There's about one good...

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Can I dare to venture that the sustained sounds are not so different and it's the articulation that differs with style. I've seen an article which claims the articulation is also the only difference between trumpet and clarinet. If true, probably fair to say it holds for jazz bass bone vs classical...

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Cool to see another alternative for sourcing cases with the Cronkhite designs! These look well made and with a few improvements over the original designs too. Pricing looks equivalent to the Torpedo-owned Cronkhite brand (which has pretty horrible reputation for customer service). Nice! I was lucky ...

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Can we still do antiphonal Gabrieli concerts? Giovanni Gabrieli's dates fall within the second wave of Yersinia pestis. I wonder if there's a valid comparison to be made between anti-plague measures and contemporary Covid lockdowns, and the impacts on social and economic life. It could be a Phd sub...

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